You are waving the flag of our killers... why?

Alex, what I'm saying is that the catastrophe itself is what brought the masses. If anything, it was mourning for the Christians that died while they were inside of a Church.

My point is this - each group didn't show up because they heard Assyrians died, which I keep reading. This is nonsense. It wasn't an 'Assyrian' cause and as much as I'd like it to be, whoever thinks that is lying to themselves.

If you want me to break it down for you: the Chaldeans probably showed up because they were Catholic Christians, the Assyrians probably showed up because they believed those were Assyrians who died, and the Arameans probably showed up because they were Syriac Catholics and the 'Aramean' identity lies completely within the Syriac Orthodox Church (which means the Arameans thought those Syriac Catholics were Arameans.)

This is why Chaldeans who showed up to the rally either brought Chaldean or Iraqi flags(along with Catholic items), Arameans who showed up brought Aramean flags, and this is why I read plenty of bitching from Assyrians who weren't even going to show up because organizers asked for them to not bring Assyrian flags.

It's a dog eat dog world out there, and people need to start being honest about this because it's becoming a shame that we're avoiding this sad truth.

Who showed up when the buses from Bahkdida were bombed, or the series of priests were being murdered in Mosul during the war?



 
Ok I understood good, I always dont agree with you, arameans and chaldeans  showed up to the rally to support their brothers as they did in 2008 in Brussels when mar paulos faraj raho was murdered.

About the flag story, I don't think that the flag is the real problem, the problem is when you see assyrians who identify themselves as iraqi, it's very painfull, it's not about the assyrian flag or chaldean aramean flags but more about what iraq, turkey, ... did to us and how assyrians can identify themselves as iraqis
 
iraqicamel said:
This is why Chaldeans who showed up to the rally either brought Chaldean or Iraqi flags(along with Catholic items), Arameans who showed up brought Aramean flags, and this is why I read plenty of *****ing from Assyrians who weren't even going to show up because organizers asked for them to not bring Assyrian flags.

It's a dog eat dog world out there, and people need to start being honest about this because it's becoming a shame that we're avoiding this sad truth.
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It's not very hard to understand, you wanna waive an Assyrian, Chaldean, or Aramean flag at these protests? That's fine, as much as we argue over names at least these flags are associated with our people in general, but there's no need to waive an Iraqi flag if you're carrying out a friggin rally in Michigan or Chicago, we're not Arabs to be carrying that Islamic flag, get it?
 
Hanuni said:
Keep in mind that most of the protestors are west Assyrians/Arameans originally not from the modern state from Iraq, and notice that they do not carry a single Turkish, Syrian, Iranian or Iraqi flag but merely Assyrian/Aramean flags.
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I said who showed up to insinuate that when the Bahkdida tragedy occurred, barely anybody got out in the streets when compared to Black Sunday.

Tambur said:
It's not very hard to understand, you wanna waive an Assyrian, Chaldean, or Aramean flag at these protests? That's fine, as much as we argue over names at least these flags are associated with our people in general, but there's no need to waive an Iraqi flag if you're carrying out a friggin rally in Michigan or Chicago, we're not Arabs to be carrying that Islamic flag, get it?
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Tambur, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Under what conditions should you or anyone else assume that whomever carries an Iraqi flag is an 'Arab'? You don't see any ignorance in this?

This was a tragedy that occurred in Iraq, to our people who have lived in Iraq. Those who had died had their coffin's wrapped with the flag of Iraq. They took this flag to the grave. You mean to say that all of those victims went to death being Arabs?

Before you jump the gun with 'they wouldn't be allowed to cover themselves with the Assyrian flag in Iraq', you need to come to Michigan and see that most people who come off the boat aren't walking around with Assyrian or even Chaldean flags. They recognize the Iraqi flag, because it is a beautiful country, and all of our history is currently within the borders of Iraq.

Again, I said it would my wish to see the Assyrian flags only, but by no means should anybody be ignorant enough to say that our people turn their backs on us because they carry an Iraqi flag.
 
iraqicamel said:
Tambur, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Under what conditions should you or anyone else assume that whomever carries an Iraqi flag is an 'Arab'? You don't see any ignorance in this?
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Dude, the flag says Allahu Akbar on it, if you lived in Iraq I could understand with all the pressure and all, but protests in the diaspora should not carry this crappy flag that has Arab Islamic symbols all over it, what part of "This flag does not represent us in any way or fashion" do you not get? If you really wanna carry an Iraqi flag so bad, carry one that actually included us in it as part of the country, like this one:

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I do respect Qassim, but holy shit: You want our people to carry a flag that signifies the beginning of every modern catastrophe towards us? The whole reason of Western intervention was because Qassim was a socialist and that's why our people have been f*cked since then. You want our people to carry this flag?

The flag says Allahu Akbar on it, so what? God is great indeed. Our people love God and their beliefs before anything. It doesn't matter if it is written in Arabic or not. I think this comes down to what your prejudices are (against Arabs and Islam) and what reality is (not everybody is a fundamentalist and being a batshit conservative isn't a requirement for nationalism.)
 
iraqicamel said:
I do respect Qassim, but holy ****: You want our people to carry a flag that signifies the beginning of every modern catastrophe towards us? The whole reason of Western intervention was because Qassim was a socialist and that's why our people have been f*cked since then. You want our people to carry this flag?

The flag says Allahu Akbar on it, so what? God is great indeed. Our people love God and their beliefs before anything. It doesn't matter if it is written in Arabic or not. I think this comes down to what your prejudices are (against Arabs and Islam) and what reality is (not everybody is a fundamentalist and being a bat**** conservative isn't a requirement for nationalism.)
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Yes, I'm prejudice against Arabs and Islam, I think Assyrians who kiss up to Arabs and Muslims are a disgrace to our ancestors and there are plenty of reasons why I feel this way, I highly doubt you're interested in my reasons so let's just move along and leave it at that.
 
People that aren't prejudice towards Arabs or Islam are ass-kissers?

I'm not interested in hearing why you're prejudice, but you should know what you just said is illogical. That is all.
 
iraqicamel said:
People that aren't prejudice towards Arabs or Islam are ass-kissers?

I'm not interested in hearing why you're prejudice, but you should know what you just said is illogical. That is all.
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Illogical to you, and this is why our people keep getting called Arab or Kurdish Christians, keep waiving that Iraqi flag buddy :bangin:
 
iraqicamel said:
People that aren't prejudice towards Arabs or Islam are ass-kissers?

I'm not interested in hearing why you're prejudice, but you should know what you just said is illogical. That is all.
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Bro you seem to be very stubborn and you're in the wrong way, this country don't care about us, this country killed us, iraq expelled us, don't want us and don't respect us, all they want (not officialy of course) is that all the assyrians leave iraq and the iraqi and kurdish people as a people have the same opinion, they show nice but actually they hate us (because we are christians and the indegenous people, we have maybe more money, a better situation,...), I don't say all the iraqis and all the kurds but a large majority. So if you consider yourself as iraqi, it's your opinion but I say you bro, you identify yourself to those who have killed our ancestors, our civilization and are ready to finish their work anywhere anytime ...

And untill assyrians in diaspora who are free and have all the rights consider themselves as iraqis, we are doomed to loss. Assyrians from iraq should follow the example of Arameans on this point and reject any rapprochement with the turkish, iraqi people (like tur abdin, nineveh will be empty of the assyrians if nothing is done)  :dry:



 
Even the Kurds whom we consider to be gypsies have realised that they should not raise any flag but their own. Poor Assyrians, stuck in the Ottoman slave era.

One nation, one name, one flag.

God bless Assyria
 
Tambur said:
Illogical to you, and this is why our people keep getting called Arab or Kurdish Christians, keep waiving that Iraqi flag buddy
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Not to me, but in reality what you said has no logic, no merit at all. This is why I said that you and others shouldn't jump the boat on labeling people on what and who they are. You don't get to define people based on your own prejudices.

Alex/Tambur: I wasn't born in Iraq, I was born here in America (I know I've said this already.) And you can quote me from an earlier post... I would like to see the Assyrian flags being waved, but seeing Iraqi flags being carried by our people for our people does not make me think 'oh wow, this guy is an infidel towards our nation because he's carrying a flag based on his nationality.'

I don't see how you guys can come to such conclusions that our people are ill-minded or something. They were there to show support for a tragedy, and they're misguided based on which flag they are carrying? This is asinine.
 
iraqicamel said:
Not to me, but in reality what you said has no logic, no merit at all. This is why I said that you and others shouldn't jump the boat on labeling people on what and who they are. You don't get to define people based on your own prejudices.

Alex/Tambur: I wasn't born in Iraq, I was born here in America (I know I've said this already.) And you can quote me from an earlier post... I would like to see the Assyrian flags being waved, but seeing Iraqi flags being carried by our people for our people does not make me think 'oh wow, this guy is an infidel towards our nation because he's carrying a flag based on his nationality.'

I don't see how you guys can come to such conclusions that our people are ill-minded or something. They were there to show support for a tragedy, and they're misguided based on which flag they are carrying? This is asinine.
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I have some example to show you that our people are  ill-minded:

Have you ever seen armenians wave the turkish flag or a jew with a swastika tatoo???

No? It's normal because they are not ill minded and it's one of the reason they have a country and we don't...
 
Alex said:
I have some example to show you that our people are  ill-minded:

Have you ever seen armenians wave the turkish flag or a jew with a swastika tatoo???

No? It's normal because they are not ill minded and it's one of the reason they have a country and we don't...
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These both don't even count as examples and you are completely wrong on these being actual reasons on why Jews and Armenians have a country. If the Ottoman Empire wasn't on the losing side of WWI then Israel nor Iraq would exist today. If the Soviet Union never collapsed there would be slim chances of an independent Armenia.

The 'Jew analogy' you've used is way out of context. The Germans in Germany don't even respect Hitler's regime or the swastika. They wish it would have never happened. This shows throughout the country, in their museums, and in their national motto.

Compare to Iraq, where hundreds of thousands of our peoples assimilated into Iraqi culture. Many of our people cannot even read or write in our language, let alone barely speak it. Yet they can speak pure Iraqi Arabic, and read/write in Arabic as well. Our people enjoy the culture, the actors, the theatre, the music.

You are comparing a culture in Germany that everybody, even the Germans hate to this day, to one in Iraq that was enjoyed by our people and other citizens of Iraq, even in the midst of Saddams rule.

ruta: I know Alex said exactly what you wanted to hear, but none of it makes sense.
 
Again, you don't make sense by holding a present government accountable for an event that happened 77 years ago.

Is the United States government of today responsible for the genocide of the natives?

Is today's Germany responsible for the Holocaust?

By the way, I'm amused that events like 1933 are being thrown into this discussion as if it wasn't known by each and every person that considers themselves Assyrian. This is common knowledge within the community, I'm trying to help you think logically.
 
Bro you're not assyrian, you're iraqi, don't say you're assyrian if you love iraq and what iraq did for us, you're absolutely brain washed by arab politic (to arabise all the cultures in arab countries). If you were not arabised, you would not consider yourself iraqi and the worst is that a lot of "assyrians" have the same vision   :bangin:

If you love so much iraq and consider iraq like your country, why you're here??? Go back to iraq and  call yourself iraqi, we are almost extinct and half of our people consider themselves as iraqi or syrian, what the fu$$??!!!!

I have only one thing to say: tihe oromoye suryoye, you will never see a single Aramean wave the turkish flag and I hope Assyrians will follow the movement and stop trampling on the graves of our ancestors and our marthyrs  :ranting:

And finally I tell you, it's not the single reason why we don't have a country but it's  the main reason, if you consider yourself as iraqi or syrian, assyria is no longer necessary, you have already your country (iraq)!!!!

 
Once again for our beloved lost Assyrians whom we are still awaiting:

Hanuni said:
Even the Kurds whom we consider to be gypsies have realised that they should not raise any flag but their own. Poor Assyrians, stuck in the Ottoman slave era.

One nation, one name, one flag.

God bless Assyria
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Alex,

You are by far one of the most uneducated people I have seen posting on here... ever.

First of all... 'Aramean' doesn't even exist, so you already look like a moron.

Secondly, 90% of what you just typed up makes zero sense.

Thirdly, you need to use the spellchecker or just have somebody proof-read everything you type before you submit it.

Fourthly, you must have problems reading because I have already said I am an American, you moron. I cannot be an Iraqi and an American at the same time.

I'm not brainwashed because I continue to educate myself regardless of my perceived worldview. I am always open to change, I'm not like the rest of you sitting on your already poisoned state of mind, with your prejudices, racism, and fallacies. All of this is a huge circlejerk, you continue to disregard anything I say to come back with some bullshit like 'you call yourself an Iraqi, you are not an Assyrian!'... I have never called myself an Iraqi, that has nothing to do with the discussion, and I am an Assyrian.

Now get your ass into a classroom. Please.
 
iraqicamel said:
Alex,

You are by far one of the most uneducated people I have seen posting on here... ever.
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You're funny iraqicamel, you think you're the only one educated assyrian?? I have absolutely no problem with my level of education,  I'm very proud of what I have accomplished as student but I don't try to denigrate those who didn't have a chance to study by calling them moron or mentally retarded...

iraqicamel said:
First of all... 'Aramean' doesn't even exist, so you already look like a moron.
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Yes I understand that you don't agree with our aramaic origins but you can't say that a third of our people don't exist and you cant't deny that we are arameans at least in part so please excuse my stupidity

iraqicamel said:
Secondly, 90% of what you just typed up makes zero sense.
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There are facts, excuse me again for my stupidity but why should we call ourselves iraqi apart in Iraq where we are forced by fear of reprisals and obligation

iraqicamel said:
Thirdly, you need to use the spellchecker or just have somebody proof-read everything you type before you submit it.
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Oh excuse me again for not speaking English fluently and trying to learn a new language in addition to those I already speak

iraqicamel said:
Fourthly, you must have problems reading because I have already said I am an American, you moron. I cannot be an Iraqi and an American at the same time.
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And you too because I wrote IF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF IRAQI so if this is not the case, why you feel concerned, this is what we call conditional in english, no?? but wait!!! with your many degrees, I suppose you already know what conditional is...

iraqicamel said:
I'm not brainwashed because I continue to educate myself regardless of my perceived worldview. I am always open to change, I'm not like the rest of you sitting on your already poisoned state of mind, with your prejudices, racism, and fallacies. All of this is a huge circlejerk, you continue to disregard anything I say to come back with some bull**** like 'you call yourself an Iraqi, you are not an Assyrian!'... I have never called myself an Iraqi, that has nothing to do with the discussion, and I am an Assyrian.

Now get your ass into a classroom. Please.
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GOOD for you!!!! and I really mean it but you can't blaim our people to be too nationalist and refuse to support the iraqi state because first we are not iraqi, secondly it's like an insult regarding our history and massacres... and thirdly despite the current democracy, nothing is done for our people and moreover they try to expell us from the country by all the means  :dry:




But nevertheless I wish you all the happiness in the world because I think you misunderstood my comments and maybe that I have been too abrupt  :)

 
Fourthly, you must have problems reading because I have already said I am an American, you moron. I cannot be an Iraqi and an American at the same time.
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may i ask, why your name is IRAQIcamel if you reject Iraq and call yourself Assyrian? Just curious :)
 
It's a username ahkone. You ever heard of 'American Eagle'? I though 'Iraqi Camel' would be appropriate on these forums. (Plus when I joined these forums I had a Chaldean flag as my avatar, the username/avatar helped me stick out real good! :D)
 
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