Yonadam Kanna in Sweden
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Enki
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1615: Rabi Kanna just arrived to the hall. Seated in front of the Assyrian and Swedish flags.
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- There is no peace within the parliament in Iraq. Theres a lot of division in regards to the way the government work. How the resources will be distributed and used. Its not just about Sunni vs Shiaa that is the problem in Iraq, but rather it is also ethnic with Kurds and Arabs.
- Because of this division, 16 "wazereh" have dropped out of the election. they can't put new ones in because they dont have the confidence vote to put them in. Nobody is helping out.
- No confidence vote is given to Al-Malaki. There is no common agreement within the parliament as to who would replace Al-Malaki. This division "qitra" is the reason why he is still there.
- Those against Al-Malaki are Shia and the Sadr party. They don't want malaki and want a shia state. Sunni are also against him (they have 44 seats). Alawi's group is also against him. But when it comes to who would replace him, they can't decide which is the reason why Malaki is still there.
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- American government does not want to have a role in Iraq by 2008.
- Kurds have a huge role with the change within Iraq. There will be major announcements/political changes within the next 2 months.
- Infrastructure is hit hard as a result of the divisions.
- Oil, authority, and land claims (kirkuk, nineveh plains) are under debate. Where do they belong? To whom do they belong? Kurds claim theirs and are working hard in parliament to obtain it through the Kurdish coalition.
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- Reconciliation; the old regime seeks centralization, the new regime wants equal representation. as a result, the mentality is creating division and harming the reconciliation. This has nothing to do with Shia vs Sunni, they have their own agenda; an Islamic state.
- Member of a commission (spoke arabic didn't understand). There was a division that they refused to remember the umta in past history of Iraq, division with opinion of marriage (if a male or female Assyrian marries a Muslim, they must convert). They want our plans to go ahead in Nineveh Planes.
[OK I'm having a hard time understanding him. He speaks too much Arabic with his Assyrian. Theres a mix in the two!]
- American government did not build a solid Police and Army for Iraq up till 2006. They recently corrected this and have since (past 10 months) bult one up. They have been working together for peace to try to stop the terrorist and saddam loyalists and has resulted in greater peace in Baghdad.
- Peace will not come by force, it will come by will. Without peace there is no hope. Theres a lot of corruption. We are trying our best to attack the corruption and end it. If our police and militias work together, the terrorists will not prevail and we will put an end to them.
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- We were 1.3 million but now we are at no more than 650,000 Assyrians in Iraq. This did not happen because we were Assyrian. Although that was one small reason, another reason for this, was our religion. This brought us the most harm.
- Mosul and Baghdad (Dora) are where Assyrians are hit hard. Zowaa is trying hard to bring peace and harmony within the Iraq as a whole. Hitting hard to EU and American governments to help bring us aid and attention since they are really unable to do it themselves as there are only 10 of them representing 300,000(?) while there are 2 mil Arabs [not sure what he was saying here].
- Seeking aid both financial and food/medicine to supply the refugees to bring them some hope and comfort. Either give them the food, or give them the money to buy their own supplies.
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- There is division within our Assyrian nation. Everyone wanting to take the Assyrians to work for them and take them for their own. Zowaa, since 2003, has tried to bring us together under one name to lead us to be identified as one people. This was agreed in October. It was not done by Zowaa, it was done by all political organizations as well as the Churches. Those same organizations that worked to bring it together, they all broke out.
- Zowaa is again attempting to bring all the political parties together to work together and work ahead as a united coalition for a stronger and more united front to bring us our rights as well as security and peace for Assyrians.
- Open discussions right now are with ADM and ADO, and ADM with the Chaldean Democratic (organization?) to bring them together and to work as a united front.
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- There are people that are currently trying to make our nation wood for others to burn. The talk about Nineveh Planes being our own independent nation is one such method.
- The region is about 6000 km/sq. There are 3 major people in this region. 25% of them Are Assyrian. Shabak are 25%. Yezidi are 20% and arab/kurds/turkoman make up the rest. We are too small to split it and make it our own region in terms of religious basis neither can we separate it on ethnic basis since it is a very mixed region.
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- Spoke about us having an administrative body and our own court (minus appeal court) and having our own police force it is in the draft constitution. But because of the rising demand for Nineveh Planes independence, it is causing the fanatical Sunni, and Shia to harm this effort.
- We have no secrets. Once any work is attempted at being done, it is almost immediately posted on the internet or spread elsewhere harming the efforts. Those against us will use this information against us. US and Western governments are able to keep their secrets. While we let it out in 24 hrs, they keep theirs for 24 years! It needs to change.
- UNO helping to rebuild Assyrian villages. A little late, but it started.
- Heavy inflation in Iraq. What was once a house for 20,000 is now 200,000. Rent has also sky rocketed. The costs are extremely high. There is a monopolization of businesses in the region. There is not a free market. Businesses in the region (north) are also not very stable.
- 186 villages have been destroyed since Saddam's region to this day.
- Our neighbors need to respect the peoples will. If they choose a mayor, it will be him. They must not bring one in by force because of his/hers political affiliation. Put those that are qualified to run the positions.
- A lot of power abuse in all Iraq.
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END OF SPEECH [17:16]
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- There is no peace within the parliament in Iraq. Theres a lot of division in regards to the way the government work. How the resources will be distributed and used. Its not just about Sunni vs Shiaa that is the problem in Iraq, but rather it is also ethnic with Kurds and Arabs.
- Because of this division, 16 "wazereh" have dropped out of the election. they can't put new ones in because they dont have the confidence vote to put them in. Nobody is helping out.
- No confidence vote is given to Al-Malaki. There is no common agreement within the parliament as to who would replace Al-Malaki. This division "qitra" is the reason why he is still there.
- Those against Al-Malaki are Shia and the Sadr party. They don't want malaki and want a shia state. Sunni are also against him (they have 44 seats). Alawi's group is also against him. But when it comes to who would replace him, they can't decide which is the reason why Malaki is still there.
-------
- American government does not want to have a role in Iraq by 2008.
- Kurds have a huge role with the change within Iraq. There will be major announcements/political changes within the next 2 months.
- Infrastructure is hit hard as a result of the divisions.
- Oil, authority, and land claims (kirkuk, nineveh plains) are under debate. Where do they belong? To whom do they belong? Kurds claim theirs and are working hard in parliament to obtain it through the Kurdish coalition.
-----------
- Reconciliation; the old regime seeks centralization, the new regime wants equal representation. as a result, the mentality is creating division and harming the reconciliation. This has nothing to do with Shia vs Sunni, they have their own agenda; an Islamic state.
- Member of a commission (spoke arabic didn't understand). There was a division that they refused to remember the umta in past history of Iraq, division with opinion of marriage (if a male or female Assyrian marries a Muslim, they must convert). They want our plans to go ahead in Nineveh Planes.
[OK I'm having a hard time understanding him. He speaks too much Arabic with his Assyrian. Theres a mix in the two!]
- American government did not build a solid Police and Army for Iraq up till 2006. They recently corrected this and have since (past 10 months) bult one up. They have been working together for peace to try to stop the terrorist and saddam loyalists and has resulted in greater peace in Baghdad.
- Peace will not come by force, it will come by will. Without peace there is no hope. Theres a lot of corruption. We are trying our best to attack the corruption and end it. If our police and militias work together, the terrorists will not prevail and we will put an end to them.
----------------------------
- We were 1.3 million but now we are at no more than 650,000 Assyrians in Iraq. This did not happen because we were Assyrian. Although that was one small reason, another reason for this, was our religion. This brought us the most harm.
- Mosul and Baghdad (Dora) are where Assyrians are hit hard. Zowaa is trying hard to bring peace and harmony within the Iraq as a whole. Hitting hard to EU and American governments to help bring us aid and attention since they are really unable to do it themselves as there are only 10 of them representing 300,000(?) while there are 2 mil Arabs [not sure what he was saying here].
- Seeking aid both financial and food/medicine to supply the refugees to bring them some hope and comfort. Either give them the food, or give them the money to buy their own supplies.
----------------------
- There is division within our Assyrian nation. Everyone wanting to take the Assyrians to work for them and take them for their own. Zowaa, since 2003, has tried to bring us together under one name to lead us to be identified as one people. This was agreed in October. It was not done by Zowaa, it was done by all political organizations as well as the Churches. Those same organizations that worked to bring it together, they all broke out.
- Zowaa is again attempting to bring all the political parties together to work together and work ahead as a united coalition for a stronger and more united front to bring us our rights as well as security and peace for Assyrians.
- Open discussions right now are with ADM and ADO, and ADM with the Chaldean Democratic (organization?) to bring them together and to work as a united front.
--------------------------
- There are people that are currently trying to make our nation wood for others to burn. The talk about Nineveh Planes being our own independent nation is one such method.
- The region is about 6000 km/sq. There are 3 major people in this region. 25% of them Are Assyrian. Shabak are 25%. Yezidi are 20% and arab/kurds/turkoman make up the rest. We are too small to split it and make it our own region in terms of religious basis neither can we separate it on ethnic basis since it is a very mixed region.
--------------------------
- Spoke about us having an administrative body and our own court (minus appeal court) and having our own police force it is in the draft constitution. But because of the rising demand for Nineveh Planes independence, it is causing the fanatical Sunni, and Shia to harm this effort.
- We have no secrets. Once any work is attempted at being done, it is almost immediately posted on the internet or spread elsewhere harming the efforts. Those against us will use this information against us. US and Western governments are able to keep their secrets. While we let it out in 24 hrs, they keep theirs for 24 years! It needs to change.
- UNO helping to rebuild Assyrian villages. A little late, but it started.
- Heavy inflation in Iraq. What was once a house for 20,000 is now 200,000. Rent has also sky rocketed. The costs are extremely high. There is a monopolization of businesses in the region. There is not a free market. Businesses in the region (north) are also not very stable.
- 186 villages have been destroyed since Saddam's region to this day.
- Our neighbors need to respect the peoples will. If they choose a mayor, it will be him. They must not bring one in by force because of his/hers political affiliation. Put those that are qualified to run the positions.
- A lot of power abuse in all Iraq.
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END OF SPEECH [17:16]
Riza, tell him that Zowaa needs to increase its Assyrian nationalism and make it more appealing to ethnic Assyrians abroad (from all of our churches), and that Zowaa needs to incorporate other minor and superfluous Assyrian political parties in Iraq, under the political leadership of one Assyrian party, which will be a stronger Zowaa.
Enki
Active member
Trust me guys, I wish I could ask your questions...
Hell, I wish I could've asked my own question! Unfortunately, I wasn't picked to ask a question. I think its because they don't know me. All the guys that the guy beside Rabi Kanna picked, he knew their names....
Damn it. I'm gonna try to find him and ask him some questions face to face.
Thats all from here! Later guys!
Hell, I wish I could've asked my own question! Unfortunately, I wasn't picked to ask a question. I think its because they don't know me. All the guys that the guy beside Rabi Kanna picked, he knew their names....
Damn it. I'm gonna try to find him and ask him some questions face to face.
Thats all from here! Later guys!
"UNO helping to rebuild Assyrian villages. A little late, but it started"
Here in London in his speech says" We thank Mr. Masaoud Barazani for building our Villages, after along time since 1992, he just started?
So, in Sweden says UNO, and in elsewhere going to say another thing,
Why not just telling the truth who actually building these Villages, for God sake? He is talking about so called ?Unity?, what unity going to bring to without even mentioning the roll of Mr Sargis Aghjan for building these Villages?
Another thing, I thing Mr. Kanna (Zawaa) officially Thank Mr.Masaoud for these Building, whereas KRG says it is yours rights just take it is not ours? What a mix message is delivering to us? Any explain ?
Here in London in his speech says" We thank Mr. Masaoud Barazani for building our Villages, after along time since 1992, he just started?
So, in Sweden says UNO, and in elsewhere going to say another thing,
Why not just telling the truth who actually building these Villages, for God sake? He is talking about so called ?Unity?, what unity going to bring to without even mentioning the roll of Mr Sargis Aghjan for building these Villages?
Another thing, I thing Mr. Kanna (Zawaa) officially Thank Mr.Masaoud for these Building, whereas KRG says it is yours rights just take it is not ours? What a mix message is delivering to us? Any explain ?
sargonthedon
New member
ashoraya said:
Go watch it again!
He said, from 1991 - 2005 they didnt build anything but would like to thank them for building some villages EVENTUALLY!
Sounded a little sarcastic to me.
Akhona Sargon..
I am saying that Mr. Kanna he just thanking Mr Masaoud for building our Villegaes. But in sweden he says UNO. ther is a big defferent between these two. KRG and UNO. we need the truth,these Villages being built for us are they our rights or gift? because if you thankig someone for somthing done for you that mean he done it for you as gift (menta), but if it your rights that is fine just thank him but do not forget to mention to People that is our RIGHTS to have these villages built.
I am saying that Mr. Kanna he just thanking Mr Masaoud for building our Villegaes. But in sweden he says UNO. ther is a big defferent between these two. KRG and UNO. we need the truth,these Villages being built for us are they our rights or gift? because if you thankig someone for somthing done for you that mean he done it for you as gift (menta), but if it your rights that is fine just thank him but do not forget to mention to People that is our RIGHTS to have these villages built.
sargonthedon
New member
ashoraya said:
We know the truth, the villages are being built by KRG with finances allocated to Assyrians by external sources. These funds will eventually be paid back by Iraq not the KRG.
well according Mr Yondam kanna that your people make 25% of this area,that mean you assyrians will never be able to build ARG, dont take this wrong, all iam saying is how would you assyrians be able to make this region under your controll since you are not a majority of the area, unless you persuade 25% shabak and 20% yazadi to approval ARG instead for KRG. According some sources that KRG had bought many votes of arabs tribes, turkomans, even of assyrians, don`t you guys see that this will be difficult and you have a lot of work head of you.
what I know is that almost all yazadi are happy to join KRG this mean you won`t be able to persuade them.
what I know is that almost all yazadi are happy to join KRG this mean you won`t be able to persuade them.
riza o shourba said:
If you summarize this text is that you assyrians have no chance to get what you are demanding, What MR Yondam kanna is trying to say is that its very diffcult becuase there are strongers etnics groups in Iraq working to get this area for themself, like kurds and arabs, that mean nor turkomans or assyrians will be able to achieve their demands for now.
Aga, the way we (mostly Assyrians back home) look at it, it's the best chance we have. Do you think we should just give up and hand over whatever land we have left? Of course not. The outlook is gloomy, but we won't give up our identity, which is what the Kurds in Northern Iraq want to do.
Alucard said:
Alucard you usually response my views but now you are accusing me for being a kurd hehehe, you are funny,didnt know about that, whats is that make me a kurds, do I really pretect kurds? then how? all iam saying that is how it is, you have to face by your own eyes. I dont give shit about kurds, even Yondam Kanna is telling you thats hard to get what you assyirans people wants. I have been told that assyrians are majority of the area thats why iam saying, now you see even your own leader are saying that your people make 25% fo the region, trust me or not iam not against you, I wish you could get what you want, what do I lose if you get a safe heaven, nothing trust me, I will be greatful instead being dork....
jonadona said:
dear Jonadona iam not saying you should give up, thats not what iam saying execpt how sitautions is, You hadnt give upp for decades or should I say for 1000 years why today! what Iam trying to say is that many of assyrians are overestimating zaowa ability or assyrians living in mousul plain, they are already talking about ARG when nobodys has approved or mentioned in Bagdad or somewhere else...