More Arabs selling their soul to Zionists

[Crocodile Bani]

Long time readers of these forums would know how anti-Zionist I am. Zionism is racism and apartheid and I am opposed to it wherever it happens and who ever is subject to it.

In more recent times (before the hibernation of this website), I would even claim that Muslim Zionists exist, only to be made fun of by various people on these forums.

Well in recent weeks, Israel has signed "normalisation agreements" with UAE and Bahrain with Oman expected to follow soon with the biggest scalp, Saudi Arabia still holding out but will follow soon with the corrupt MBS calling the shots. Israel has been in bed with these Muslim Zionist nations but their relationship has not been so open and public, though any half educated person knew of this.

It is a black day for humanity when governments put money and power above their people's interests. Unlike Jordan and Egypt who sold their soul years ago fr US foreign aid, these nations don't need money. Their rulers are corrupt and despicable.

 

[SonOfAssyria]

Long time readers of these forums would know how anti-Zionist I am. Zionism is racism and apartheid and I am opposed to it wherever it happens and who ever is subject to it.

In more recent times (before the hibernation of this website), I would even claim that Muslim Zionists exist, only to be made fun of by various people on these forums.

Well in recent weeks, Israel has signed "normalisation agreements" with UAE and Bahrain with Oman expected to follow soon with the biggest scalp, Saudi Arabia still holding out but will follow soon with the corrupt MBS calling the shots. Israel has been in bed with these Muslim Zionist nations but their relationship has not been so open and public, though any half educated person knew of this.

It is a black day for humanity when governments put money and power above their people's interests. Unlike Jordan and Egypt who sold their soul years ago fr US foreign aid, these nations don't need money. Their rulers are corrupt and despicable.

How would you define Zionism?

 

[Crocodile Bani]

How would you define Zionism?

Nothing defines Zionism better than the flag of Israel.

The belief that everyone living between the Nile River and Euphrates river must be Jewish.

Pretty much what the Middle East would look like if the Zionists have their way. For Zionists to have their way, ethnic cleansing and genocide needs to take place. That has been happening without sanction since 1948. Even though they created a country, it was never enough and they keep trying to take more and more. The West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights do not belong to them but they will not give those lands back to ther rightful owners. Then of course, you have "Christian" Zionists who believe that everyone in that area, Christian and Muslim should make way for the Jews of the World to live there so they can have a mass conversion to Christianity. It doesn't bother them that Zionists need to murder and rape Christians out of their ancestral homelands to make this a reality. They are actually worse than Jewish Zionists.

 

[SonOfAssyria]

Nothing defines Zionism better than the flag of Israel.

The belief that everyone living between the Nile River and Euphrates river must be Jewish.

Pretty much what the Middle East would look like if the Zionists have their way. For Zionists to have their way, ethnic cleansing and genocide needs to take place. That has been happening without sanction since 1948. Even though they created a country, it was never enough and they keep trying to take more and more. The West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights do not belong to them but they will not give those lands back to ther rightful owners. Then of course, you have "Christian" Zionists who believe that everyone in that area, Christian and Muslim should make way for the Jews of the World to live there so they can have a mass conversion to Christianity. It doesn't bother them that Zionists need to murder and rape Christians out of their ancestral homelands to make this a reality. They are actually worse than Jewish Zionists.

With all due respect, you didn't answer my question. It takes only a single sentence to answer it

 

[Etain]

the Gulf states being corrupt is nothing new. I have to say I was shocked to see them actually normalize relations. I am unsure why exactly they did it tbh

 

[ASHOOR]

I think it is more economic than anything else. They could care less about Palestinians (القضية الفلسطينية) . Arabs have been helping Palestinians for decades and don’t see anything happen, so they got tired and are now putting their own self interest first.

 

[Crocodile Bani]

With all due respect, you didn't answer my question. It takes only a single sentence to answer it

If the maps don't explain it, my second sentence should. i.e. The belief that everyone living between the Nile River and Euphrates river must be Jewish.
Jews who don't believe in this racist ideology are referred to as self hating Jews (Norman Finklestein and Noam Chomsky spring to mind who are opposed to the Zionist state). These types are silenced all the time, making a non-biased debate impossible to have.

 

[Crocodile Bani]

the Gulf states being corrupt is nothing new. I have to say I was shocked to see them actually normalize relations. I am unsure why exactly they did it tbh

Too true about the corruption but nothing too shocking about the latest developments. Israel has been in bed with Bahrain, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Oman for a number of decades but never open about it. Not so much the people of those countries but their rulers who couldn't give a toss about their people. These "rulers" will sell their own mothers if it meant money was being made. They have zero class or dignity.

All that has happened is make things more official between Bahrain, UAE and Israel. Saudi Arabia and Oman will be next (not necessarily in that order). The countries who support ISIS have sold their soul. God help the people of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran.

 

[SonOfAssyria]

If the maps don't explain it, my second sentence should. i.e. The belief that everyone living between the Nile River and Euphrates river must be Jewish.
Jews who don't believe in this racist ideology are referred to as self hating Jews (Norman Finklestein and Noam Chomsky spring to mind who are opposed to the Zionist state). These types are silenced all the time, making a non-biased debate impossible to have.

That's not what Zionism is.

"Zionism is both an ideology and nationalist movement among the Jewish people that espouses the re-establishment of and support for a Jewish state in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel."

What part of this says that everyone living between the Euphrates and Nile River must be Jewish? I don't understand why Assyrians are so opposed to the Jews returning to their own homeland and yet advocate for an Assyrian homeland. Let's not be hypocrites here. If the Assyrians deserve their own state in their ancestral homeland, then so do the Jews.

 

[Crocodile Bani]

That's not what Zionism is.

"Zionism is both an ideology and nationalist movement among the Jewish people that espouses the re-establishment of and support for a Jewish state in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel."

What part of this says that everyone living between the Euphrates and Nile River must be Jewish? I don't understand why Assyrians are so opposed to the Jews returning to their own homeland and yet advocate for an Assyrian homeland. Let's not be hypocrites here. If the Assyrians deserve their own state in their ancestral homeland, then so do the Jews.

If my grandparents as Assyrian Christians decided to convert to Mayanism and I myself decide to be an athesit, does that give me the right to go to Guatamala and kick people who have lived there for generations simply because I am Mayan and they are Roman Catholic? Ridiculous scenario surely! That is what has been happening since World War 1 to the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine (and lets not forget the number of Mizrahim Jews that get shot by Israeli police simply for looking like Arabs). Getting kicked out of their homes by people with zero Judean blood but whose ancestors from Khazaria converted to Judaism, but themselves are atheists.

Do not confuse these imposter Ashkenazi "Jews" for Judeans. Descendants of the ancient Judeans have always lived in Palestine alongside Christians and Muslims. These Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovan athiests have zero legal, moral, religious nor historical right to bulldoze the homes of native Christian and Muslim people. They don't believe in God but love to shout that God is a real estate agent.

Second point, you have dressed up your own version of Zionism like it is a Jewish thing when real Jews themselves are opposed to this racist ideology. Research Zionism. Zionism is not Judaism. Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a political ideology similar to Nazism. The 2 blue stripes on the Israeli flag represent the Nile and Euphrates rivers. The maps above is of the Eretz Israel project. There will certainly be no room for Assyrians once the Zionists get their way. the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE will have fled their homelands and gone elsewhere to give up their people to the genocidal Zionists.

 

[Etain]

That's not what Zionism is.

"Zionism is both an ideology and nationalist movement among the Jewish people that espouses the re-establishment of and support for a Jewish state in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel."

What part of this says that everyone living between the Euphrates and Nile River must be Jewish? I don't understand why Assyrians are so opposed to the Jews returning to their own homeland and yet advocate for an Assyrian homeland. Let's not be hypocrites here. If the Assyrians deserve their own state in their ancestral homeland, then so do the Jews.

the dictionary definition of zionism is not the same as what it's ended up being in reality.

the americans basically did the bidding of israel in 2003 and we can see how absolutely devastating that was to assyrians in iraq. then in syria a decade later.

 

[Cascade]

Nothing defines Zionism better than the flag of Israel.

The belief that everyone living between the Nile River and Euphrates river must be Jewish.

Pretty much what the Middle East would look like if the Zionists have their way. For Zionists to have their way, ethnic cleansing and genocide needs to take place. That has been happening without sanction since 1948. Even though they created a country, it was never enough and they keep trying to take more and more. The West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights do not belong to them but they will not give those lands back to ther rightful owners. Then of course, you have "Christian" Zionists who believe that everyone in that area, Christian and Muslim should make way for the Jews of the World to live there so they can have a mass conversion to Christianity. It doesn't bother them that Zionists need to murder and rape Christians out of their ancestral homelands to make this a reality. They are actually worse than Jewish Zionists.

Sorry, I know this is an old post (though not that old for AVN standards). But I gotta take this hogwash on. Only because SonofAssyria's reasonable post was deleted, and it was disheartening to see two antizionists here just dominating this thread (Etain is not an Assyrian btw, but some Syrian-white American mix). Anyway...

Number one, all that land these radical Zionists claim (besides Israel) has already been claimed by Arabs (and earlier Ottomans, who did rape and kill us). So there's that. The Greater Israel annexation hasn't happened (and never will). Where's your outcry on the Arab invasion taking over (which did happen)?

Some aspirational vision held by far-right Zionists shouldn't be such a major threat. This post reminds me of hardcore anti-Christian atheists who lambaste Christianity as the "biggest threat to mankind" because "when Jesus return he'll take over the world and burn nonbelievers alive" - Not knowing that this narrative is a fiction (to them at least) - Same way this fantasy of the greater Zionism is fictitious and will never come to be.

Btw, our own Assyrians (even I included) routinely boast about this ancient Assyrian empire map, and a few our fervent nationalists do hope that Assyria should look like this today (should they be despised and scolded too?):

But let's get behind the context of your post: This idea of "Greater Israel" stems from King David's empire in the bible. It did sprawl towards Syria, Jordan and Mesopotamia:

The "Euphrates" one is the "Royal Grant" given to Abraham (this prophetic land vision is in the book that you Jews & Christians hold dear - Genesis 15:18–21):

My opinion? That land today is already taken by corrupted or poor Arab countries with bad record of human rights (Syria, Iraq, Saudi). So this area isn't a haven for peace and unity with people singing kumbaya. If Jews claimed it from Genesis times, I really wouldn't give a crap. Just as long as they did not bomb us or try to steal our lands - And I doubt that they'd do that, because we Assyrians don't spawn terrorists and as Christians we probably would have been allies with Israel and Armenia to the north.

Yeni you're making it seem like Greater Israel is taking over Swedish-like, prosperous, miskeeneh peaceful nations in the Middle East. Modern Assyrians would've probably suffered less if Jews expanded and pushed out Arab conquests. But I digress.

 

[Crocodile Bani]

Number one, all that land these radical Zionists claim (besides Israel) have already been claimed by Arabs (and earlier Ottomans, who did rape and kill us). So there's that. The Greater Israel annexation hasn't happened (and never will). Where's your outcry on the Arab invasion taking over (which did happen)?

* Does this include the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza? Or do you conveniently pretend these regions do not exist?
** It is happening already. UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco have already sold their nation's soul to the Zionists. Before China came up with a peace deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia, The Saudis had always said that they will allow Israeli fighter jets to fly through their airspace if it was to bomb Iran. Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Yemen are the only Middle Eastern nations with a soul and will protect themselves from these Zionists taking over their lands. If you include MENA nations, then Algeria should also be included on the list of nations who still have a soul.

 

[Cascade]

* Does this include the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza? Or do you conveniently pretend these regions do not exist?
** It is happening already. UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco have already sold their nation's soul to the Zionists. Before China came up with a peace deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia, The Saudis had always said that they will allow Israeli fighter jets to fly through their airspace if it was to bomb Iran. Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Yemen are the only Middle Eastern nations with a soul and will protect themselves from these Zionists taking over their lands. If you include MENA nations, then Algeria should also be included on the list of nations who still have a soul.

We were speaking about Greater Israel, the vision where it annexes Jordan, Syria and western Iraq. This hasn't happened and never will.

Israel just took "spots" in the area. Although they blockaded Gaza (as did Egypt), it isn't occupied by Israel and we both know this (Israel left Gaza in 2006). Personally, I'd give Gaza to Egyptians - Many Gazans have Egyptian ancestry too. But, cough cough, Egyptians are scared of the Hamas.

As for Golan Heights, it is another region that was gangbanged (excuse my French) by many empires and nations in the past - Assyrians, Romans, Arameans, Arabs, Ottomans, and now Syria owns a third of it. Many people there are probably a mishmash of these empires' (khweeteh o khorbesheh). You'll be unfair to say that Syria has a right to it. Both Israel and Syria equally don't.

Most Arab nations are annexations and invading conquests, not much different than Israel. Where was Jordan in the ancient era? It was Aram, the Arameans. Even Jordan spawned in the 1940s. "Syria" was actually a corrupted spelling of "Assyria" (Romans were dumb and confused the two), and now, voila, Syria became its own country simply after Roman's not understanding Semitic names. Many Syrians are of Assyrian, Phoenician and Aramean descent, in addition to their prominent Arabian ancestry. These people are as mixed as Israelis, really.

Oh and Iraq? Our beloved Iraq. Came into being in 1932 and also annexed lands. Your lands. As did the Kurds later when they repopulated the north (so that's why I find it hypocritical when Assyrians only focus their hatred towards Kurds and not Iraqi Arabs). Humanity will always take land, and most people get over it. It's the sad reality of the world, but we should accept it.

Palestinian was never an ethnicity as well. Again, historically, Palestine is another Roman renaming/corruption, which was based on "Philistines", a Greek sea people invaders that took over the Levant and fought Israelites. Philistines is from Hebrew Peleshet, which means invader, related to Assyrian "palasha" (fighters). Palestinian Arabs are also very mixed - And I stated all this before. Only Assyrians have true, virtually pure historical ties to the lands there (well, our lands). Not our MENA mutt brethren, and Jews/Israelis included who are 50% half European.

P.S. Iran, Syria and Yemen have horrific governments. That's why many people want to escape these countries. Lebanon is also failing government-wise. And do I need to start with Iraq? Oh, you missed Armenia. It's somewhat MENA, and it's an ally with Israel. What are your thoughts on that? But can I tell you something? If Assyria becomes a nation, I'm sure we'll be Israeli allies too. Strategy is key.

 

[Crocodile Bani]

We were speaking about Greater Israel, the vision where it annexes Jordan, Syria and western Iraq. This hasn't happened and never will.

Israel just took "spots" in the area. Although they blockaded Gaza (as did Egypt), it isn't occupied by Israel and we both know this (Israel left Gaza in 2006). Personally, I'd give Gaza to Egyptians - Many Gazans have Egyptian ancestry too. But, cough cough, Egyptians are scared of the Hamas.

As for Golan Heights, it is another region that was gangbanged (excuse my French) by many empires and nations in the past - Assyrians, Romans, Arameans, Arabs, Ottomans, and now Syria owns a third of it. Many people there are probably a mishmash of these empires' (khweeteh o khorbesheh). You'll be unfair to say that Syria has a right to it. Both Israel and Syria equally don't.

Most Arab nations are annexations and invading conquests, not much different than Israel. Where was Jordan in the ancient era? It was Aram, the Arameans. Even Jordan spawned in the 1940s. "Syria" was actually a corrupted spelling of "Assyria" (Romans were dumb and confused the two), and now, voila, Syria became its own country simply after Roman's not understanding Semitic names. Many Syrians are of Assyrian, Phoenician and Aramean descent, in addition to their prominent Arabian ancestry. These people are as mixed as Israelis, really.

Oh and Iraq? Our beloved Iraq. Came into being in 1932 and also annexed lands. Your lands. As did the Kurds later when they repopulated the north (so that's why I find it hypocritical when Assyrians only focus their hatred towards Kurds and not Iraqi Arabs). Humanity will always take land, and most people get over it. It's the sad reality of the world, but we should accept it.

Palestinian was never an ethnicity as well. Again, historically, Palestine is another Roman renaming/corruption, which was based on "Philistines", a Greek sea people invaders that took over the Levant and fought Israelites. Philistines is from Hebrew Peleshet, which means invader, related to Assyrian "palasha" (fighters). Palestinian Arabs are also very mixed - And I stated all this before. Only Assyrians have true, virtually pure historical ties to the lands there (well, our lands). Not our MENA mutt brethren, and Jews/Israelis included who are 50% half European.

P.S. Iran, Syria and Yemen have horrific governments. That's why many people want to escape these countries. Lebanon is also failing government-wise. And do I need to start with Iraq? Oh, you missed Armenia. It's somewhat MENA, and it's an ally with Israel. What are your thoughts on that? But can I tell you something? If Assyria becomes a nation, I'm sure we'll be Israeli allies too. Strategy is key.

If that ever happens, I will be an Assyrian equivalent of a non-Zionist Jew. I am against any ethnic cleansing, even if it leads to Assyrian statehood.

 

[Cascade]

If that ever happens, I will be an Assyrian equivalent of a non-Zionist Jew. I am against any ethnic cleansing, even if it leads to Assyrian statehood.

Haven't Iraq, Yemen, Iran and Syria (the countries with "souls" as you put them) ethnically cleansed people too? I just don't see how Israel is the special one here. Besides, Israel ethnically cleansed people in response to the worst terrorist attack in their soil.

Anyway my point is most MENA countries have very bloody histories, recent histories too - How many Syrians has Assad killed? And Saddam Hussein with Iraqis?

Is this because it involves Judaism/Jews? Btw, you can totally scorn Judaism, but be very pro-Jewish/Israel -- I think Judaism (the Torah) has some deplorable, nasty content with abominably sick laws that I scoff at (as any liberal "wokie" would). But this doesn't mean I should hate Jews. Oh, btw, roughly 90% of Jews support Israel. The idea that "most Jews are antizionist" is a sham fabricated by leftists and these pro-Palestine "Jewish-friendly" Muslims.

 

[Crocodile Bani]

I just don't see how Israel is the special one here. Besides, Israel ethnically cleansed people in response to the worst terrorist attack in their soil.

Their nation only exists due to their ethnic cleansing. The level of ethnic cleansing that Israel has carried out since the 1940s has never ever been seen at this scale in modern history. And since the UN was put in place to stop this, it shows that the UN is merely an extension of the Israeli government. The UN had no problem dealing with Milosevic of Serbia/Yugoslavia. They had no problem dealing with with the Rwanda genocide in the mid 90s. They had no problem dealing with apartheid South Africa. Heck, Saddam broke 2 UN resolutions and look at what they did to the whole of Iraq. But Israel is left alone because the UN is there only to serve Israel, hence the rules are always different for Israel.

 

[Cascade]

Their nation only exists due to their ethnic cleansing. The level of ethnic cleansing that Israel has carried out since the 1940s has never ever been seen at this scale in modern history. And since the UN was put in place to stop this, it shows that the UN is merely an extension of the Israeli government. The UN had no problem dealing with Milosevic of Serbia/Yugoslavia. They had no problem dealing with with the Rwanda genocide in the mid 90s. They had no problem dealing with apartheid South Africa. Heck, Saddam broke 2 UN resolutions and look at what they did to the whole of Iraq. But Israel is left alone because the UN is there only to serve Israel, hence the rules are always different for Israel.

In all fairness, some folks in the UN have called out Israel for its war crimes and "genocide". What more do you want?

 

[Crocodile Bani]

In all fairness, some folks in the UN have called out Israel for its war crimes and "genocide". What more do you want?

They sanctioned Iraq and when that wasn't enough, they killed him and plundered Iraq.

Where is the action against Israel? Never in the history of the UN have they acted against Israel. The whole UN is there only to serve and protect Israel.

Your hasbarist nonsense is getting old. Some folks calling out Israel is not action against Israel. 34,000 killed in the genocide now. What is the magic number before the UN actually does something?

And people wonder why I despise Biden and why I would take a bullet to the heart for Mar Putin!