What do you think about Religion and Politics...

no, i dont think religion and politics should be mixed. However, in my opinion, i think they both play an equal factor in shaping our society. im too lazy right now to think. i'll post more after.
 
i agree they shouldnt be mixed...take a look at the arab countries...all based on islam nearly in every aspect of society...their outlook on laws and punishments dont reflect community standards and changes within modern society...im not saying religion shouldnt play a role because established western countries do base their laws on christianity...but thats just morals and ethics...the change as society changes..for example...the legalisation of gay marriages in some states in the US...even though they are a christian country...they change and modernize laws and regulations so society will function properly as it reflects the community standards.

im not sure if i went offtrack with examples lol but overall they shouldnt be mixed
 
I prefer to be living in a society that has laws based on Christian beliefs. For example, no work on sunday, christian holidays are national holidays, etc. Canada is like that, except i dont support the fact that they let ferokheen get married..... :bash:
 
I totally think in regards to our Assyrian people, we should. Unfortunately, we involve more politics than we do religion, even though it should be the other way around. We Assyrians survived because of our religion. Our political leaders are our church leaders. If you go into the Mar Bawai situation, you'll see what I am talking about.
 
No, they should not be involved with each other for their purposes are different. One can argue that the purpose of religion is harmony with ones neighbour by building a healthy relationship with God and obeying certain doctrine, and politics is similar, minus the God part of course. Politics has different ends to religion, they do not fully relate to each other in this sense.

Furthermore, I personally think religion is political. It always has been. For instance, it has regional aspects to it, as does politics. Of course, I'm not commenting on the ideal form of religion, but the reality of it now, and what it truly is.

Another vital point to mention is that humans are political creatures in whatever they do, as the ancient Greeks observed. They consider consequences, they consider method, they have intentions - these are all political attributes. It would be folly to try and seperate the two; religion and politics, as we are naturally political, so whatever religion we follow, we will have a political disposition. We will think our moral system is superior, we will our ethics more virtuous etc. This all becomes automatic when one subscribes to a certain religion.

A real example of the combination of religion and politics was the situation the black Americans faced. MLK as you know was a devout Christian who preached pacifism, a virtue Jesus commended. His politics was religious, and I believe he went about things in the right way. However, there was the case of James Cone. He was also a black Christian, who implemented religion in his work, however, in his case, he turned it into a military format. Thus the creation of the Black Power movement became known as the 'Political Arm' of Black Theology, whereby religion is used as support in commiting acts of violence. Cone did this by interpretating certain passages as revolutionary, and inspiring.. even viewing Christ as a revolutionary.

So you see, sometimes the explicit combination of religion is fruitful, as seen with MLK, however, when personal vendettas become embedded within the theology, a mentality as that of Cone appears. It can work either way when these two disciplines are paired.
 
I myself have never seen a problem with government policies being governed by religion. Somebody mentioned Gay marriages. That is everything you need to know about what happens when you leave God out of politics. What is next? Marrying horses and dogs?
 
Moja Moja said:
I myself have never seen a problem with government policies being governed by religion.
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uhh have you ever heard of the taliban? Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, etc. But it also goes the other way. When a gov't goes so far out of its way to exterminate religion from w/i the state, you end up with uzbekistan, mao's china, stalin's ussr, pol pot and the khemer rouge in cambodia, kim il sung/kim jung il dprk etc.

religion and politics are inextricable. However, a state, in my opinion, should limit the influence religion has on its policies. This shouldn't preclude religious openness and tolerance. too many wars have been waged over religion.
 
BIG NO!!

Look at Iran and other Islamic countries.
Death Penalty
Women are always under-appreciated.
Women have less rights
Their juridic system is based on religion which is wrong.

too late to come up with other arguements i am going to sleep zzzzzzzzzz
 
Francis D'Anconia said:
Moja Moja said:
I myself have never seen a problem with government policies being governed by religion.
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uhh have you ever heard of the taliban? Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, etc. But it also goes the other way. When a gov't goes so far out of its way to exterminate religion from w/i the state, you end up with uzbekistan, mao's china, stalin's ussr, pol pot and the khemer rouge in cambodia, kim il sung/kim jung il dprk etc.

religion and politics are inextricable. However, a state, in my opinion, should limit the influence religion has on its policies. This shouldn't preclude religious openness and tolerance. too many wars have been waged over religion.
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I see these as fanatic religious regime's based on destroying the welfare of the people. There has to be a balance. Look at some secular/muslim nations as the u.a.e. and kuwait ,they seem to be doing fine.
 
No to mixing those two....
Religion should be only between the individual and God and politics should be something between different groups of people with different opinions.
 
eanna said:
No to mixing those two....
Religion should be only between the individual and God and politics should be something between different groups of people with different opinions.
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There is the religious Truth we all know of, but then again opinions created all those denominations, so the above two are somewhat related.
 
I liked everyone's response...


However?

To those who think religion and politics should NOT be involved
How do you think our lives would be? 7 days working? No holidays for Christmas and Easter, as its been mentioned, look at what happens when religion isn?t involved, same sex marriage! I mean come on, what limits does politics have without religion involved?


To those who agree that religion and politics should be involved?
Does that mean all political parties, congressmen and etc. etc. are sinners?
I mean we all know they lie! And lie is a sin; they make choices that put people?s life is in danger, isn?t that a crime? Sin?


Do u see now why I am confused?

Anyhow, I think they should be involved for human kind sake, although religion has become very similar to politics nowadays in its way of operation?therefore my conclusion is, world is coming to an end!
 
you cant involve the 2 no matter what the cost, or how low people can get, we are living in the times where all races, religions etc are mixed and as time goes by that mixing will cover the entire world as the population grows and as the population of the smaller countries begin to overflow into the land beside it whats gonna happen? religious wars, ethnic wars, colour wars?? this is what i predict anyway.

you cant FORCE your religious beliefs on others because not everyone has the same belief, hell i can even say no 2 christians are the same.
 
i dont think religion and politics should be mixed b/c not everyone has the same religion..and even if everyone does have the same religion in that country not everyone IS religious

for example in iran... ppl hate the gov. b/c its based on religion and most of iranians arent religious.. which is why the gov. is most likely ganna change soon



PS.. i didnt read any of the posts... so i'm sry if i copied u :2hearts:
 
politics are based on moral codes.

moral codes are based on religions.

therefor politics will always be tied in an indirect manner to religion, whether you like it or not.
 
to the people saying that they should not mix.....Are you also saying that only Athiests should be politicians? Why can't I be a Christian and be a politician? Why does this upset so many people? I don't understand why there is a problem with religion mixing with politics. Shall we all start killing each other because religions tell us not to kill? Shall rape be legal now because religions are against rape? Heck, why not? Gay marriages are legal in some countries so why can't murder be legal?

Please explain!
 
Moja Moja said:
to the people saying that they should not mix.....Are you also saying that only Athiests should be politicians? Why can't I be a Christian and be a politician? Why does this upset so many people? I don't understand why there is a problem with religion mixing with politics. Shall we all start killing each other because religions tell us not to kill? Shall rape be legal now because religions are against rape? Heck, why not? Gay marriages are legal in some countries so why can't murder be legal?

Please explain!
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its not the matter that a christian cant be politician, its the matter of imposing the christian way of life to the general public. Chrisitanity should be followed by choice and not by force, if christian laws were forced then the real meaning of christianity would be lost. We would basically follow the tteachings of christ blindly.

you dont see a problem with religion and politics, look at iran and saudi arabia, or pakistan even.


in regards to rape and murder being legalalized becuase of legalized gay marrieges, well let me put it this way, do gay marriages hurt anyone? No! but killing and raping does. Our laws are based on keeping an order in life, and we also the freedom to worship whatever we want. For example, In canada we have people from all over the world and of different religious beliefs, why should they be forced to follow a religion that they dont believe in? would u like to follow a religion u dont believe in?
 
Australia was a better country when it was a Christian country. It officiall stopped calling itself a Christian country in 1975. Now, the major religion is political correctness. This is both oppressive and discriminatory. Society has totally lost its way in Australia and it will only get worse.

If the non-Christians that chose to come to Australia didn't like it being a Christian country, then they should not have come to Australia in the first place.

And why is it that politics can interfere with religion but not to the other way around. It's ok for politicians to say ok to gay marriages which is playing with religion but it is not ok to say no to Gay marriages for religiou reasons (what is marriage?). What the hell is this?

Nobody is asking for extremist governments so don't compare my arguement to Iran or Saudi Arabia. If I choose to live in Iran, then what right do I have to tell them to change their laws for my sake anyway?

Gay marriages don't hurt? I have heard it all now.
 
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