Video: israeli palestinian conflict and the assyrian case

Really now, did anyone of u really listen to what the guy is sayingXD

only 7ayruta seems to have understood itXD

the guy is jewish, and what he says basically is, ;What we are doing to the arabs is what the germans did to us, and because we all respect our grandparents we wil not lower the meaning of their suffering and honor by doing to the arabs what they also suffered from.

7ayruta, thanks for sharing this vid, didnt even know these kind of jews existed, this Dr, Finkelstein is a great man, we really should have someone like him in our parties, the guy isn't afraid to say what's on his mind.
 
7ayruta said:
Shekwanta i don't know what world you live in but EVERY single point you made was totally out in the cosmos.
:ROFLMAO: .........well! i might be an alien,, u dont know! :shades:  ;)
 
7ayruta said:
1. I know how Europe is... I live here, remember? Nothing more different in Germany than Denmark.

2. The guy is not German. His parrents are Jews from Poland. His ENTIRE family was killed by the Nazis..

3. Nazism is an ideology that doesn't contain any religion in it. The Nazis did not believe in God nor any religion. The reason why they killed the Jews is MUCH more complicated.


Shekwanta... This man is a man of truth. I think you should watch some other debates, lectures or inteviews with him. The man is a LION ... I would wish we had people like him in our umta. Maybe you're just to young to un

derstand him and his points :)
WHAT!!!!!!!!  okay..that man is NOT israeli!!!!!  he clearly said that his both parents were extrimests who worked in these places (forgot their names) where they burned jews in!!!! he exactly said that!!!!!!!!

so u live in DK right!!!!!??  :shades: how can possibly say its the same.....ive been there for more than once (or twice) ive heard good things about u i have also heard that u guys speak english when somebody doesnt understand!!..........english here in germany is like cancer!!! its worse than cancer! NOBODY likes to  speak english here...NOBODY!!!  goes the same for arabic!..............actually!!!! :shades: i was reading some school papers today and there was this paper where u should fill what langauage ur parents speak (turkish, kurdish, polnish...etc)...there was KURDISH but no arabic!!!! can u imagine!!!! kurdish but no arabic!!!!!!!!!....so how is it the same??  :(


no! its not that complicated actually!        ((nazis are extrimist christians!!))
we take this at school several times...and have heard from other diffrent ppl! its because jews killed jesus thats why the nazis kill them!





okay! am NOT too young to understand what the guy in the tape says!...............i am..old enough!  :blush2:
 
lahhoud.m said:
Really now, did anyone of u really listen to what the guy is sayingXD

only 7ayruta seems to have understood itXD

the guy is jewish, and what he says basically is, ;What we are doing to the arabs is what the germans did to us, and because we all respect our grandparents we wil not lower the meaning of their suffering and honor by doing to the arabs what they also suffered from.

7ayruta, thanks for sharing this vid, didnt even know these kind of jews existed, this Dr, Finkelstein is a great man, we really should have someone like him in our parties, the guy isn't afraid to say what's on his mind.

Exactly  :) He is a man of justice. This guy is really a lion ... look at his other interviews, debates or lectures. He destroys every zionist or supporters of this ideology. As said before... I hope we will have people like him, fighting for our case  :)
 
((Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish American political scientist and author, specializing in Jewish-related issues and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was invited to give a speech at the University of Waterloo in which a Jewish girl threw the Holocaust card to criticise him.
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this came with the video!  (written beneath it)        :beee:
 
shekwanta said:
((Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish American political scientist and author, specializing in Jewish-related issues and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was invited to give a speech at the University of Waterloo in which a Jewish girl threw the Holocaust card to criticise him.
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this came with the video!  (written beneath it)        :beee:

Jewish = Israeli....
XD
and shekwanta, I live in The Netherlands, next to you, technically i'm your neighbourXD. half of my familiy lives in Germany, and they are managing fine without problems and racism. I think your view of germany is too negative, most of the germans have problems with turks, since a majority of turks lives in germany... not arabs
 
lahhoud.m said:
Jewish = Israeli....
XD
and shekwanta, I live in The Netherlands, next to you, technically i'm your neighbourXD. half of my familiy lives in Germany, and they are managing fine without problems and racism. I think your view of germany is too negative, most of the germans have problems with turks, since a majority of turks lives in germany... not arabs


I was surprised on my last tour of Turkey how many spoke perfect Deutsch!
 
AssyrianDrummer said:
I was surprised on my last tour of Turkey how many spoke perfect Deutsch!

Yeah, I think it's a custom for the turks in germany to go to turkey on every vacationXD, same with the morrocans in the netherlands, every summer vacation to go back to morroco.
 
shekwanta said:
((Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish American political scientist and author, specializing in Jewish-related issues and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was invited to give a speech at the University of Waterloo in which a Jewish girl threw the Holocaust card to criticise him.
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this came with the video!  (written beneath it)        :beee:

haha, shekwanta just stop commenting on this dude anymore... you totally misunderstood everything in that video :p

AssyrianDrummer said:
I was surprised on my last tour of Turkey how many spoke perfect Deutsch!

proberbly because, as said before, many turks go back to turkey each summer. However, Germans are the largest turist-nation in the world so there is a business in it too
 
7ayruta said:
haha, shekwanta just stop commenting on this dude anymore... you totally misunderstood everything in that video :p
:ROFLMAO:         :blush2:  :blush:

 
   i still think he is a fag!  :shades:  :beee:  :mrgreen:
 
AssyrianDrummer said:
I was surprised on my last tour of Turkey how many spoke perfect Deutsch!

ya assyrian drummer,,  that is because there r lots of turkish people here!! like really ALOT!!!  :blink: .........like, u cant go one inch without seeing at least 1 turkish or at least 1 outlandish!
 
lahhoud.m said:
Jewish = Israeli....
XD
and shekwanta, I live in The Netherlands, next to you, technically i'm your neighbourXD. half of my familiy lives in Germany, and they are managing fine without problems and racism. I think your view of germany is too negative, most of the germans have problems with turks, since a majority of turks lives in germany... not arabs
u do!! thats cool!  :mrgreen:      ive got family (cousins)  in netherlands!  :)
well its not really like u think....i mean, they do have a problem with turks but that goes for arabs and for  people with tanned skin and for everyone that isnt german!  :(
sometimes if they know that u cant speak german (outlandish) they dont answer or they hang up on u (on the phone for example)  or say.....u knooow!....they show u that u are not like them! they think theirselves on top of the world!  but u are right!!!!! i am very negative about them! u r right! i know that about me!....apart of that comes (for example I dont like ppl judging me without knowing me! [cause am sure if they knew me they would like me!!!!  :mrgreen: ]  but these here....these judge by the color of SKIN!! which just drives me--->  :ranting:


:blush:
 
7ayruta said:
Which one of them? Norman? - If yes, then think twice.

Norman indeed.

People seem to not know what Palestinians did during or after the war, or what their aim is.
 
Hanuni said:
Norman indeed.

People seem to not know what Palestinians did during or after the war, or what their aim is.

You mean during WWII?  We at least know what their religious leader was doing.

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Check out my post in the News Section on the Farhud, whose 70th anniversary is today, and see what kind of s**t he was stirring up in Iraq at the same time.  And don't think that just because that event targeted Jews only that it made life any better for Assyrians.  There's a reason our diaspora is so large as well.




And all this talk about the Zionists and Israel doing like the Nazis did has to stop.  It's a ridiculous comparison.  Last time I checked Israel was not loading people into cattle cars to send them to their deaths in gas chambers by the millions.  The Nazi hyperbole is absurd.  You can make a very strong case for the wrongs that Israel, and just about every other nation on earth, does, but seriously quit with the Nazi comparisons.

Finkelstein calls out and makes a strong case for the abuse of the Holocaust Industry by those who constantly reference the Holocaust to gain Jewish sympathy, but the hyperbolic claims of Israel being an equivalent state to that of the Nazis should also just as strongly be called out and denounced.

Zionism, at its core, was a socialist movement to repatriate a homeland that had been stolen from the indigenous people thousands of years ago.  Has it always been right?  No.  But is it similar to what most people here wish for in their own nationalist aspirations?  Yes.  And it's the same thing the Palestinians wish for in their nationalist goals.  This, at its base, is why nationalist movements are flawed and should be denounced from day one.  A nationalist movement of one group of people always comes at the expense of another group of people.  It is not an ideology worth supporting.  At the same time, to single out one nationalist movement as suspect, evil, or illegal and to support another peoples' movement is basically racist or in this case anti-Semitic.
 
You mean during WWII?  We at least know what their religious leader was doing.

That is kinda irelavent because it has nothing to do with todays situation. At all.

And all this talk about the Zionists and Israel doing like the Nazis did has to stop.  It's a ridiculous comparison.  Last time I checked Israel was not loading people into cattle cars to send them to their deaths in gas chambers by the millions.  The Nazi hyperbole is absurd.  You can make a very strong case for the wrongs that Israel, and just about every other nation on earth, does, but seriously quit with the Nazi comparisons.

The comparison of Israel to the agenda of the Nazi state is very equal. Nazi-Germany didn't start out by killing Jews from the beggining. Read the history of the development of the terrorising Nazi Germany. Might start out with "The 25 point program."

The reason as to why you can compare them so close is because Israels agenda is an ethnic cleansing. Just funny how they were targeted by the same agenda that they are doing today. Oh sweet irony...

Zionism, at its core, was a socialist movement to repatriate a homeland that had been stolen from the indigenous people thousands of years ago.  Has it always been right?  No.  But is it similar to what most people here wish for in their own nationalist aspirations?  Yes.  And it's the same thing the Palestinians wish for in their nationalist goals.

No. Explained in a short way; Zionism is not an ideology like others. There are many forms of Zionism but the only thing they have in common is the belief in the Jews having their homeland returned. Now i guess it is fair to say that Jews must have peace too. I am only on the side of the people i believe are oppressed. Now what is the homeland of the Jews? The Zionist belief is that their homeland is what is denounced in the Torah. Do you know how big that really is? From Egypt and it even covers part of Iraq. Have a look:

Genesis 15:18-21 (KJV): In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga****es, and the Jebusites.

Now does that seem nice and fair to you and is to be compared unto other nationalistic movements that wish for a state for their people? Surely not, I hope :) ... That is a f!cking empire and not a nice little "holy land" where Jews can go to Tivoli. However, I DO agree with you about rejecting the nationalist parties. They only lead to arrogance and ignorance which will only lead into conflicts, conflicts, conflicts.


By the way... I think you should stop saying that the mufti oppressing the Jews was anti-semitic. People on this forum, I guess, are well aware of who are semites and who ain't. Arabs are semitic people too, so how could he be anti-HisOwnRace lol.



I do not blindly ignore the bad deeds of a people. However, what the mufti did is not that relevant to the situation today. The Israelis are not terrorizing the Palestinians because of his actions. Well, if you want here is an interview with (my hero) Norman Finkelstein at a Danish televesion-program.

Norman Finkelstein to Jewish journalist in Denmark: You are spouting Israeli propaganda
 
7ayruta said:
That is kinda irelavent because it has nothing to do with todays situation. At all.

It sure does have something to do with today's situation.  This is a man who influenced many people and outright called on all Arabs to murder Jews where they stand.  Given, in the larger context of the Holocaust, he was a marginal figure with very little influence, but his influence in the Arab world was strong and his legacy remains.

7ayruta said:
The comparison of Israel to the agenda of the Nazi state is very equal. Nazi-Germany didn't start out by killing Jews from the beggining. Read the history of the development of the terrorising Nazi Germany. Might start out with "The 25 point program."

The reason as to why you can compare them so close is because Israels agenda is an ethnic cleansing. Just funny how they were targeted by the same agenda that they are doing today. Oh sweet irony...

Nazis did indeed start out with blaming Jews for the problems of the failures of the state.  Hitler used his own Christianity and Nationalism to easily persuade a suffering public to blame the Jews for their problems.  The genocide was only a stone's throw away once the ground work was laid out in the beginning.

7ayruta said:
No. Explained in a short way; Zionism is not an ideology like others. There are many forms of Zionism but the only thing they have in common is the belief in the Jews having their homeland returned. Now i guess it is fair to say that Jews must have peace too. I am only on the side of the people i believe are oppressed. Now what is the homeland of the Jews? The Zionist belief is that their homeland is what is denounced in the Torah. Do you know how big that really is? From Egypt and it even covers part of Iraq. Have a look:

Now does that seem nice and fair to you and is to be compared unto other nationalistic movements that wish for a state for their people? Surely not, I hope :) ... That is a f!cking empire and not a nice little "holy land" where Jews can go to Tivoli. However, I DO agree with you about rejecting the nationalist parties. They only lead to arrogance and ignorance which will only lead into conflicts, conflicts, conflicts.

I don't much care for bible quotes, as I find them irrelevant.  What is relevant to this discussion are the writings and declarations of the early Zionists.  There is no discussion or mention of an empire spanning the Middle East.  It is very specific that the Land of Israel would be in what was called at the time Palestine.  This was what is now modern Israel, the West Bank, and Jordan.  The territory of Jordan was removed from the descriptions of boundary very early on.  So what the Zionists sought in the early 20th century was only the territory of Israel and the West Bank, not some fictional empire that you are creating out of biblical references.  This is simply NOT TRUE and wasn't ever on the table for discussion either with the Balfour Declaration in 1917 or in the Paris Peace Conference in 1919.


7ayruta said:
By the way... I think you should stop saying that the mufti oppressing the Jews was anti-semitic. People on this forum, I guess, are well aware of who are semites and who ain't. Arabs are semitic people too, so how could he be anti-HisOwnRace lol.

Anti-Semitism is specific to Jews.  It is a single word and not a compound word made of two parts.  There is no anti-Arab anti-Semitism, it is simply not the definition of the word.  You cannot redefine the word to suit your needs.  Yes Arabs are Semites, but an anti-Semite is not anti-Arab.  Get your definition straight.


7ayruta said:
I do not blindly ignore the bad deeds of a people. However, what the mufti did is not that relevant to the situation today. The Israelis are not terrorizing the Palestinians because of his actions. Well, if you want here is an interview with (my hero) Norman Finkelstein at a Danish televesion-program.

Are the Kurds allying with the Turks in 1915 not significant to today's current events on the ground?  That khmara caused people to rise up and kill.  Over a million Jews were displaced from their homes in "Arab lands" in the 20th Century (more than double that of the Palestinian displacement-not that it is an excuse, just a fact).  So yes it is very relevant to Jews what this man's actions and words did to them.  A diaspora people always remember who the oppressors are, the stories are passed down from generation to generation and not forgotten, and that influences current discourse and opinion very much.

Again, to reiterate, none of that legitimizes Israel's treatment of the Arabs.  I do believe that the Palestinians should either be given full rights as citizens within a secular Israel or they should be given their own state, free of Jewish settlement and interference.  But Arab treatment of Jews shouldn't be forgotten or glossed over simply because 70 years later the table of power has shifted.  And it is that treatment which is directly responsible for some of Israel's policies, not because they are attempting to emulate the Nazis.  Simply saying that Zionism is Nazism or that Israel are like Hitler's Third Reich is oversimplifying a very complex situation and it also weakens the actual atrocities committed by the Nazis.

By the way, why doesn't anyone ever compare Israel to Mao's China or Stalin's Russia, two much worse states than Germany?  Always wondered that.  Guess that hyperbole isn't as strong a metaphor.  Nothing like rubbing the victims' faces in their own s**t I guess.
 
It sure does have something to do with today's situation.  This is a man who influenced many people and outright called on all Arabs to murder Jews where they stand.  Given, in the larger context of the Holocaust, he was a marginal figure with very little influence, but his influence in the Arab world was strong and his legacy remains.

Uhm... that is just like throwing "yes" and "no" at eachother. The actions Muhammad Al-Husseini have no influene on the situation that is given today. Of course they had great influence further back in time but in the situation given today there is no way that it has an influence. Israel is in power, the Palestinians can't do ****. Maybe you want to explain in what way it affects todays situation, bro :) ?

Nazis did indeed start out with blaming Jews for the problems of the failures of the state.  Hitler used his own Christianity and Nationalism to easily persuade a suffering public to blame the Jews for their problems.  The genocide was only a stone's throw away once the ground work was laid out in the beginning.

I guess yoou should read what I actually wrote. Here is what I said: "The comparison of Israel to the agenda of the Nazi state is very equal. Nazi-Germany didn't start out by killing Jews from the beggining (...)." They blamed the Jews for the economical crisis because they said the Jews had a role in it and therefor commited betrayal.
Honestly... I wouldn't be shocked if the Nazis were right in that. I mean... who has most control in the economical world? - Jews do. It is a well known fact that Jews had their own banking systems that were not registered in the system. However, that was a little off-topic  :oops:
Though read what i said. The Nazis did not start out by killing the Jews. There were years before that. No Hitler did not use Christianity in his politics? The Nazi ideology is also to be called Social-Nationalism. It did not include religion in ANY way. Moussulinis Facism in Italy did, though.

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I don't much care for bible quotes, as I find them irrelevant.

What YOU care about is completly irrelevant because the Zionists do. You can't say that Zionism is a secular ideology because the belief itself has many religious arguments in it and as said the ideology is not a concrete one because there are many forms of Zionism.. including religious.
And that Bible passage is what is the definition of the promised land to the Jews. Ever heard of "From the Nile to Euphrates" before? That is the slogan of the Jewish homeland given to Abraham.

Anti-Semitism is specific to Jews.  It is a single word and not a compound word made of two parts.  There is no anti-Arab anti-Semitism, it is simply not the definition of the word.  You cannot redefine the word to suit your needs.  Yes Arabs are Semites, but an anti-Semite is not anti-Arab.  Get your definition straight.

The term itself was created in a context to tell that the Semitic race was lower than the Caucasian/Aryan race. It was first later that Jewish scholars changed the meaning of the word so that it only concerned them. Why should i except that modern definition that is based on Jewish scholars who changed the original meaning of the word? The word was actually componed by two parts but Jews today want it to be one word so it will only fit them. If they can change the definition of the word why can't others? Especially when others (like me) refer to the actual meaning of the word. That is BS and i reject that :) Get the etymology of the word right.


Are the Kurds allying with the Turks in 1915 not significant to today's current events on the ground?  That khmara caused people to rise up and kill.  Over a million Jews were displaced from their homes in "Arab lands" in the 20th Century (more than double that of the Palestinian displacement-not that it is an excuse, just a fact).  So yes it is very relevant to Jews what this man's actions and words did to them.  A diaspora people always remember who the oppressors are, the stories are passed down from generation to generation and not forgotten, and that influences current discourse and opinion very much.

That is not the case. We are weaker today than the time of the genocide because 2/3 of our population was exterminated and that is the effect of the genocide. Not much more actually...
the Israelis have never been as powerfull as today so those actions have not made an impact in any way. It's kind of ironical... the Holocaust actually made the Jews stronger than ever before lol.

And also, I feel very sorry for those Jews. Again, I do not wish agony and dispair for the Jews. However, those Jews who lived in the Middle-East are a MINORITY in Israel. The population of modern Israel is totally alien to the Middle-East. They consists of Khazars and European Jews mainly. The modern state of Israel even keeps on "importing" immigrants so that their population will always be a majority to the Palestinian. They keep importing so many Asians and Africans do they import lol.

By the way, why doesn't anyone ever compare Israel to Mao's China or Stalin's Russia, two much worse states than Germany?  Always wondered that.  Guess that hyperbole isn't as strong a metaphor.  Nothing like rubbing the victims' faces in their own s**t I guess.

Because they actually do look like their old friends of Germany. Stalins Russia did not have ethnic cleansing in their agenda. Also because the irony of them being victims of ethnic cleansing and now doing it themselves. It would be the same as if you were complaining about your father hitting you but when you got children you started hitting them and people who knew both you and your father would compare you to him. Same principe..

by the way.. have a look at the last video i posted.
 
The God of the Jews is chosen by their god but the real god of the Universe has no Fav... It's just very sad that people would go around and look upon Jewish people as the choosen people wtf is that sounds very racist to me.

Nobody isnt choosen we the one that choose God according to Christaisn wtf I dont know but I thought most real good jews claimed that they dont believe in that whole god choosen people.

What I dont understand is that the Palestinian are actually Israelite that were arabanized... there is a is a israeli documentary about it.... very interesting
 
What I dont understand is that the Palestinian are actually Israelite that were arabanized... there is a is a israeli documentary about it.... very interesting

That is not entirely true. The Palestinian population today is mostly Arab today. Big waves of immigration going from Saudi Arabia --> Egypt --> Palestine. That is why you will find many Palestinians with the surname "Al-Masri" which means "(the) Egyptian." However, the non-Arab part is indeed mixed with Israelite but also many other Levantic semite nations.
I once read somewhere that the Palestinian people actually have more Middle-Eastern Jewish blood in them than the Israeli population itself lol  :giggle:

The Nazi didnt only killed the Jews they killed manys gays, christians, and Roma people

Very true indeed. The Nazis killed lots of gays, people with handicaps, Romas (gypsies), christians... actually religious active people in general. Not to remember the innocent Germans too. The Nazis were thinking of all sorts of weird ways to determine whether a person was Jewish or not... really absurd ways so that many innocent were sent into concentration camps.
 
7ayruta said:
That is not entirely true. The Palestinian population today is mostly Arab today. Big waves of immigration going from Saudi Arabia --> Egypt --> Palestine. That is why you will find many Palestinians with the surname "Al-Masri" which means "(the) Egyptian." However, the non-Arab part is indeed mixed with Israelite but also many other Levantic semite nations.
I once read somewhere that the Palestinian people actually have more Middle-Eastern Jewish blood in them than the Israeli population itself lol  :giggle:

I watch an Isreali documentary they say that there are some Palestinian community that are Jewish closet because many would want to practice their Jewish roots and DNA has been confirmed that they are Jews and are indigenous. Believe me they're all Muslim converts, it's like Assyrians converting to Chaldean catholic. Many of the Christians Palestinians were convert to Islam as well. So it makes you think who is more Jewish blooded people the Palestinian or the white guy from Germany or Poland. LMAO
 
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