eYe_CaNdy said:
"The Christ that I believe in paid for my sins on the cross, yet your christ's sacrifice was insufficient and neccesitates purgatory.
The Christ that I believe died on the cross 2000 years ago, while the christ you believe in is rekilled every Sunday by priests around the globe and served up to the masses. "
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when you make such a statement. The Christ that the Catholic church believes in is the Christ that died on the cross for us for our sins. The Christ that shed his blood for us to save us from our sins. Don't sit here and tell me that is not the same Christ you believe in. And He did not die on the Cross just for the sins of those who believe in Him or those who follow Him. He died on the Cross for the sins of the whole world.
OK, Error #1.
Mat 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for
he will save his people from their sins."
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as
Christ loved the church and
gave himself up for her,
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd.
The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
eYe_CaNdy said:
Our priests do not rekill Christ every sunday. Have you ever stepped inside of a Catholic church or let alone a church before? Do you not understand what the meaning of the Eucharist is and why it is made as an offering every sunday at church?
The Catholic Church believes the host is physically changed from the bread and wine to body and blood. I believe Jesus was speaking symbolically. Two points here:
#1. Heb 9:25-28
Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, (26) for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is,
he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. (27) And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, (28) so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
Furthermore, Heb 10:10-13 And by that will we have been sanctified through
the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (11) And every priest stands daily at his service,
offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. (12) But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, (13) waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
You see, in both these sections, it plainly shows that the sacrifice of Christ was made once, for all times. Not every Sunday.
Now, this would lead to point # 2 which you said below:
eYe_CaNdy said:
Whatever happened to what Jesus said at the Last Supper?
Then Jesus took a cup, gave thanks to God, and said, "Take this and share among yourselves. I tell you that from now on I will not drink this wine until the Kingdom of God comes."
Then he took a piece of bread, gave thanks to God, broke it, and gave it to them saying, "This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in memory of me." - Luke 22: 17-19
The Catholic church does this in memory of Christ every sunday at church to remind people of the amazing gift that Jesus offered us, his own body.
The Catholic Church takes this literally, which is a misinterpretation. If you look here and in John 6, which is the other area that Rome appeals to for support of Transubstatiation, you will notice serious inconsistencies in application. For instance, John 6:35 says you will never hunger or thirst if you are in Christ. So, do Catholics ever get hungry or thirsty??? Of corse you do. Now you can't say that this is symbolic and then Jesus turns to literal a few verses later.
Now, another point. What if we concede that Jesus was speaking literally at the last supper and in John 6. If this is LITERAL, why isn't only the bread and wine that was present transformed?? Jesus does say of the bread and wine, "This is my body", If he was speaking literally, maybe he only meant the loaves present. You see the inconsistencies yet??
eYe_CaNdy said:
To your second post,
What about the people who are not Christians and do good in their lives? The ones who give their life in order to help others? What about those who have a pure heart? What about those who hardly sin? Are you going to tell me just because they are not Christian they won't inherit the Kingdom of God? Look at all the teachings of Christ about how a person should be. There are people out there who are not Christian and have all the same qualities about the people that Jesus described that will inherit the Kingdom of God. What about the tribes that live in far away places where no others have reached. They have no way of knowing who Jesus Christ is. Are you going to tell me that they will go to hell for that and will not inherit the Kingdom of God? What about those who lived before the first coming of Christ? They knew nothing about Jesus, will they not inherit the kingdom of God?
There are Christians out there who believe in Jesus Christ and do not practice any of his teachings in their daily lives. Are you going to tell me that a Hindu who has lived a good life, with a pure heart, hardly sinned and dedicated his life to helping those around will not inherit the Kingdom of God but the Christian who believed will?
To those who don't believe, hell awaits them:
Joh 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Act 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
To supposed Christians in name only, hell awaits them:
Jam 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? (15) If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, (16) and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? (17) So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
eYe_CaNdy said:
You clearly do not understand the teachings of the Catholic church and where the Catholic church is coming from.
I assure you, I know the teachings of Rome better than 98% of the people that fills their pews. Furthermore, I fervently pray that God saves these people from Rome and show them Truth.
I look forward to your response.
