Why Assyrian music sounds like kurdish music, you may ask?

Moneer

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So some might ask "how come your Assyrian music sounds like Kurdish, Turkish, Arabic?", without going into too much historic details (we have no homeland...etc), I would ask: do you think that Turkish people today only eat Turkish Cuisine? And do Kurdish people only eat Kurdish food? Got it, regional Influences play big role in shaping cultures in many different ways including music.

However I would consider, that one of the most devastating reasons would be "the killing", Assyrian people have been through many Massacres over the centuries and with those Massacres and Genocides we have lost most of our culture, heritage and Music too, many of our singers, musicians & enlightened have been killed, and when you lose a rich heritage and when that golden chain is broken, you will have to start from Zero, and so each century we started back from Zurna/Dawola, just like we did in Habbaniya after the Genocide of WWI, until we got to ?Mesopotamia Night concerts? of today, and I hope there will be no Genocides anytime soon, but looking at Nineveh today who knows?so I say to you, who ask, if you don?t want my music to sound like Kurdish, Turkish or Arabic please stop killing me!!!
 
then we better learn to use a gun because the psycho-muslims don't seem to want to stop anytime soon....

I'm pretty sure we can try to salvage our musical culture through influence of the Church music we make and secularize them into our own unique sounds.
 
Moneer Cherie said:
So some might ask "how come your Assyrian music sounds like Kurdish, Turkish, Arabic?", without going into too much historic details (we have no homeland...etc), I would ask: do you think that Turkish people today only eat Turkish Cuisine? And do Kurdish people only eat Kurdish food? Got it, regional Influences play big role in shaping cultures in many different ways including music.

However I would consider, that one of the most devastating reasons would be "the killing", Assyrian people have been through many Massacres over the centuries and with those Massacres and Genocides we have lost most of our culture, heritage and Music too, many of our singers, musicians & enlightened have been killed, and when you lose a rich heritage and when that golden chain is broken, you will have to start from Zero, and so each century we started back from Zurna/Dawola, just like we did in Habbaniya after the Genocide of WWI, until we got to ?Mesopotamia Night concerts? of today, and I hope there will be no Genocides anytime soon, but looking at Nineveh today who knows?so I say to you, who ask, if you don?t want my music to sound like Kurdish, Turkish or Arabic please stop killing me!!!


Great analysis Munir! Our neighbours are always forcing us to start from scratch.

Imagine if there was no genocides committed in the last 200 years or so, where we would be in music and other aspects of our culture.

All we can do is to hope it doesn't happen again.

ASHOOR
 
ASHOOR said:
Great analysis Munir! Our neighbours are always forcing us to start from scratch.

Imagine if there was no genocides committed in the last 200 years or so, where we would be in music and other aspects of our culture.

All we can do is to hope it doesn't happen again.

ASHOOR

Well, analytically speaking Ashoor...

If there were no genocides/massacres against Assyrians within the last 200 years, then we still may have not obtained our country and here's why. Considering the political power and control the churches have over us, that power was challenged by our nationalist movement...

That nationalist movement has been somewhat merged into the religiously political, which is a bad thing because it directly puts our identity into our religion instead of a secular identity based on a certain definition on who's Assyrian.

If there were no genocides/massacres against Assyrians within the last 200 years, Assyrians would've eventually had a conflict with Kurds, Turks, and Arabs sooner or later because all sides would've been competing for certain things.

Obviously, due to the massacres and the genocide, the Kurds had virtually no real competition against them considering the only people who were competing against them were Assyrians and Armenians. As we all know, Kurds during the Ottoman period only had to act & say they are Muslim and were then given all kinds of benefits.

More or less, I don't really blame Kurds for their good fortune because all they did was follow whoever was in charge and it rewarded them.

As for the Turks, the Turkish republic would definitely be missing Hakkari, Tur Avdeen, and Beth Bagash and we probably would've gotten into a conflict for total control of that region as the Ottomans wouldn't let of territory go without a fight.

Same with the Arabs as well.

If the genocide and massacres didn't occur, we probably would've had more manpower for soldiers but the British empire would've still blocked us from achieving a nation of our own....
 
Chinese music sounds like Vietnamese music. Irish and Scottish folk soundalike. Romanian and Hungarian sound similar.

We're neighbours and we would sound alike. It's natural...
 
Oh and btw, Assyrian music is sounding more like Kurdish music nowadays that it's disquieting and dispiriting me. Especially the dance music. 

The so-called "siskani" genre is practically Kurdish (and so galling):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8WXQsRMZ5k

Typical khigga music of this era (again, rather Kurdish):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDC8shbKjPE

Now this is what I call a comfortably and distinctively Assyrian type of dance music, which had western influences (the 80s/90s variety):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KBJ37G12Zs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCwzML6TRjU
 
mrzurnaci said:
"it all sounds the same!!!" ? ?? ?
To me at least, it all sounds similar. Take the lute for example. I don't know how much it's  used in Assyrian music,but it's heard throughout the middle east.
 
Etain said:
To me at least, it all sounds similar. Take the lute for example. I don't know how much it's  used in Assyrian music,but it's heard throughout the middle east.
The lute was also predominantly used in European.
 
Ezidi Kurd said:
Classical Ezdi (Median) music sounds also very Iranid. Notice, like Persian classical music, also without 'duduk / zurna / qern?te'. It is very different from SouthWest Asian (Semitic) music and very similar to the Persian classical folk music

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The melody and style of that song is ubiquitous in Assyrian folk music. The other two sound unfamiliar. Probably because we don't use their style. The modes of the some the songs you listed are in the Phrygian mode. This musical mode originated in Phrygia, in Greek Anatolia.

Btw, what language was that? It sounds Hindi or Urdu.
 
Ezidi Kurd said:
This are Ezdi Kurds, the most purest and authentic Kurds. They have pure Kurdish (Ezdi/Median) clothes on them and they speak the most purest form of Ezdiki Kurmanji (part of greater Kurdish family of languages). Kurmanji is the NorthWest Aryan language. This is Iranic (Aryan) music in the purest form dating back to the ancient Medes/Mitanni. We are one of the most authentic ancient people.


Hindi or Urdu are Vedic languages heavily influenced by an Aryan language (Kurdish) from Kurdistan.



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I'm wondering, if these people have a rich civilized history why is their traditional clothing rather nomadic?

I'm still pondering on the word "Aryan" - If it's a race or a mere language family ("Indo-European"), as I've always learnt it was. Because people who speak Indo-Aryan languages don't even look the same - For instance, a Kurd would seem more homogeneous to an Arab (and an Assyrian too) than to a Pakistani or an Indian.  The last time I checked, white nationalists used "Aryan" for the people of their Germanic/Nordic race (which excluded the folks from Asia). First the Germans and now Indo-Iranians seem to be obsessed with it - I mean, "Aryan" is a denizen in every post you make. So who or what is an "Aryan" person?

Another question, why do you call yourself a Kurd when you despise Islam, considering that 97% of Kurdish people are Muslim? I don't know, it just seems like a big oxymoron. I know Yazidis are ethnically Kurdish, but can't they separate themselves from "Kurdish-Kurds" since they don't even practice Islam? And I thought they did that, hence the name of their ethnicity?

P.S. Forgot to mention, not every form of Middle Eastern music came from the Kurds and Iranians. The Harmonic Minor, or the Mohammedan Scale, came from Egypt. I'd wager that a good dose of Kurdish music uses this scale. There are some Assyrian songs written in that scale, such as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgsyLsYVmkw
 
Ezidi Kurd said:
Because it is thousands of years old . It is about the idea . This is part of our culture, tradition and it is thousands and thousands of years old.  At the time when we had such closes people in Europe lived in marshes and were cannibals, didn't know what tradition means and had no culture, only a cannibal culture.

European traditions are a very recent phenomenon compared to our ancient Aryan traditions. Their classical music like Beethoven, Mozart or Chopin etc. is a couple of centuries old, while Kurdish classical music is thousands of years old. We have the oldest and more advanced culture than the rest of the human race.

At the times when Aryans build a civilization in the Mesopotamia, Semitic Arabs drank camel urine in the desert

The Medes and Persians called themselves Aryans at the times when Germans lived naked in the marshes. Europeans have no ancient history. Aryans = Iranid race. Aryans are Iranian people. Iranian people belong to an IRANID (Aryan) race. Aryans are native to the Iranian Plateau / Zagros Mountains.
I understand your passion and point, but is there really an "Aryan" or "Iranid" race? We both took our DNA test and our results were very similar (high amounts of Caucasian followed by Middle Eastern), except that you had South Asian ancestry (2%, was it?) whilst I, and another Assyrian, had 10%-15% Greece and Italy. Maybe these so-called races (Semitic, Aryan) are too mixed nowadays to be considered "pure"? Sure, the Aryan culture exists (just how other cultures do), but is it also a "race"?

I don't know, but I have a feeling that Iranians use that term (not that I'm counting you) to mimic the Germans in the Nazi era, so they can sound "superior", just like how Nazi Germany did. I remember, when a white guy was cast as Prince Dastan in Prince of Persia, many disgruntled Iranians (with an inferiority complex, let's admit that) defensively said "Iranians are white, they are Aryans, so the actor is suited". Whilst you don't equate Aryanism with the white race (I think you mentioned this), these people actually do that and they'd also spout insults on Semites/Jews (like the Germans again), like as if they look different from Jews (when they don't differ much).

Wait, are you implying that the Aryans build Mesopotamia? I'm pretty sure that the ancient Mesopotamians were Semites (Akkadians, Assyrians), and that Iranid people came from the east (Iran). Also, civilized culture started in the fertile crescent, by Sumerians. Although they weren't Semitic (they didn't speak a Semitic language), I highly doubt that they were Aryans or Iranids. The Akkadians who came after them, and prospered in these lands, were Semitic-speaking. And you said it yourself, Aryans are native to the Iranian Plateau. So what did they have to do with Mesopotamia?

Kurds look like Kurds and like our Aryan ancestors the Medes. We have been always looking like Kurds/Aryans.
What's the "Aryan" look? Kurdish people have always had a diverse look to me. In extreme cases, some look Indian and others look European. Many easily pass as Assyrian or Levantine looking and/or "Mediterranean". They don't have a distinct look to me. That's why I refuse to believe that there is an "Aryan" or "Semitic" race, which are mere (sub) language families. There is a so-called Mediterranean race though (which comprises the people in Southern Europe, Western Asia and northwest of South Asia), and I do see a truth to that "race" - Because many times, Kurds, Iranians, Assyrians, Lebanese, Palestinians and even some Greeks and Italians have a rather similar look (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_race).

The women pictured here are Kurds (Aryans). They can easily pass as Assyrians, Mandeans, Levantines and even Jewish to my eyes (almond eyes, hooked noses). If these women have an Aryan look, then I have to be blind, since, as I said, they look like they can be from any country in Western Asia (maybe minus the "darker" nations such as UAE and Saudi).
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Because, there will be a time when Islam will be vanished from Kurdistan and Kurds will come back to their ancient roots. Kurmanji Kurds were all Ezdi before they were forced to become Muslims. Sooner or later they wil be free to leave Islam and become Ezdi again. Kurds in Rojava already returning to their roots. Most Kurds in Rojava I do consider Ezdi again. I will never betray my people because most of them were forced to believe in n*gg*r Allah and his f*gg*t boyfriend Mohammed.
True, except don't make a savage like Muhammad gay. Lol.
 
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