***UPDATE OCT 3/07: MAJORITY OF NORTH AMERICAN ADO MEMBERS RESIGN***
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Enki
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Yeah. No clue whats going on. My dad wont speak...lol
But I do know this, my dad was one of the early members of ADO. He went to jail and tortured for ADO. He fled his homeland for ADO. Even in Canada, he still fully backed and worked hard for the ADO.
For him to resign after being involved with it for well over 30 years, I dunno! Something is really fishy!
I also know my dad and Bashir (current ADO leader) were good friends and were members at the same time when they were in Syria. So I dunno whats going on there.
But I do know this, my dad was one of the early members of ADO. He went to jail and tortured for ADO. He fled his homeland for ADO. Even in Canada, he still fully backed and worked hard for the ADO.
For him to resign after being involved with it for well over 30 years, I dunno! Something is really fishy!
I also know my dad and Bashir (current ADO leader) were good friends and were members at the same time when they were in Syria. So I dunno whats going on there.
Shami said:
I'm not discrediting what you said, but that doesn't make any sense (as if anything in Assyrian politics does :shades
. But my point is, how and/or why, would lifelong members (like Riza's dad) leave ADO for a party that is just a baby and has yet to prove itself. Also, Riza said that North American members resigned and didn't say anything about the members in Syria.
Enki
Active member
Yeah see I don't think thats the reason. When my dad was in Syria, Sleaman Yousif and the other former ADO members that now compose ADR, met with my dad to seek his advice/input. I know my dad wasn't too pleased about the idea of breaking away and forming a new entity. So I really don't think this is the reason.
However, its also not too far out of reality. The members of ADR were also long serving and proud members of ADO. Many of which were also jailed. In fact, I don't think the Syrian Government has given Sleaman Yousif his passport yet. They took it away from him a while ago.
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However, its also not too far out of reality. The members of ADR were also long serving and proud members of ADO. Many of which were also jailed. In fact, I don't think the Syrian Government has given Sleaman Yousif his passport yet. They took it away from him a while ago.
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Enki
Active member
Honestly blockness....we have so many things our "enemies" can use against us, this really is insignificant in that point of view. But its significant in that although they were not as active as Zowaa is in North America, they still contributed a lot to the Assyrian community through online articles as well as lectures and seminars.
I know from my personal experience, my dad would write a lot of article for ADO and would also attend and show his support, as well as ADO's, to various Assyrian activities and rallies in the Toronto area. To me, its always significant when a large group of members who have been active for over 30 years all of a sudden decide to leave.
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On a speculative note, I think I may have figured it out.
This is all speculative and from personal experience by the way...
I think Bashir is the worst leader any organization can have. I also strongly believe he's tied in with Ba'ath in some form. Why do I believe this? Very reason why we live in Canada. When the ADO members were arrested, upon their release, they were told they had to become informants to the government and report back any information they can on the Assyrians. I think Bashir has kissed a lot of ass and so is helped in many ways (yes including financially) to retain his "leadership" role of the ADO. My dad refused to be a snitch and so he ran away to avoid it because he knew if he didn't snitch, he'd be back in jail so fast!
Bashir thought, I personally don't like this man. He has no public speaking abilities. He bored me to sleep during the ADO conference in Sweden. He has no respect for others. He looks really high upon himself. Walks with a strut. Just a very very poor and selfish leader if you ask me. I also think he has tarnished and ruin the once strong and great name of the ADO! Luckily, just like Zowaa, they still have very passionate and dedicated members who are still able to retain the great name and to continue the work for its people.
But enough said. I'm just glad I'm not affiliated with any political party. And now that my dads out, you guys wont automatically assume I'm ADO
I know from my personal experience, my dad would write a lot of article for ADO and would also attend and show his support, as well as ADO's, to various Assyrian activities and rallies in the Toronto area. To me, its always significant when a large group of members who have been active for over 30 years all of a sudden decide to leave.
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On a speculative note, I think I may have figured it out.
This is all speculative and from personal experience by the way...
I think Bashir is the worst leader any organization can have. I also strongly believe he's tied in with Ba'ath in some form. Why do I believe this? Very reason why we live in Canada. When the ADO members were arrested, upon their release, they were told they had to become informants to the government and report back any information they can on the Assyrians. I think Bashir has kissed a lot of ass and so is helped in many ways (yes including financially) to retain his "leadership" role of the ADO. My dad refused to be a snitch and so he ran away to avoid it because he knew if he didn't snitch, he'd be back in jail so fast!
Bashir thought, I personally don't like this man. He has no public speaking abilities. He bored me to sleep during the ADO conference in Sweden. He has no respect for others. He looks really high upon himself. Walks with a strut. Just a very very poor and selfish leader if you ask me. I also think he has tarnished and ruin the once strong and great name of the ADO! Luckily, just like Zowaa, they still have very passionate and dedicated members who are still able to retain the great name and to continue the work for its people.
But enough said. I'm just glad I'm not affiliated with any political party. And now that my dads out, you guys wont automatically assume I'm ADO
baklawa
New member
I think ADO is bigger than one person. Riza, you would know better than I, but if what you say is true, and knowing the characteristics of many ADO members, why did they not wrestle control from Saadi, rather than resign and weaken what is really a great organization?
I'm going to have to go back and re-read some articles/interviews of Sulaiman Yousif. If memory serves me right, I don't recall having a very positive impression of him, and if ADO members are joining with him.........geez.
I'm going to have to go back and re-read some articles/interviews of Sulaiman Yousif. If memory serves me right, I don't recall having a very positive impression of him, and if ADO members are joining with him.........geez.
baklawa
New member
Here are the English translations. As with all translations, much is lost, but I think it sort of gives us a glimpse as to the reasons for the resignations:
From the first link:
Urgent news 2007/9/27
The withdrawal of the collective leaders, and officials known in America and Canada, the Organization of the Assyrian Democratic ADO, and even within withdrew from the date of publication of this report:
Abjer Malol, responsible leadership branches IMMIGRANT member of the Central Committee.
Full members of the Branch America, Canada, as follows:
Hard April, official sect member Central Committee.
Emanuel Salmon, a member of the sect, and the official Chicago area.
Nabil Papa, a member of the sect, the official Canada.
Irene In response, a member of the sect, responsible California area
And also withdrew from the Assyrian Democratic Organization, the overwhelming majority of the branch members America and Canada.
This and give details later once we have further information.
26 / 09 / 2007
The second link:
Urgent news
No longer interested in secret affairs Assyrian depth of the crisis of intellectual, political and organizational plaguing Assyrian Democratic Organization for years and which explode from time to time and each time losing to new groups of the finest leaders and cadres from various branches and regions. Years ago withdrew more than half of cadres Branch Sweden and then mass withdrawals from the Political Bureau and Central Committee and then branch of Syria, the withdrawal of most of today's leaders and cadres Branch America and Canada with branches official IMMIGRANT Mr. Abjer Malol and responsible section Mr. hard April. Tomorrow, in Europe, Central Branch. All this is happening because of arrogance and shed some influential persons opportunists based organization, monopolists, and implement its resolution. Of course, in the forefront of whom was responsible political bureau. Where before a ride to serve selfish interests and personal narrow, fortified blocs factional and family Nchaoha and planned years ago for this purpose , abandoned ignoring the organization's goals and withdrew from the political and moral principles and nationalism.
Dear brothers and sisters in the Assyrian Democratic Organization:
He guided the back of each calls and calls made by many nationalists Students and the faithful from within and outside the organization, calling to find out when the current crisis of the organization and deal with it realistically and objectively and in a spirit of national responsibility in preparation for processing, is not lamenting the loss of members of the Organization of leaders and cadres have spent years in the ranks, it can not be sincere in his nationalism or keen on the fate and future of the organization or faithful to the cause of people threatened presence in a difficult and delicate stage requiring standardization efforts is not at the party, but at the national level destruction. What confirms our vision for those in charge of organized clubs: concern - the method Demagogy Allautnet corrupt regimes in our region-months ago distribute medals and decorations and coats blank on the close and loyal and passionate and Alhamrojat ceremonial raising hollow slogans and disbursement of funds in vain, here and there on the golden jubilee of the organization, to convince themselves that there is a national imaginary achievements of the Organization of hand, and cover the Akhagreematham corruption and financial bankruptcy and political, national and public on the other. while it required them to hold meetings on this occasion open dialogue with the cadres and rules of the organization as well as with the public to discuss the Assyrian indeed miserable and the deteriorating by the organization descended clubs, and serious research into the causes of the crises that wandering the testing and evaluation of the past half-century and to draw lessons and lessons from them.
A line nationalist and National Assyrian Democratic Organization, and motivated by a sense of national responsibility, and moral, we are signatories of this statement, Those who withdrew from the organization clubs, we declare our solidarity with the branch America and Canada. We call upon all honest Assyrian faithful, who are inside and outside the organization, to move quickly, before it is too late to save the Organization of determination is inevitable fragmentation and division and fading. The first step we propose are: the formation and temporary alternative leadership of the Organization of the Conference clubs attending general and comprehensive, looking crisis Transnational Organized serious dialogue and transparent, stems from the leadership and reference Aruf consensual and elected a new lead organization in the current stage.
A group of Assyrian withdrawing from the Assyrian Democratic Organization.
منهم:
Sulaiman Yusuf ... Member political office ...
Zuhair Abdu ... Former political bureau member
George Dengo ...... former political bureau member
Jean Malol ..... Branch Command member Syria earlier
Andreas Dengo ..... member of the leadership of a former branch Syria
George Shabo .... A member of the leadership Aleppo earlier
Munir Hanna ...... A member of the leadership of a former Al-Qamshili
Syria 1-October 2007
From the first link:
Urgent news 2007/9/27
The withdrawal of the collective leaders, and officials known in America and Canada, the Organization of the Assyrian Democratic ADO, and even within withdrew from the date of publication of this report:
Abjer Malol, responsible leadership branches IMMIGRANT member of the Central Committee.
Full members of the Branch America, Canada, as follows:
Hard April, official sect member Central Committee.
Emanuel Salmon, a member of the sect, and the official Chicago area.
Nabil Papa, a member of the sect, the official Canada.
Irene In response, a member of the sect, responsible California area
And also withdrew from the Assyrian Democratic Organization, the overwhelming majority of the branch members America and Canada.
This and give details later once we have further information.
26 / 09 / 2007
The second link:
Urgent news
No longer interested in secret affairs Assyrian depth of the crisis of intellectual, political and organizational plaguing Assyrian Democratic Organization for years and which explode from time to time and each time losing to new groups of the finest leaders and cadres from various branches and regions. Years ago withdrew more than half of cadres Branch Sweden and then mass withdrawals from the Political Bureau and Central Committee and then branch of Syria, the withdrawal of most of today's leaders and cadres Branch America and Canada with branches official IMMIGRANT Mr. Abjer Malol and responsible section Mr. hard April. Tomorrow, in Europe, Central Branch. All this is happening because of arrogance and shed some influential persons opportunists based organization, monopolists, and implement its resolution. Of course, in the forefront of whom was responsible political bureau. Where before a ride to serve selfish interests and personal narrow, fortified blocs factional and family Nchaoha and planned years ago for this purpose , abandoned ignoring the organization's goals and withdrew from the political and moral principles and nationalism.
Dear brothers and sisters in the Assyrian Democratic Organization:
He guided the back of each calls and calls made by many nationalists Students and the faithful from within and outside the organization, calling to find out when the current crisis of the organization and deal with it realistically and objectively and in a spirit of national responsibility in preparation for processing, is not lamenting the loss of members of the Organization of leaders and cadres have spent years in the ranks, it can not be sincere in his nationalism or keen on the fate and future of the organization or faithful to the cause of people threatened presence in a difficult and delicate stage requiring standardization efforts is not at the party, but at the national level destruction. What confirms our vision for those in charge of organized clubs: concern - the method Demagogy Allautnet corrupt regimes in our region-months ago distribute medals and decorations and coats blank on the close and loyal and passionate and Alhamrojat ceremonial raising hollow slogans and disbursement of funds in vain, here and there on the golden jubilee of the organization, to convince themselves that there is a national imaginary achievements of the Organization of hand, and cover the Akhagreematham corruption and financial bankruptcy and political, national and public on the other. while it required them to hold meetings on this occasion open dialogue with the cadres and rules of the organization as well as with the public to discuss the Assyrian indeed miserable and the deteriorating by the organization descended clubs, and serious research into the causes of the crises that wandering the testing and evaluation of the past half-century and to draw lessons and lessons from them.
A line nationalist and National Assyrian Democratic Organization, and motivated by a sense of national responsibility, and moral, we are signatories of this statement, Those who withdrew from the organization clubs, we declare our solidarity with the branch America and Canada. We call upon all honest Assyrian faithful, who are inside and outside the organization, to move quickly, before it is too late to save the Organization of determination is inevitable fragmentation and division and fading. The first step we propose are: the formation and temporary alternative leadership of the Organization of the Conference clubs attending general and comprehensive, looking crisis Transnational Organized serious dialogue and transparent, stems from the leadership and reference Aruf consensual and elected a new lead organization in the current stage.
A group of Assyrian withdrawing from the Assyrian Democratic Organization.
منهم:
Sulaiman Yusuf ... Member political office ...
Zuhair Abdu ... Former political bureau member
George Dengo ...... former political bureau member
Jean Malol ..... Branch Command member Syria earlier
Andreas Dengo ..... member of the leadership of a former branch Syria
George Shabo .... A member of the leadership Aleppo earlier
Munir Hanna ...... A member of the leadership of a former Al-Qamshili
Syria 1-October 2007
Free_Assyria
New member
This is bad and they just celebrated 50 years.