Turkey an ally for Assyrians?

Do you think that Turkey would be a good ally for Assyrians (the enemy of your enemy is your friend)

  • Yes, they have power in Middle East

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • Hell No, they cant be trusted

    Votes: 15 60.0%
  • I dont know, isnt Turkey an animal?

    Votes: 5 20.0%

  • Total voters
    25
Rumtaya said:
The most efficent way to help Assyrians would be throw UN?s or even Russia, but for Russia who knows what their interests is. I think we could have good chances to get Russians as an Ally, since Russia is also a worldpower nation and their are looking for their portation in Middle East and beside that the Russians could finish what they started suppourting Assyrians.

One more important thing is to stay within the Middle East neutral towards the others, because if you ally with Kurds youll be hated by turks,arabs and persians. If you ally with Turkey, you will have alot of trouble with Kurds (unfortunataly they are the clostest neighbours to us). If you ally with Arabs then you would have again the problem with Kurds and the same goes with beeing ally with Persians.

Russia and Iran would be great allies to Assyrians in Iraq. Also, one Russian politician spoke positively recently on Assyrians. He basically said that America must protect Assyrians who are being persecuted in Iraq.
 
Aga said:
Alucard, iam not talking what we are dicussing, look, check this site  http://www.nefel.com/articles/article_detail.asp?RubricNr=1&ArticleNr=2887 
then tell my if I should worry about my kuridsh relatives or not but to be honest Iam worrying more for my assyrians brothers than my relatives, a least my relatives has no conflict with kurds,so we dont need to be worrying for them. You are saying that this is just a discussion on an Internet forum no no no its not only that, AGC one of assyrians party had visit Turkey to ally with the turks and trying to have big deals with turks against kurds! what do you believe that kurds will do? when they found what,which I believe that they`ve already done that.

Why the hell do you give me a link I can't read?

Look, out of every single post you've posted on this forum, it's always somehow in some way, beneficial to Kurds. You deny being a Kurd but all your posts are written in a certain way, telling us to accommodate the Kurds.

Aga said:
You are here in diasporra dont be selfesh,think what and how they will be treated by kurds?

Yes, I live in the diaspora. I have no political impact on Assyrians in Iraq and I can't influence them. What I write here will probably never reach them [Assyrians] any time soon. How is that selfish? Are you insinuating that we Assyrians who live in the diaspora, in countries where freedom of speech is certainly better than in Iraq (where freedom of speech doesn't exist and you can get killed for saying anything), should watch our mouths in order to appease the Kurds so that they won't kill Assyrians?

Kurds are already killing Assyrians in Iraq no matter what we do or say here in the diaspora.
 
Rumtaya said:
Aga out from your posts it seems like you are wanting to tell us, stay away from Turks, keep being with Kurds..aint that so?

I mean what is our benefit to stay with Kurds, do you know how ASSYRIANS are treated down there? Look its ASSYRIAN, not Christians.
As us beeing Christians the Kurds are very fine off, but as ASSYRIANS they try everything to undermine our naitonal and ingidinous rights.

I personal would not rely on Turkey as much as on Kurds nor anyother Middleeastern people, they are not one inch trust worthy, it would be just a time question till they would start betrayling us.

The most efficent way to help Assyrians would be throw UN?s or even Russia, but for Russia who knows what their interests is. I think we could have good chances to get Russians as an Ally, since Russia is also a worldpower nation and their are looking for their portation in Middle East and beside that the Russians could finish what they started suppourting Assyrians.

One more important thing is to stay within the Middle East neutral towards the others, because if you ally with Kurds youll be hated by turks,arabs and persians. If you ally with Turkey, you will have alot of trouble with Kurds (unfortunataly they are the clostest neighbours to us). If you ally with Arabs then you would have again the problem with Kurds and the same goes with beeing ally with Persians.

But what would you do then? I tell you Assyrians cant be allies with Kurds it will not work because bouth nationans are claiming the same soil and the one with the power at the moment is underminng the rights of the others (for get about building churches, houses and schools is just a fassade).

Also if we would risk alot, I thikn the western world can be the only one who would really help us with abit suppourt by the Iraqi Goverment.


at the link you gaved, I cant speak nor read kurdish.

Dear Rumtaya Iam not saying that you should work with kurds,  all enemies of yours, kurds are the cloest one, becuase assyrians  are living among kurds,unlike turks,arabs,and perisans, well maybe some of your villages are neighboured with arabs but still majoritiy of your ppl are living among kurds, which mean you have to be more carefull than with kurds than the others. I mean if work against kurds with turks it wont be good for your own benefits and for your ppl future! still Iam not pointing that you should work with kurds, no no but there are better aptions than with turks. Lets say if turks are trying do somethign against your ppl well they can`t becuase they wont be able to reach your ppl they way kurds can reach, same things with persians but maybe not with arabs. Regarding the link I pasted, I was aware of that you dont speak kurdish or read kurdish but thought maybe someone you know could translate to you, well that doesnt matter, all they saying is assyrians are making big mistake.
 
Alucard said:
Why the hell do you give me a link I can't read?

Yes, I live in the diaspora. I have no political impact on Assyrians in Iraq and I can't influence them. What I write here will probably never reach them [Assyrians] any time soon. How is that selfish? Are you insinuating that we Assyrians who live in the diaspora, in countries where freedom of speech is certainly better than in Iraq (where freedom of speech doesn't exist and you can get killed for saying anything), should watch our mouths in order to appease the Kurds so that they won't kill Assyrians?

Kurds are already killing Assyrians in Iraq no matter what we do or say here in the diaspora.

You dont get it, do you? Iam not pointing at what you are writing here in assyrianvoice,  for not long ago an assyrians delegation visited Turkey to work with turks agianst kurds, well as I had said before Iam not what you are imagine me to be.  :beee:
 
Aga said:
Dear Rumtaya Iam not saying that you should work with kurds,  all enemies of yours, kurds are the cloest one, becuase assyrians  are living among kurds,unlike turks,arabs,and perisans, well maybe some of your villages are neighboured with arabs but still majoritiy of your ppl are living among kurds, which mean you have to be more carefull than with kurds than the others. I mean if work against kurds with turks it wont be good for your own benefits and for your ppl future! still Iam not pointing that you should work with kurds, no no but there are better aptions than with turks. Lets say if turks are trying do somethign against your ppl well they can`t becuase they wont be able to reach your ppl they way kurds can reach, same things with persians but maybe not with arabs. Regarding the link I pasted, I was aware of that you dont speak kurdish or read kurdish but thought maybe someone you know could translate to you, well that doesnt matter, all they saying is assyrians are making big mistake.

You are missing one very important point here: we Assyrians hanging here on AVN are not involved in any political cooperation whatsoever with any ethnic group in the Middle East.

Aga said:
You dont get it, do you? Iam not pointing at what you are writing here in assyrianvoice,  for not long ago an assyrians delegation visited Turkey to work with turks agianst kurds, well as I had said before Iam not what you are imagine me to be.  :beee:

Yes you are.
 
Alucard said:
You are missing one very important point here: we Assyrians hanging here on AVN are not involved in any political cooperation whatsoever with any ethnic group in the Middle East.

Yes you are.

no iam not, read again.
 
Aga said:
Dear Rumtaya Iam not saying that you should work with kurds,  all enemies of yours, kurds are the cloest one, becuase assyrians  are living among kurds,unlike turks,arabs,and perisans, well maybe some of your villages are neighboured with arabs but still majoritiy of your ppl are living among kurds, which mean you have to be more carefull than with kurds than the others. I mean if work against kurds with turks it wont be good for your own benefits and for your ppl future! still Iam not pointing that you should work with kurds, no no but there are better aptions than with turks. Lets say if turks are trying do somethign against your ppl well they can`t becuase they wont be able to reach your ppl they way kurds can reach, same things with persians but maybe not with arabs. Regarding the link I pasted, I was aware of that you dont speak kurdish or read kurdish but thought maybe someone you know could translate to you, well that doesnt matter, all they saying is assyrians are making big mistake.


What have we gained from beeing peacefull towards kurds in the past Aga? Tell me one postitive aspect and I will be the biggest Kurdish Suppourter you will see in this Forum.

Just one.

I tell you 3 negative aspects of hundres


- took away villages and land
- massacred us
- steal our history
 
Rumtaya said:
What have we gained from beeing peacefull towards kurds in the past Aga? Tell me one postitive aspect and I will be the biggest Kurdish Suppourter you will see in this Forum.

Just one.

I tell you 3 negative aspects of hundres


- took away villages and land
- massacred us
- steal our history

They make those toy birds that clap their wings when you role them on the ground...  It keeps their kids so preoccupied, it's amazing.  Never seen anything like that since the color red.
 
Our strategic goals are aligned, why not!

We cannot get ahead and preserve our nation by staying away from anyone who harmed us in the past. We should take advantage of any opportunity that might benefit us, that doesn't mean trusting/liking those who help us generate/implement this opportunity.

 
Rumtaya said:
What have we gained from beeing peacefull towards kurds in the past Aga? Tell me one postitive aspect and I will be the biggest Kurdish Suppourter you will see in this Forum.

Just one.

I tell you 3 negative aspects of hundres


- took away villages and land
- massacred us
- steal our history

Dear Rumtaya, iam not saying, that kurds are angels and hadnt done anything to your ppl, but let me remind you, what did Simko Aga to your people at the begning of the 18th century? when Petros Aga tried to work with Englishmen against kurds? which consequnese did your people befalled? In decades kurds had killed you for no reason, as many of you considering, but think what will kurds do if they found out that assyrians are working with turks against them and since the majority of your people lives among kurds!All I know  is that kurds hate turks no matter what kurds you are? from Iraq,Turkey or Syrian. My personal view is that I cant see any good term on this.  :imsorry:
 
Aga said:
Dear Rumtaya, iam not saying, that kurds are angels and hadnt done anything to your ppl, but let me remind you, what did Simko Aga to your people at the begning of the 18th century? when Petros Aga tried to work with Englishmen against kurds? which consequnese did your people befalled? In decades kurds had killed you for no reason, as many of you considering, but think what will kurds do if they found out that assyrians are working with turks against them and since the majority of your people lives among kurds!All I know  is that kurds hate turks no matter what kurds you are? from Iraq,Turkey or Syrian. My personal view is that I cant see any good term on this.  :imsorry:

Aga you are saying we should obey Kurds, just read your sentenses again please.
We wouldn not work with the Turks against Kurds, we would use Turk as an ally for our own interests. See what Israel is doin, in Turkey they are giving weapons and helicopters to fight the Kurds, in Iraq they are training and arming the Kurds to fight against AntiIsraelits. Politic is dirty my friend and Assyrians should not lack to look for allies.

I mean Assyrians are trying to work also honestly with Kurds, but you have to understand it is really hard situation to become allies, because the Kurds are abusing their power on Assyrians and other ethnic groups, they are undermining the assyrian voice. Should we still go on praying for Kurds to become good people and suppourter of Assyria?

Why do Kurds put an Assyrian minister who is member of the KDP to represent the Assyrians? We have voted for ADM, if the Kurds want to work withsomeone to deal about the Assyrian question its the ADM and noone else.

I am sure the Kurds in Turkey are also pissed of that there are Kurds within Turkish parties who represent the Kurds, do you think the Kurds in Turkey love that or welcome it?

But then again as Alcurad said neither me or anyoneelse in this forum is representing the Assyrian Politics, we are just avarage people who talk about such stuff. We dont have power to work things out as we are writing or thinking.


If Kurds want Assyrians be allies they should stop going from village to village and forcing them to become KDP member.
 
Rumtaya said:
Aga you are saying we should obey Kurds, just read your sentenses again please.
We wouldn not work with the Turks against Kurds, we would use Turk as an ally for our own interests. See what Israel is doin, in Turkey they are giving weapons and helicopters to fight the Kurds, in Iraq they are training and arming the Kurds to fight against AntiIsraelits. Politic is dirty my friend and Assyrians should not lack to look for allies.

I mean Assyrians are trying to work also honestly with Kurds, but you have to understand it is really hard situation to become allies, because the Kurds are abusing their power on Assyrians and other ethnic groups, they are undermining the assyrian voice. Should we still go on praying for Kurds to become good people and suppourter of Assyria?

Why do Kurds put an Assyrian minister who is member of the KDP to represent the Assyrians? We have voted for ADM, if the Kurds want to work withsomeone to deal about the Assyrian question its the ADM and noone else.

I am sure the Kurds in Turkey are also pissed of that there are Kurds within Turkish parties who represent the Kurds, do you think the Kurds in Turkey love that or welcome it?

But then again as Alcurad said neither me or anyoneelse in this forum is representing the Assyrian Politics, we are just avarage people who talk about such stuff. We dont have power to work things out as we are writing or thinking.


If Kurds want Assyrians be allies they should stop going from village to village and forcing them to become KDP member.


Rumataya believe me, Iam not saying work with kurds but you are saying you will use turks and if you use turks well then turks will use you too and that mean you will work together against kurds. I wont be surprised if you get attacked by kurds then, I know some of you considering that your ppl get killed anywaye but not at the level Iam concerning. Believe me I know its hard to work with kurds, as you said why havent we minsters by ADM in KRG,well I believe ADM didnt wanted to, at the begning of 1990 they joined Kurdistan assembly but after the last occuption of Iraq, all ADM member left Kurdish parlement and run to Iraqi parlement, they thought arabs wont let kurds have this parlement anymore,guess! they had wrong!
 
Aga said:
Rumataya believe me, Iam not saying work with kurds but you are saying you will use turks and if you use turks well then turks will use you too and that mean you will work together against kurds. I wont be surprised if you get attacked by kurds then, I know some of you considering that your ppl get killed anywaye but not at the level Iam concerning. Believe me I know its hard to work with kurds, as you said why havent we minsters by ADM in KRG,well I believe ADM didnt wanted to, at the begning of 1990 they joined Kurdistan assembly but after the last occuption of Iraq, all ADM member left Kurdish parlement and run to Iraqi parlement, they thought arabs wont let kurds have this parlement anymore,guess! they had wrong!

Nah, they just didnt want to be a part of a part.
 
that will be interesting ....Turkey and Assyrian Agaist Kurds . My question is what will be the Assyrian Task ?

1-Serving Tea to Turks ?
2-cooking dolmades?
3-Killing some kurds ...Naaaah ....too much involvment

One thing for sure it will make few people very rich . Hey selling the Assyrian Agenda to Turks , thats gotta be worth something . Personaly I think Turks are laughing when they see this post .
 
talsor said:
that will be interesting ....Turkey and Assyrian Agaist Kurds . My question is what will be the Assyrian Task ?

1-Serving Tea to Turks ?
2-cooking dolmades?
3-Killing some kurds ...Naaaah ....too much involvment

One thing for sure it will make few people very rich . Hey selling the Assyrian Agenda to Turks , thats gotta be worth something . Personaly I think Turks are laughing when they see this post .


:whistling:
 
I don't address puppets who can't speak for themselves with intelligence.  Others on here might indulge your ignorance, and try to educate you, but don't expect it from me.  You have too much self hate to even begin to comprehend what that means.  This whole thing probably flew over your head, so you will respond with something completely lacking any intelligence.  Like 'Assyrians are hated by God'. 

Don't ever call yourself Armenian...  YOU ARE A KURD!  Get over it, stop the denial.  Once you get over your identity crisis then you might learn a thing or two from here.
 
Jodona or Madona ...

Relax , man , your chair is shaking . Are you going to let some one like me get under your skin . It is just a forum so take a pill .
 
Personaly I do not think Kurd care to check your forum . To answer your question No I'm not a kurd . You are too paranoid man , hey...your cat might be Kurd too  :giggle:
 
You pity the foo ,,,what the hell is Foo, may be you mean foe ?

that is better , you are calmer now . ...see it is not so hard .
 
talsor said:
You pity the foo ,,,what the hell is Foo, may be you mean foe ?

that is better , you are calmer now . ...see it is not so hard .

Further proving my point.  You just keep digging the hole deeper.  You know that Disney has forums for kids like you?
 
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