Etain
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http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31285/no-tears-for-egypts-coptic-christians/
Were you expecting something different?
Violence against Copts celebrated
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Were you expecting something different?
I don't expect heebs to have any sympathy for goyim like christians, I know where their priorities are I'm not gullible to think that they would care. Atleast they don't hit them with terrorist attacks like muslims do though.
Also I do find the irony pretty good. Yes lets side with the jews who are funding Kurds who are ethnically cleansing us, lol lets actually encourage our own cultural genocide. There is no win for christian minorities in the middle east if they pick their poison between those two. The Copts, Lebanese christians, Assyrians etc. should form alliance but how practical is it? Too spread out, oppressed, too far away from eachother etc.
Also I do find the irony pretty good. Yes lets side with the jews who are funding Kurds who are ethnically cleansing us, lol lets actually encourage our own cultural genocide. There is no win for christian minorities in the middle east if they pick their poison between those two. The Copts, Lebanese christians, Assyrians etc. should form alliance but how practical is it? Too spread out, oppressed, too far away from eachother etc.
Etain
Member
Indeed. It's important to remember there are no real allies. But too many casual observers think the Jews are.Joe25 said:
An alliance between those groups would not work. the only real option is to keep the population up and pick out the sanest,most secular Muslims(the Syrian government, alawites). I understand problems could arise of course.
Etain said:
Most of us(those non-gullible) agree that some Shia sects are our best choices for the time being. During times of crisis you get the best picture of who is the most on your side. Fact is the shia have liberated christian areas, saved churches rung their bells after defeating terrorists etc. Israel has done squat but continue to fund the Kurds who continue to take over Assyrian lands. Lets still beg them though so a bunch of folks of european ancestry don't consider us of all people "anti-semitic". You can't make this up.
nejepnerast
New member
Muslims killing non Muslim and celebrating and Christians killing Muslims too and celebrating . What is the difference ? Just not to upset anyone let us say" it is the will of God" , no ?
Cascade
Well-known member
Just one Jewish bimbo who doesn't represent all Jews. I'm pretty sure that there are Christians (not even just Muslims) who gloat when Israelis or Jews are murdered. Sadly, these Christians do tend to be Assyrian.
I can find Buddhists, Hindus and people of many other belief systems who would say such peripheral things. At the end of the day, Muslims are the ones who come in masses and celebrate the deaths of Christians, Jews, etc. This isn't news.
Jews will always be allies. A few rotten-mouthed Jews wouldn't change my mind. Just the same way a few fundamental Christians in America wouldn't make me perceive Christianity to be in the same grounds of Islam.
I can find Buddhists, Hindus and people of many other belief systems who would say such peripheral things. At the end of the day, Muslims are the ones who come in masses and celebrate the deaths of Christians, Jews, etc. This isn't news.
Jews will always be allies. A few rotten-mouthed Jews wouldn't change my mind. Just the same way a few fundamental Christians in America wouldn't make me perceive Christianity to be in the same grounds of Islam.
Mr. Tambourine Man
New member
I don't know.
I was pro-Israel for a long time. I thought Israel was the last fortification against Islamic rule of the Middle East and I never subscribed to this 'Jews control the world' ideology because I thought it was ludicrous and just paranoid sentiment.
However, in light of recent events, I'm not so sure how I feel about the Jews. I've been listening to PartisanGirl a lot and she's staking the claim that Jews have been funding Al Nusra, which puts me on edge.
Whether Jewish support for such organisations is in attempt to pin Muslim against Muslim, I don't know. What I do know is that if such elusive Jewish activity was taking place, it's having negative ramifications for the Assyrian people.
@Neon How are Jews our allies? I'm not saying we're enemies, but what exactly have they done to gain our support? I can't find any evidence to suggest that they've benefited us either directly or inadvertently.
I was pro-Israel for a long time. I thought Israel was the last fortification against Islamic rule of the Middle East and I never subscribed to this 'Jews control the world' ideology because I thought it was ludicrous and just paranoid sentiment.
However, in light of recent events, I'm not so sure how I feel about the Jews. I've been listening to PartisanGirl a lot and she's staking the claim that Jews have been funding Al Nusra, which puts me on edge.
Whether Jewish support for such organisations is in attempt to pin Muslim against Muslim, I don't know. What I do know is that if such elusive Jewish activity was taking place, it's having negative ramifications for the Assyrian people.
@Neon How are Jews our allies? I'm not saying we're enemies, but what exactly have they done to gain our support? I can't find any evidence to suggest that they've benefited us either directly or inadvertently.
Cascade
Well-known member
They're more allies than they are our enemies, if anything. But I meant in a future tense - If we have a nation, I can see us being allies. They're Semitic-speaking and they even sound similar to us. Armenians are next of kin. And speaking of Armenians, they also haven't aided us too. But of course, Israelis will always be the despised ones.Mr. Tambourine Man said:
I can understand why Israel hasn't intervened and helped us with ISIS. They're just afraid and very vulnerable as a nation - Perhaps their intervention will entail a way for ISIS to enter and ruin their country? They already have to manage with the Palestinian conflict. They are not a superpower nation anyway. They need assistance too. So let's give them a break. Not to mention, we are a minority within a minority in the Middle East. We are not conspicuous enough for them to benefit us.
I know you might bring up Shias for helping us and saving our people. But what they're doing is pretty understandable and justified. After all, Shias live in Iraq, and they will be obligated to defend their citizens from criminals. Not all Muslims support terrorists (and I think everybody knows this platitude). And many Muslims, especially those who are proud to defend their country, will fight Islamic terrorists (surprising? I think not). I'm pretty sure if Jews were living in myriads in Iraq and were, say, in Shias stead, they would be doing the same.
We have to look deeper in such matters - Jews haven't aided us because there are barely any Jews left in Iraq. Muslims will always "aid" us inadvertently (or not), because, well, a lot of Muslims exist in Iraq and live alongside of us. And they will defend their country, its people, its edifice, etc. Now does this mean that Islam is a more liberating religion than Judaism? Should we go and live in Iran or Pakistan as instead of Israel? :mrgreen:
mrzurnaci
Active member
who cares what Debbie says, she's a dumb kalebta who would be stupid enough to blame all Copts because Shenouda said a few anti-Jewish words. She makes it seem like Shenouda has the power to send hordes of Copts to attack Jews when Jews under Coptic rule lived 100x better than Jews under Muslim rule.
She also seems to ignore the idea that Muslims peer pressure and threaten Middle Eastern Christians into saying anti-Semitic crap or else risk alienation or harm...
In the Muslim Middle East, if you're pro-Israel then you better get ready to move there or you're in for a world of hurt.
you have the choice of being Pro-Israel or Pro-Staying-Alive.
She's also displaying a lesson not learned from WW2...
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me?and there was no one left to speak for me."
She also seems to ignore the idea that Muslims peer pressure and threaten Middle Eastern Christians into saying anti-Semitic crap or else risk alienation or harm...
In the Muslim Middle East, if you're pro-Israel then you better get ready to move there or you're in for a world of hurt.
you have the choice of being Pro-Israel or Pro-Staying-Alive.
She's also displaying a lesson not learned from WW2...
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me?and there was no one left to speak for me."
Joe25 said:
Did you hear what the head of Shiite Waqf said about Christians last week? I dont know how trustable Rudaw is, but if that is true, most of us are wrong about kindness and tolerance of the shiite muslims
http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/140520171
Cascade
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It's not surprise that Shiites would utter such things. They're still Muslim, and their ideology is straightforward. People should stop being na?ve, especially Assyrians.KingA said:Did you hear what the head of Shiite Waqf said about Christians last week? I dont know how trustable Rudaw is, but if that is true, most of us are wrong about kindness and tolerance of the shiite muslims
http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/140520171
mrzurnaci
Active member
KingA said:Did you hear what the head of Shiite Waqf said about Christians last week? I dont know how trustable Rudaw is, but if that is true, most of us are wrong about kindness and tolerance of the shiite muslims
http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/140520171
Neon said:
actually, Shoebat says that's BS.
http://shoebat.com/2017/05/17/convert-to-islam-or-die-infidels-muslim-cleric-gives-ultimatum-to-iraqi-christians/
"This story seems to have first come out of Alaraby, which is a Middle Eastern News Network based in London and founded in 2014 as a ?counter? to Al-Jazeera. Its founder is Azmi Bishara, a ?Christian? from Israel with strong connections to the communist party and a host of other groups. What is of particular interest is that he is a direct supporter of the opposition to Syrian President Asad and helped to form the ?National Coalition For Syrian Revolutionary And Opposition Forces.?"
The source of the news is from anti-Shi'a outlet.
mrzurnaci
Active member
because it makes little sense for Copts to be anti-semitic outside of Muslim peer pressure...Etain said:
Secondly, Debbie is making it seem like ALL of the Copts are anti-Semitic and stating that violence from Muslims is karma (for "hating" Jews) rather than the sheer fact that Muslims simply hate non-Muslims plain and simple.
Not to mention there's 1,000+ Copts living in Israel but that's none of my business...
mrzurnaci said:
Check his speech:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170517-shia-cleric-iraq-christians-infidels-who-must-convert-or-be-killed/
Neon said:
You have an agenda here to glorify the jews by questioning other legit allies like Armenians and others, asking for evidence and such, yet you have offered no evidence of Israel being our "allies" in any way. They are not, they are indirect enemies if we look at all the facts of the matter.
They're more allies than they are our enemies, if anything. But I meant in a future tense - If we have a nation, I can see us being allies. They're Semitic-speaking and they even sound similar to us. Armenians are next of kin. And speaking of Armenians, they also haven't aided us too. But of course, Israelis will always be the despised ones.
LOL great, they're semitic speaking. They sound similar to us. That's adorable. Doesn't make them allies for the same reason islamic semites aren't. We are not on the jewish radar at all because we're considered inferior goyim who worship(according to them) a fake messiah, and they consider our religion a vile anti-jewish one which is of course idiotic.
More on the Israeli funding of Kurds below.
http://www.meforum.org/3838/israel-kurds
As we can read here the Kurds who are ethnically cleansing Assyrians, have been helped by jews so much that both sides have tried their best to keep this a secret because it would make Kurds hated and considered traitors by all the islamists in the middle east.
Do the jews care about the consequences for Assyrians? Of course not. They have an agenda and don't care how it affects others, they wanted Kurds as allies and they got it. Meanwhile this will prevent our people from ever having a country again and surviving our culture, language and so on.
As we can read here the Kurds who are ethnically cleansing Assyrians, have been helped by jews so much that both sides have tried their best to keep this a secret because it would make Kurds hated and considered traitors by all the islamists in the middle east.
Do the jews care about the consequences for Assyrians? Of course not. They have an agenda and don't care how it affects others, they wanted Kurds as allies and they got it. Meanwhile this will prevent our people from ever having a country again and surviving our culture, language and so on.