Two Examples that Non Christian Minorities are getting their way

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ACANA

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Christian Canada, USA and even the western European countries are doomed. Latest examples of this theory:

The first is Ontario Premier (Governor) is trying to remove the lord's (Christian) prayer from the Ontario Legislature (parliament).

The second is an Ontario court has ruled in favor of a Sikh for not wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle because he was wearing his turban. The sick said that he has to wear a turban 24/7 and by wearing a helmet would go against his religious believes.

Looks like the west will never learn from the past i.e. 911.

Have you noticed that ever since non Christians came to these countries things are changing everyday. 



 
I've also noticed that wearing a turban while riding a motorcycle has nothing to do whatsoever with Christianity..
 
You seem to miss my point. These non Christians keep want to change the laws for thier own good. He is claiming that his religion forbids him to wear nothing else than a turban.
 
Also, something else I have noticed: you've proclaimed there to be a 'Christian USA'.. When this isn't the case. There is nothing mentioned about Christianity or a Christian God in the declaration of independance - the country was found on this/created its own identity. Thomas Jefferson was Deist and opposed this specification or allignment even..

Both your examples mention Ontario - how is this USA or western Europe anyway?

Things are always changing, all the time. Imagine how the native Americans feel having white people maraud around their country all these years. Or the Aboriginals? etc.. Things change. We dont pay enough attention to things that suit us for the better, do we?
 
Isnt this post in the wrong area? move it to where it belongs... the Chit Chat area is like a pub, no politics no religion!
 
ACANA, when I heard about this, I was fuming at this idiot Mcguinty! wow how much more frustrating can he be. It is like reading the Christian Lord's prayer is like reading a devil's prayer!!!!

Sure we are a multi-cultural society, but that doesn't mean everything has to change to tailor to the rest. I wonder if Canada's flag will eventually change to reflect all flags of the ethnic communities that live here.

This is certainly going the wrong path.

Can you imagine the US congress opening with a Muslim prayer?

BY THE WAY, DALTON MCGUINTY IS LIBERAL!

I never voted for him anyway!.


ASHOOR
 
And no worries guys, I will be moving it soon, because I would like to debate this even more, on religious basis and political basis.

ASHOOR
 
Living in Canada for many years now, gradully I see laws and things change just to appease the non Christian immigrant. As I can see you are from UK and I have seen the devistations (terrorist bombings) that is brought upon the country by the forigners. This is all becuase of the loose laws and freedoms of these countries.

This is what is happening here in Canada and USA. Non Christainas asking to change prayers in schools, police uniforms, have faces covered when taking a licence picture, and bringing Sharia law to the country.

You say things change, I say why. What is wrong with newsomers obyeying the law of the land.
 
ACANA said:
Living in Canada for many years now, gradully I see laws and things change just to appease the non Christian immigrant. As I can see you are from UK and I have seen the devistations (terrorist bombings) that is brought upon the country by the forigners. This is all becuase of the loose laws and freedoms of these countries.

This is what is happening here in Canada and USA. Non Christainas asking to change prayers in schools, police uniforms, have faces covered when taking a licence picture, and bringing Sharia law to the country.

You say things change, I say why. What is wrong with newsomers obyeying the law of the land.
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it is what it is. you cant have an athiest swear to god when hes going under oath  can you?? No because it would defeat the purpose of swearing to god since he doesnt believe in him. Our country has to accomadate to who the people that are living in it. this country was founded on freedom of religion so if the rules we have are for a specific different religion then it has to change.
the people who get the laws change from what we see on the news here are most of the time athiests and people who dont believe in any religion as opposed to others.
 
Bookta, are you trying to say it is ok with you for people to ask for vailed faces when taking licence pictures.

Not all athesist or Jews ask to change laws. Jews and atheists were here before us and there were still lords prayer in schools. Ever since we got muslims, sickhs and indians things are changing.
 
ACANA said:
Bookta, are you trying to say it is ok with you for people to ask for vailed faces when taking licence pictures.

Not all athesist or Jews ask to change laws. Jews and atheists were here before us and there were still lords prayer in schools. Ever since we got muslims, sickhs and indians things are changing.
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Think again about that.
 
ACANA said:
Christian Canada, USA and even the western European countries are doomed. Latest examples of this theory:

The first is Ontario Premier (Governor) is trying to remove the lord's (Christian) prayer from the Ontario Legislature (parliament).

The second is an Ontario court has ruled in favor of a Sikh for not wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle because he was wearing his turban. The sick said that he has to wear a turban 24/7 and by wearing a helmet would go against his religious believes.

Looks like the west will never learn from the past i.e. 911.

Have you noticed that ever since non Christians came to these countries things are changing everyday. 
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You are so right ACANA, I see it everyday too, when I came to Canada I went to high school where they deceided they have to vote or discuss Christmass decoration meanwhile special halls were reserved for Moslems to pray !!!!!
you cannot say Merry CHristmass while the doors gets wide open for other( specially Moslems) to practice their belive  right infront of your eyes...
Hindus and other ethnic groups are not bad as Moslem community is, because those are the one who tries to get more than their rights then they go after other ppl. like us Christian

I always say 20-30 max 50 years this country will be ruled by Moslem, the problem is WHERE CAN WE GO THEN ???????

whenever I get the chance to speak to Canadian( meaning white ppl.) I always tell them what is gonna happen to them if they let this going on and on....
so, for the next election do not vote for stupid Libral, vote for conservativ at least they are trying hard not to open doors for them
The problem with Islam is they force you to abide by their rules,, if we dont open our eyes to this matter we could weare BURKA in the next 10 or 20 years . They will outnumber every other religious group, soon Christian will become minority if they are not yet,, I notice alot of our youth on this website they do not like to be on the Christian, Conservativ, or Republican ,,, but everyone will regret that belive me.
In case some ppl. forget whatever privileges we have, freedom we enjoy, the right to speak up it all came and was baised on Christian believe,,, it is not bad to seperate relegion and State, the problem is when you seperate (Christian) religion and replace it with other ( like Islam)
 
MJaY said:
There is nothing mentioned about Christianity or a Christian God in the declaration of independance - the country was found on this/created its own identity. Thomas Jefferson was Deist and opposed this specification or allignment even..
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Exactly, many of the "founding fathers" were opposed to the concept of organised religion, so to consider the US a country found on Christian beliefs is naive.

Countries change to adapt to their new demographics, this happened when Australia/North & South America were all invaded and their indigenous people reduced to a minority in their own country.

 
Shami said:
And ?Secularism? is not a religion? Think about it people.

Define Religion and define what it means to have politics without religion.

Before this turns into an attack against the Christian faith, lets think for a second about the new world religious called ?Secularism??

Oh wait that may be too much to think about? sorry guys? sorry? keep going, and ignore me.
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We won't ignore you!  :bigarmhug:

A secular government does not mean a secular society.  It means the government is absolutely neutral on religion, regardless of which one, where as society, and the people who make it up, are free to practice or not practice as long as their practice does not interfere with the freedoms (religious, economic, political, etc.) of another.  It is a secular government's duty to ensure no religion - NONE - interfere with governance, nor permeate society to a point where secularism is threatened.  If a religion is not compatible with secularism, then at some point, they will clash.  But if something is okay for one religion with the permission and active engagement of the STATE (school prayer, religious court systems, etc.)...then it is okay for all of the religions.
 
You are exactly right Tears of Assyria, Christmas Tree has been changed to Holiday Tree. Merry CHristams has been changed to Happy Holidays.

Expect more changes to come. Where do we immigrate next?
 
So, for you Christians (no, don't worry, for the sensitive bunch of you, I'm not using that term as an insult), it's perfectly acceptable if the law caters to you and your religion, but no one else's?  This is not a rhetorical question by the way. 

Every time I hear/read anyone complaining about how the US or Canada or any other Western country is trying to erase Christianity from the system, I start to wonder why the hell these people ever decided to live in those countries.  I mean this most especially for people who immigrated to the West.  No one could stop such people from returning to the countries of their birth, so, they must want to reside in these Western countries for a reason.  Ummm, might it be freedom of religion?  Surely, it wasn't as easy to be a Christian in Iraq, Iran, Syria, and most other Middle Eastern countries.  Surely, one of the reasons these Christians left their homelands is so that they could practice their Christian faith in peace and without worry of persecution.  Surely, they found it deplorable that they were being oppressed, religiously, by their own government, and surely they were against Islam being inscribed into the law in ways that would affect their lives.  Yet, despite their own personal experiences with a religion being used to quiet them, shackle them, and nearly destroy them, they seem to be content with allowing their own religion to hold a similar place within the law in Western countries.  No problems; no questions asked.

If you're so faithful, I would think you wouldn't need the legal system to mirror and therefore support your beliefs.
 
shamirum said:
So, for you Christians (no, don't worry, for the sensitive bunch of you, I'm not using that term as an insult), it's perfectly acceptable if the law caters to you and your religion, but no one else's?  This is not a rhetorical question by the way. 

Every time I hear/read anyone complaining about how the US or Canada or any other Western country is trying to erase Christianity from the system, I start to wonder why the hell these people ever decided to live in those countries.  I mean this most especially for people who immigrated to the West.  No one could stop such people from returning to the countries of their birth, so, they must want to reside in these Western countries for a reason.  Ummm, might it be freedom of religion?  Surely, it wasn't as easy to be a Christian in Iraq, Iran, Syria, and most other Middle Eastern countries.  Surely, one of the reasons these Christians left their homelands is so that they could practice their Christian faith in peace and without worry of persecution.  Surely, they found it deplorable that they were being oppressed, religiously, by their own government, and surely they were against Islam being inscribed into the law in ways that would affect their lives.  Yet, despite their own personal experiences with a religion being used to quiet them, shackle them, and nearly destroy them, they seem to be content with allowing their own religion to hold a similar place within the law in Western countries.  No problems; no questions asked.

If you're so faithful, I would think you wouldn't need the legal system to mirror and therefore support your beliefs.
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those sensetive (like me)  Christian are afraid Of Islam wiping off the West  we know PERIOD, when that happen, YOU will not have the privilige to type your openion on your PC, because you have to wear BURKA, share your husband with 3 women, cook and take care  of children.. look back 35 years ago there was no mentioning of Islam in the West, today sensetive Christian like me, have their rights replaced by giving more right to so called ethinic minorities..
wait guys that day will come when non Moslem will bite their lips saying Okh mowidlan bganan
 
ACANA said:
Christian Canada, USA and even the western European countries are doomed. Latest examples of this theory:

The first is Ontario Premier (Governor) is trying to remove the lord's (Christian) prayer from the Ontario Legislature (parliament).

The second is an Ontario court has ruled in favor of a Sikh for not wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle because he was wearing his turban. The sick said that he has to wear a turban 24/7 and by wearing a helmet would go against his religious believes.
Looks like the west will never learn from the past i.e. 911.

Have you noticed that ever since non Christians came to these countries things are changing everyday. 
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I'm sorry, I didn't even bother reading this entire thread, its just that this really cracked me up hahaha!

I'm imagining some Hells Angels type indian/paki motorcycle clan... but instead of leather jackets, they have leather turbans hahaha!

Ok i'll stop.
 
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