Uneducated Assyrians??

babylonx

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How come 90% of assyrian youths today just drop out of highschool or barely finish highschool and then get jobs or become bums? My mom says that in Iraq Assyrians were the smartest and most educated Iraqiyeen and all muslimeen respected us for it. So how come its the opposite here? All the cousins in my family who were born and raised in Iraq went to University but the ones born or raised in the west barely finished highschool??? :confused:
 
Not all of us Western born Assyrians are bums. But I must agree with you, why so many? You walk down Fairfield and it is full of unemployed Assyrians. It's embarrassing.
 
man, in iraq it was the way of life, there was nothing else to do, either study or go to the army (for guys) or get married off young (for girls). studying and having a degree was the only way of being successful or gaining a lil freedom in iraq. PLUS it was seen as something big if u had a degree or were at university/college. ppl showed u alot of respect, esp assyrians. eena lakha if ur seen in a new lexus or merc all the parents say 'ohh mashala basma janokh' without actually realising this guys unemployed.......?

in our countries, u dont wanna study? go get money from the government, in Australia for example, u can get $440 every 2weeks if ur unemployed. the govt pays u not to study/work, but if u wanna study, the govt gives u peanuts, u just cant afford to study andn pay ur bills and eat and buy ur textbooks etc. its the kids from well off families these days that go to uni cos their parents can afford to look after them financially . in our countries there are so many other things u can do , so many other opportunities, schools even encourage u to leave half way thru high school! so studying takes a back seat in alot of cases.

plus over here for example its all about image, school kids are worried about who theyre hanging out with, what fone theyre using, what car theyre seen in etc all that bullshit takes their mind off reality, that u need to be proply educated to make it in this life.

dude bottom line, its all about sex, drugs, hiphop being thugged out and acting like a hardass, thats wat life is these days.....and yeh its bloody embarassing esp when u look at asians/indians
 
OMG, it's terrible that suraya are falling into a "welfare" mentality in Australia and the other countries that pay them to be unemployed and uneducated. All they need to do is see the coomia and see how they will wind up with generational welfare and unemployment. Is that what they want for their futures? But you have the choice to either accept that for yourself or reject it. I wasn't born in Iraq and I have a degree. It's all in what is taught and emphasized in the home and how you see yourself in the future and what you want for yourself. I mean don't the parents stress education and sunday school for their children??? This is a real heart break to hear. People that play the blame game and take the easy way never amount to much. anything worthwhile is worth working for. I never got any type of aid for college yet I worked 2 jobs and studied and it paid off. why do they expect so many hand outs? no self respect or pride? I can see if it's temporary until you get on your feet but always looking for something for nothing will lessen your standard of living in the long run. Very sad to hear this. I had a lot of friends from Iraq and all over the world during my university years and they all studied and worked hard.......maybe in the beginning in early years they were on public aid but quickly got off of it once they had good jobs and they all pulled together now they are all engineers, doctors, lawyers and dentists!
Too many times people use the excuse that there's so much freedom in the West. But just break one law and see how free you really are. Freedom isn't free, you have to pay the price, you have to sacrifice for your liberty. I think they need to get back to the church. OK, if you're not getting what you need from your own nationalities church and if it's too corrupt then branch out. Many of the Presbyterian, Evangelical, Baptist, Methodist, Protestant churches teach directly from the bible and have wonderful youth programs for the youth, teens.........this will save them. Sometimes, in life, you need to "seek out" what is right for you. Especially, as parents, they should seek out what is good for their children to guide them on the right path in life.
 
LaDyMiDeAsT said:
90%? :blink: ..nah I don't think so

maybe the ppl you know are uneducated so you claim theres a lot of them..

its 90%+ atleast...dont just look at your group of friends or whatever...
out of random people you see in church, your cousins, etc...out of 100 assyrians probably only 7 are in university. If alot of assyrians were educated and held high position jobs then they could influence western politicians to do all kind of good things for the assyrians back home. Same way that Jews make the U.S. give Israel free weapons. I doubt the U.S. would give Israel free weapons if most American Jews just worked construction, in gas stations or window factories!
 
babylonx said:
LaDyMiDeAsT said:
90%? :blink: ..nah I don't think so

maybe the ppl you know are uneducated so you claim theres a lot of them..

its 90%+ atleast...dont just look at your group of friends or whatever...
out of random people you see in church, your cousins, etc...out of 100 assyrians probably only 7 are in university. If alot of assyrians were educated and held high position jobs then they could influence western politicians to do all kind of good things for the assyrians back home. Same way that Jews make the U.S. give Israel free weapons. I doubt the U.S. would give Israel free weapons if most American Jews just worked construction, in gas stations or window factories!

i agree with u 100% fady!! maybe i'll see u tonight and we'll talk about this.. and prove our case by doing a research, how about we start at dooleys?
 
babylonx said:
How come 90% of assyrian youths today just drop out of highschool or barely finish highschool and then get jobs or become bums? My mom says that in Iraq Assyrians were the smartest and most educated Iraqiyeen and all muslimeen respected us for it. So how come its the opposite here? All the cousins in my family who were born and raised in Iraq went to University but the ones born or raised in the west barely finished highschool??? :confused:

damn good question. it's the paradox of belonging to parents that sacrifice to make a better living for their children, while the children strive to make a more difficult living for the parents.

Some people cant afford, uni. that's fine, but if youre in America there's no reason to not be able to afford college. We havea military that pays almost 100% of tuition for a couple years of service, or even reserves. I encourage the military option among our youth. It did wonders for me. I was one of the 'lost and searching' assyrians, but I learned a few things in the military that mom and dad couldnt teach. It's an awesome base to develop your adult life. If anyone of you have questions pertaining to the miltary option, bull$hit recruiters, or branch issues, send me a pm. Im even considering going back, especially since the job market hasnt been friendly.
 
Malka_shomana said:
i agree with u 100% fady!! maybe i'll see u tonight and we'll talk about this.. and prove our case by doing a research, how about we start at dooleys?

LOL. Question each Assyrian who enters Dooley's about their education, if me and you dont go, then even my 90% theory will be wrong since it will be 100% lol
 
Francis D'Anconia said:
damn good question. it's the paradox of belonging to parents that sacrifice to make a better living for their children, while the children strive to make a more difficult living for the parents.

Some people cant afford, uni. that's fine, but if youre in America there's no reason to not be able to afford college. We havea military that pays almost 100% of tuition for a couple years of service, or even reserves. I encourage the military option among our youth. It did wonders for me. I was one of the 'lost and searching' assyrians, but I learned a few things in the military that mom and dad couldnt teach. It's an awesome base to develop your adult life. If anyone of you have questions pertaining to the miltary option, bull$hit recruiters, or branch issues, send me a pm. Im even considering going back, especially since the job market hasnt been friendly.

I agree with this gentleman, if someone wants to educate themselves there are many options. But one theory that i think why alot of Assyrians are uneducated is because their parents are not educated. Most educated Assyrian youths now a days have parents who were teachers,doctors,lawyers,engineer back in big Iraqi cities like Baghdad, Mosel,Basra,etc. The uneducated Assyrian youth's parents were mostly uneducated who lived in villages in northern Iraq and fled to Turkey when the war started. So i guess like father like son.
 
I love this topic !

Before I start babylonx you said:

Most educated Assyrian youths now a days have parents who were teachers,doctors,lawyers,engineer back in big Iraqi cities like Baghdad, Mosel,Basra,etc. The uneducated Assyrian youth's parents were mostly uneducated who lived in villages in northern Iraq and fled to Turkey when the war started. So i guess like father like son.

I completely disagree with you here. My parents are not the most educated people however, my brother has already graduated post-secondary and I'm in the midst of completing my final year. If this was an opinion, I think you should have stated so, instead of making it appear as though this is fact. This is far from the fact. I know a handful of Assyrians who's parents were professors back in Iraq, Doctors etc..and their children are probably the biggest bums, can't hold a job, have not even spent a year in highschool or any other learning institution.

I think this is a stigma that has been attached to Assyrian people. We are a generally uneducated population. I dont understand what the reasons are for this but I have my own opinions.

This is my opinion on why a lot of people who immigrate out of Iraq or elsewhere in the M.E. fall into this cycle:

When a family decides to leave their home in Iraq or wherever and immigrate to Canada or the U.S. they are generally leaving with nothing. They arrive in a country where they may not know anyone. They have to build their lives from scratch. In a lot of circumstances, the family has a major language and communicative barrier so they are inclined to find jobs that pay peanuts. Because of that, the parents are forced to drag their children into the workforce in order to collect enough money just for bare survival. Education takes a backseat to work/survival.

Once the family has settled into their new lives, it is know 'too late' for their children to go out and educate themselves. So now they too are forced to accept poor paying jobs that consist of hard physical labour and that have no potential for growth.

NOW for the ones who are born in the West or raised here when they were very very young.

These people here are the ones who bug me. These are the people who had their parents give up their lives in Iraq or wherever to come to a country that would offer more for their children.

These are the people who take the easy way out (in most circumstances)...I don't look down upon anyone without an education, but if it is for a legitimate reason. I don't think not liking school is a legitimate reason.

I don't understand why someone would choose a 12-12 job over a 9-5 job? or WHY someone would prefer to work in a cold factory over a nice warm office?? I mean, we are provided with the luxury of being able to attend school freely, and yet we fail to take advantage of it.

If you can't afford post secondary institutions because they are too expensive, there are SO many other methods of funding..Bursaries, OSAP, scholarships, various student loans. Unless various methods are utilised or even investigated there is no way of saying someone 'tried.

It's a real shame that we, as a community, choose to throw away or ignore the resources we are given. Especially since we are born already placed in the middle of a dire situation.
 
But one theory that i think why alot of Assyrians are uneducated is because their parents are not educated. Most educated Assyrian youths now a days have parents who were teachers,doctors,lawyers,engineer back in big Iraqi cities like Baghdad, Mosel,Basra,etc. The uneducated Assyrian youth's parents were mostly uneducated who lived in villages in northern Iraq and fled to Turkey when the war started. So i guess like father like son.
My parents aren't educated, nor are they by any means wealthy, yet I'm in my 3rd year of university now. Scholarships... man's best friend. If you want to have an education, all you gotta do is try.

I feel inclined to blame parents for the lack of education in assyrian youth. Many parents put too much emphasis on wealth/marriage/etc... they still have that damned iraqi mentality that is so archaic. Few stress the importance of an education. But then again, in the end, it's upto the individual: if you want to make it somewhere in life, you'll work hard at it, regardless of what your parents think.

That's my .02
 
My parents aren't educated, nor are they by any means wealthy, yet I'm in my 3rd year of university now. Scholarships... man's best friend. If you want to have an education, all you gotta do is try.

I agree with this person..there are various options when it comes to obtaining funds for school, lord knows not everyone who is in college/university comes from a wealthy family who can afford 6 G's a year cash.
 
LOL. Sorry guys i forgot to say what i said was JUST A THEORY that i assumed. However, based on the majority of Assyrians, it has some relevance to it. The amount of Assyrians with uneducated parents who make it to college or university and Assyrians with educated parents who become bums is very low i think. Again this is NOT a fact!!! Also i agree with Nore about the Assyrians who have to work and support their family instead of getting an education because i personally know some people who were in that situation...
 
Most of the peple replying to this are North Americans so it is possible that what I am describing may not make sense.

Back in the late 80s when the church was being built in Sydney, Mar Melis being the project master was after Assyrian tradesmen to help build the church. With so many Assyrians in Sydney, there was not one single tradesperson. Electricians, bricklayers, etc. It was pathetic.

It's not just education (as I said, I am talking about Sydney) but using your talents. Some people are seriously useless in school and going to university is not going to help them, but they have other talents which with Assyrians, they don't seem to use. Look at our Croatian and Maltese communities. They have a low percentage of University graduates but take a look at their houses and cars, you see that it was not education that got them those things but sheer hard work. Nearly every Croatan or Maltese person I met are tradespeople. Plumbers, bricklayers, electricians, carpenters, etc. They too came to Australia with nothing so this pathetic excuse by Assyrians is just that, a pathetic excuse.

Why is it that Assyrians who are hopeless at school don't get themselves an apprenticeship which leads to a great and long lasting career, where in most cases, you will be your own boss, rather than sitting outside of Diana's in Fairfield? (Does that place still exist?) Why aren't Assyrians producing more Andre Agassis or even Imad Babas (Pablo Aimar is still uncomfirmed LOL) on the sporting fields? Surely not all Assyrians are like me and hopeless playing sports.

It's not just education, there are ther ways to better yourself. But Assyrians choose the "Do nothing" option in so many cases.
 
By education we also mean the accumulation of wealth and power which lead to the ability of influencing others. So whether you do it as a doctor or a plumber who succeeds at what he does then has 50 plumbers working under him it doesnt make a difference. Like you said, most of us are lazy and dont care.
 
babylonx said:
How come 90% of assyrian youths today just drop out of highschool or barely finish highschool and then get jobs or become bums? My mom says that in Iraq Assyrians were the smartest and most educated Iraqiyeen and all muslimeen respected us for it. So how come its the opposite here? All the cousins in my family who were born and raised in Iraq went to University but the ones born or raised in the west barely finished highschool??? :confused:

Nasha come to San Jose. Most every Assyrian I talk to are business or engineering majors. It is the sign of the times and we live in Silicon Vally. I have yet to meet an "uneducated" assyrian. I have heard stories, but I can't vouch for your 90%. I am not impying you're wrong, but different areas yield different results.
 
By education we also mean the accumulation of wealth and power which lead to the ability of influencing others
Well since you put it like that, it's clear why more assyrians don't get an education: there are easier ways to money and influence than getting into med school or any other professional schools. If succeeding in academics only required the will to be rich in the future, then university would be a breeze. Unfortunately, I know lots of people in my class who started off first year with dreams of being a doctor/dentist/etc so that they can buy cars/property/whatever later on in life. Now they find themselves struggling to pass courses.

If you're not intrisically motivated by the thought of actually pursuing a certain career, then chances are you won't get far in university. It has to be more than just money and power. Maybe that's what assyrian parents should be teaching their youth. It's about self-actualization. Education itself is a reward.
 
RadRides said:
Nasha come to San Jose. Most every Assyrian I talk to are business or engineering majors. It is the sign of the times and we live in Silicon Vally. I have yet to meet an "uneducated" assyrian. I have heard stories, but I can't vouch for your 90%. I am not impying you're wrong, but different areas yield different results.

Then let me modify that theorem to 100% of assyrians worldwide minus the San Hose Assyrians(10% of world population) = 90% lol
 
babylonx said:
RadRides said:
Nasha come to San Jose. Most every Assyrian I talk to are business or engineering majors. It is the sign of the times and we live in Silicon Vally. I have yet to meet an "uneducated" assyrian. I have heard stories, but I can't vouch for your 90%. I am not impying you're wrong, but different areas yield different results.

Then let me modify that theorem to 100% of assyrians worldwide minus the San Hose Assyrians(10% of world population) = 90% lol

:mrgreen:
 
i guess to much freedom is the cause of drop out...

even those that drop out are still smart, to bad they make the wrong choices in thier life and one of the wrong choice is chosing fun at a young age rather than education!


sad, so sad :(
 
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