Turkey vs Kurdistan

[Nemrud]

Who is winning? According to this map turkey has conquered alot of land, I go for turkey. I would really want the Kurds to win but l dont think that will happen, because turkey got one of the best army in the world,
USA being nr 1. Clearly the Kurds got No choice but to surrender or to face death, btw l know There are Kurds in this forum even though its suppose to be an assyrian forum, so dont get pissed of for my preduction.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_military_operation_in_Afrin#/media/File%3AOperation_Olive_Branch.svg

 

[Nemrud]

I really feel sorry for the Kurds, l mean they really want a country so bad, and then they are so many of them, one of the largest ethnic groups without a country. They even deserve it more than us, because they are fighting for it, what the hell are we doing, facking Lazy assholes No offense, okay, We might trying to protect ourselves but While the Kurds building a state we are just watching.

 

[Nemrud]

Dont get angry, l might have missed something hehe

 

[SonOfAssyria]

I really feel sorry for the Kurds, l mean they really want a country so bad, and then they are so many of them, one of the largest ethnic groups without a country. They even deserve it more than us, because they are fighting for it, what the hell are we doing, facking Lazy assholes No offense, okay, We might trying to protect ourselves but While the Kurds building a state we are just watching.

That's the thing, they already have their own country though. It's Iran.

 

[Nemrud]

That's the thing, they already have their own country though. It's Iran.

But why do they want to seperate themselves from them? They say they are NorthWest Iranian While the other are South West iranians... Do u think Kurds should separate themselves from other iranians?

 

[SonOfAssyria]

But why do they want to seperate themselves from them? They say they are NorthWest Iranian While the other are South West iranians... Do u think Kurds should separate themselves from other iranians?

No, I don't think they should seperate themselves from other Iranians. If they do want to make their own country, they should make it in the part of Iran that they originate from. They have no business creating a country anywhere else.

 

[Nemrud]

No, I don't think they should seperate themselves from other Iranians. If they do want to make their own country, they should make it in the part of Iran that they originate from. They have no business creating a country anywhere else.

They will get a country for sure, someday in the future, probably in assyria. If they get a country we should too, We are The indigenous ethnic group of Iraq, in the nineveh plains is our future country, i just hope that we get mosul(nineveh) also in the future, making it our capital. If we wont get it bakhdida will surely be it, being the largest city in the nineveh plains and the famous.

 

[SonOfAssyria]

They will get a country for sure, someday in the future, probably in assyria. If they get a country we should too, We are The indigenous ethnic group of Iraq, in the nineveh plains is our future country, i just hope that we get mosul(nineveh) also in the future, making it our capital. If we wont get it bakhdida will surely be it, being the largest city in the nineveh plains and the famous.

Our homeland is the entirety of Mesopotamia, not just the Nineveh Plains or Northern Iraq. Even if the Kurds do get a country in our homeland, which in my opinion is very unlikely, I can assure you it won't last half a century. It is also unlikely that we can reclaim all of Mesopotamia at once, so I think the Nineveh Plains is the best place for us to start and hopefully we will slowly be able to expand our borders and reclaim the entirety of our homeland.

 

[Nemrud]

Our homeland is the entirety of Mesopotamia, not just the Nineveh Plains or Northern Iraq. Even if the Kurds do get a country in our homeland, which in my opinion is very unlikely, I can assure you it won't last half a century. It is also unlikely that we can reclaim all of Mesopotamia at once, so I think the Nineveh Plains is the best place for us to start and hopefully we will slowly be able to expand our borders and reclaim the entirety of our homeland.

Our homeland is the entirety of Mesopotamia, not just the Nineveh Plains or Northern Iraq. Even if the Kurds do get a country in our homeland, which in my opinion is very unlikely, I can assure you it won't last half a century. It is also unlikely that we can reclaim all of Mesopotamia at once, so I think the Nineveh Plains is the best place for us to start and hopefully we will slowly be able to expand our borders and reclaim the entirety of our homeland.

I know but we are most connected to the ancient assyrians, thats why when someone mention our name they think of the ancient assyrians. Thats also why our history doesnt mention babylonians etc Only old assyrian empire till neo assyrian empire, We are descendants of all Mesopotamians but our connection is with assyria, thats a fact.

 

[mrzurnaci]

Turkey is winning in the long-term. Since Turkey is a NATO ally, they're equipped with some of the most advanced weapons. Kurds in Turkey are at a severe disadvantage against Ankara.

For Kurds to win, one thing they need is heavy outside support but this is blocked out due to diplomacy efforts by Turkey and Turkish foreign policy of assertiveness against the PYG/PYD Kurds of Syria.

the PYG/PYD Kurds, of all Kurdish groups, has the strongest capability of fighting Turkey since they're supported by the USA and other groups but Turkey is exercising its power by blocking Kurds from gaining access to the Mediterranean Sea.

Another thing is, Kurds of Turkey live in a seriously underdeveloped part of Turkey. Turkey isn't worried about the rising Birth rate of Kurds because 1. numbers aren't everything and 2. what good are your numbers if most of those numbers aren't quality soldiers?

 

[ASHOOR]

Good discussion. I actually came here to post about the ongoing Turkish incursion into Afrin and saw that we have this thread.

I just read this and I am sure Kurds must be fuming. Not only did their hateful enemy the Turks take over their city, they are now attacking their culture.


Turkish forces seize control of Syrian town of Afrin and celebrate by tearing down statue of Kurdish hero

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/afrin-turkey-syria-forces-seize-control-tear-down-statue-kawa-a8262111.html

Ashoor

 

[mrzurnaci]

Good discussion. I actually came here to post about the ongoing Turkish incursion into Afrin and saw that we have this thread.

I just read this and I am sure Kurds must be fuming. Not only did their hateful enemy the Turks take over their city, they are now attacking their culture.


Turkish forces seize control of Syrian town of Afrin and celebrate by tearing down statue of Kurdish hero

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/afrin-turkey-syria-forces-seize-control-tear-down-statue-kawa-a8262111.html

Ashoor

Kurds are now learning the hard way of what Assyrians went through for hundreds of years. Maybe they'll understand why we need a region of our own now. Hopefully they'll also learn what kind of religion Islam is and what kind of people it creates.

 

[Nemrud]

The kurds will lose because noone is supporting them, they dont even have advanced weapon! what the hell are you talking about, what is this bullshit, of course l want them to win but it wont happen.

 

[Nemrud]

The point is that NOBODY is willing to help Turkey. Turks can't do anything. Just barking like always. Kurds lost Afrin because of Putin. Putin had power ONLY in Afrin and he betrayed Kurds. But Putin has NO power in other parts of Kurdistan (including Rojava). So Putin can't blackmail Kurds any further. Putin is supporting Erdogan only to troll America. But America is much more powerful than Russia, so America will not fall in the trap of Putin. Sooner or later relation between Turkey and Russia will go down again and Turkey will be forced to listen to the USA terms. Turkey will do what America will tell Turkey to do. Turks are in the corner and have no choices.

Persia is much more independent that Turkey and at this moment Iran is the rising star in the Middle East. Iran wants to destroy Israel and the only country that can stop Iran is GREAT Kurdistan.

If Americans abandon the Kurds, Iran will become even more powerful. That's why in short terms the USA will not betray the Kurds. In long terms the USA can betray the Kurds, but Kurds have plan B if Americans betray the Kurds we will join the Persians and make Persians even more powerful.


It is all part of the game. Kurds are the King Makers. Those who support the Kurds and GREAT Kurdistan will win.

KURDS WILL LOSE BIGH TIME! Turkey says their economy hasnt effected from the war, they have advanced weapons, usa doesnt support kurds anymore because turkey is usas nato ally, they wont betray turkey, noone give a shite about kurdistan, kurdistan will never be independent, l am sorry ezidi kurd, l want rojava to win but it wont happen.

 

[Nemrud]

Turkey is winning in the long-term. Since Turkey is a NATO ally, they're equipped with some of the most advanced weapons. Kurds in Turkey are at a severe disadvantage against Ankara.

For Kurds to win, one thing they need is heavy outside support but this is blocked out due to diplomacy efforts by Turkey and Turkish foreign policy of assertiveness against the PYG/PYD Kurds of Syria.

the PYG/PYD Kurds, of all Kurdish groups, has the strongest capability of fighting Turkey since they're supported by the USA and other groups but Turkey is exercising its power by blocking Kurds from gaining access to the Mediterranean Sea.

Another thing is, Kurds of Turkey live in a seriously underdeveloped part of Turkey. Turkey isn't worried about the rising Birth rate of Kurds because 1. numbers aren't everything and 2. what good are your numbers if most of those numbers aren't quality soldiers?

i really wish they win but l dont think it will happen.

 

[nejepnerast]

Although i was hoping for some heroic stand by PKK/YPG which they are quite capable of doing , i'm glad they just withdraw . Many lives were saved and PKK is still intact to fight another day . Traditional wars does not suit them and bleeding turkey slowly is the right strategy .

 

[mrzurnaci]

Although i was hoping for some heroic stand by PKK/YPG which they are quite capable of doing , i'm glad they just withdraw . Many lives were saved and PKK is still intact to fight another day . Traditional wars does not suit them and bleeding turkey slowly is the right strategy .

see if Assyrians had Assyria and Assyria was helped established by Kurds, we would've given you a healthy amount of weapons and medical to really eff up Turkey. Trust me on this one because we Assyrians (and Armenians no doubt) would love to get revenge on Turkey as well as help establish a country for Kurds so why not kill two Turkeys with one stone?

Putting "what-ifs" aside for reality now, trying to slowly bleed out Turkey is not going to work in the long run at all. Turkey's comprehensive counter-strategy against the PKK is very effective and puts them in a short + long term advantage.

 

[nejepnerast]

see if Assyrians had Assyria and Assyria was helped established by Kurds, we would've given you a healthy amount of weapons and medical to really eff up Turkey. Trust me on this one because we Assyrians (and Armenians no doubt) would love to get revenge on Turkey as well as help establish a country for Kurds so why not kill two Turkeys with one stone?

You are beginning to see the big picture , remember the country that is turkey today used to belong to Assyrian , Kurds and Armenian . The turks are actually foreigner and have nothing to do with this region .

Putting "what-ifs" aside for reality now, trying to slowly bleed out Turkey is not going to work in the long run at all. Turkey's comprehensive counter-strategy against the PKK is very effective and puts them in a short + long term advantage.

You have to learn to be patient , everything is temporary and nothing lasts forever . Turkey will fall one day and you have to prepare for that day . The idea of confronting a Nato member with all the heavy arsenal they have is suicide .

 

[mrzurnaci]

You are beginning to see the big picture , remember the country that is turkey today used to belong to Assyrian , Kurds and Armenian . The turks are actually foreigner and have nothing to do with this region .

You have to learn to be patient , everything is temporary and nothing lasts forever . Turkey will fall one day and you have to prepare for that day . The idea of confronting a Nato member with all the heavy arsenal they have is suicide .

"You are beginning to see the big picture , remember the country that is turkey today used to belong to Assyrian , Kurds and Armenian . The turks are actually foreigner and have nothing to do with this region . "

Turks WERE Foreigners but the modern Turks of Turkey are Muslim Greeks and Armenians, probably further mix of them too as well as Kurdish mix recently.
The Byzantine Romans couldn't get their sh** together so they conceded and played politics with the beylik Turks.


"You have to learn to be patient , everything is temporary and nothing lasts forever . Turkey will fall one day and you have to prepare for that day . The idea of confronting a Nato member with all the heavy arsenal they have is suicide . "

Your best bet would be to wait for Turkey to become destabilized through its own actions but Turkey and politicians are all well aware that any destabilization will be taken advantage of by the PKK.

Turkey won't fall unless there's no allies to back it up and Turkey has plenty through NATO.

 

[Cascade]

Turks WERE Foreigners but the modern Turks of Turkey are Muslim Greeks and Armenians, probably further mix of them too as well as Kurdish mix recently.

Turks are definitely a mixed bunch for sure. The Mongoloid looking ones come from Turkmenistan and further east. The Anatolian ones are either Kurdish, Armenian and/or Greek. There are also some Slavic and Circassian Turks as well, and they usually are the blonde ones which appear atypical.