The Strangest Football Derby in the World: Assyriska FF v. Syrianska FC
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John_86 said:
This maybe so but when I was down there, I was told that the "Aramean/Suryoyo/Syriac" organizations, including members of the clergy, had organized several meetings to "Stop the Assyriska movement". They came together to devise plans that would basically stop the Assyrians in anything they were doing. Anything being both political as well as non-political matters.
Aga said:
I was also at a few Assyriska matches in Sweden (I missed the Syrianska match). There were Syrianska fans at the game for no other reason but to instigate fights. The Zelge fans paid them no attention and they were taken away pretty quickly but thats how they are. They are out there trying to start problems.
During the Derby's they are constantly damaging the stadium and throwing objects and insults towards Assyriska fans. Hooliganism at its finist. Bare in mind however that not all the fans are Syriac/Suryoyo. There are a few Swedes on both sides also participating in the hooliganism.
Are Assyriska fans all good? No. Not at all. Its the soccer culture. But when you are constantly being sworn at, objects thrown at you, and your people's flag being disrespected and destroyed, unless you're an Assyrian from North America, you will get REALLY pissed off and want to kick someones ass!
Assyrianism said:
You forgot to add one thing. When I was down there, I was warned NOT to go into a particular mall because it was the "Syrianska Mall". Most of the shops were owned by them. I still went in there with my Assyriska hat though
I have never received so many odd stares in my life. I thought they were going to jump me right there.Another story was when we were walking in Downtown Sodertalje and we passed the "Syrianska Pub". Yes no Assyriska fans or just plain Assyrians can go in there. As we passed it, wearing our Assyriska jersey's, all we heared were swearing and them spitting. We passed them and entred the "Assyriska Cafe" lol Where no Syrianska or Syriac people go.
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After all that, we here in the west still don't see the Western Assyrians as just that, Assyrians. We still force them to lable themselves as Syriac or Syriani even though they themselves call themselves Assyrian. It just pisses me off to see the ignorance
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Enki said:
Yes, there are some of them, but just SOME. The most are neutral.
E.g. here in Germany is a federation with the name HSA (huyodo suryoyo d almanya) http://www.suryoye-deutschland.de/ They make no differances between our names.
Or in the case of Mor Gabriel - there is a workgroup with the name "Aktion Mor Gabriel." http://www.aktionmorgabriel.de/?page_id=34
This group consist of Assyrian, Sur
oyo and Aramean thinking organisations/federations and they work together in the case of Mor Gabriel. I know some of the organisatiors and they say that they (most of the organisations/federations) want to work in future together, too, they would like to build a kind of parliament of our people in Germany.
And I can give you much more examples.
Enki said:I was also at a few Assyriska matches in Sweden (I missed the Syrianska match). There were Syrianska fans at the game for no other reason but to instigate fights. The Zelge fans paid them no attention and they were taken away pretty quickly but thats how they are. They are out there trying to start problems.
During the Derby's they are constantly damaging the stadium and throwing objects and insults towards Assyriska fans. Hooliganism at its finist. Bare in mind however that not all the fans are Syriac/Suryoyo. There are a few Swedes on both sides also participating in the hooliganism.
Are Assyriska fans all good? No. Not at all. Its the soccer culture. But when you are constantly being sworn at, objects thrown at you, and your people's flag being disrespected and destroyed, unless you're an Assyrian from North America, you will get REALLY pissed off and want to kick someones ass!
You forgot to add one thing. When I was down there, I was warned NOT to go into a particular mall because it was the "Syrianska Mall". Most of the shops were owned by them. I still went in there with my Assyriska hat though
Another story was when we were walking in Downtown Sodertalje and we passed the "Syrianska Pub". Yes no Assyriska fans or just plain Assyrians can go in there. As we passed it, wearing our Assyriska jersey's, all we heared were swearing and them spitting. We passed them and entred the "Assyriska Cafe" lol Where no Syrianska or Syriac people go.
To think that all Syriac or Assyrian thinking people are hooligains is crazy.
And what do you expect ?
Do you think that normal Syriac or Assyrian thinking persons go to Malls of Hooligains ?
And if normal Syriac thinking ppl go to Syriac Hooligain Malls and normal Assyrian thinking ppl go to Assyrian Hooligain Malls than just because they don´t want stress with others.
That´s normal, nobody wants stress.
Enki said:
That´s absolutely true. This is one of the arguments of the hardcore Syriacs.
And there are also many eastern Assyrians (Assyrian thinking ppl) in Germany who are so uneducated like this Syriac thinking ppl.
They just call themselves Assyrians because their parents do it. And they do it because their church has the name Assyrian.
So they do the same thing like the Syriac thinkin ppl, call themselves like the name of their church.
And some of them want to show that they know they are Assyrians because they know the history but they don´t know so much like they say.
And the Syriac thinkin ppl do the same.
They just know some quotes of some old churchmans (e.g. Mor Afrem Suryoyo) and they think they are professors, too.
So what can we expect from a discussion about our names if there is such a low level on both sides ???
davidb, the situation in europe isnt so easy as you think.
it isnt "assyrian syriac orthodox" and "not assyrian syriac orthodox". we can say, the one which dont have the "assyrian thinking" are the majority. in netherland, in sweden, in germany, in austria, in switzerland, in belgium, and so on.
but we can say too, the majority isnt "anti-assyrian" or "aramaic". The majority grew up with a church thinking, they are syriac-orthodox, nothing more or less. the majority of the syriac orthodox clerics teach their people we are "aramean", only the word, without any background history, so THESE majority call themselve aramean, as the part which is anti-assyrian. but these one arent anti-assyrian! i can believe in the chaldean chuch are a lot of the members in the same situation.
you can think: 30% Assyrian, 20 % Anti-Assyrian, 50% Religious. But the religious one and anti-assyrian one use the same name.
Shlome
it isnt "assyrian syriac orthodox" and "not assyrian syriac orthodox". we can say, the one which dont have the "assyrian thinking" are the majority. in netherland, in sweden, in germany, in austria, in switzerland, in belgium, and so on.
but we can say too, the majority isnt "anti-assyrian" or "aramaic". The majority grew up with a church thinking, they are syriac-orthodox, nothing more or less. the majority of the syriac orthodox clerics teach their people we are "aramean", only the word, without any background history, so THESE majority call themselve aramean, as the part which is anti-assyrian. but these one arent anti-assyrian! i can believe in the chaldean chuch are a lot of the members in the same situation.
you can think: 30% Assyrian, 20 % Anti-Assyrian, 50% Religious. But the religious one and anti-assyrian one use the same name.
Shlome
xxSanhoxx said:
That's exactly how i think it is.
The Chaldean situation is exactly the same here in Sydney. Although we don't have any Anti-Assyrians and very rarely you'll see Pro-Chaldeans. Just simply Chaldean Catholic, Iraqi-Christian or Assyrian/Chaldean. Point is it's mainly religious influence.
but in sydney the half of the syriac-orthodox assyrians are Assyrians.... :mrgreen:
The influence in the church of the east is the same. They only use the term Assyrian, that confuse us all because at the first moment you dont know "is this a church or a nationalist assyrian". that was the false when the COE take the name "Assyrian", after the other took other names. They argue idiotly, the other are "Chaldean" or "Syriac", and the other, which arent Assyrianist, argue "The Assyrians are only the member of the COE, we are Syriac (or Chaldean) and dont call yourself Assyrian, they even dont accept you as Assyrian, so you are the idiot in this "game"".
But i want to say: These Assyrians outside of the Churches, which arent members of the Assyrian Church of the East and are Assyrian activist, have another aura. I think its because, they stand up against the church influence and said "NO, that isnt correct!" and this gave them the other "aura". In the COE its normal Assyrian here and their, but its a problem for the members of the other churches of our people...
The influence in the church of the east is the same. They only use the term Assyrian, that confuse us all because at the first moment you dont know "is this a church or a nationalist assyrian". that was the false when the COE take the name "Assyrian", after the other took other names. They argue idiotly, the other are "Chaldean" or "Syriac", and the other, which arent Assyrianist, argue "The Assyrians are only the member of the COE, we are Syriac (or Chaldean) and dont call yourself Assyrian, they even dont accept you as Assyrian, so you are the idiot in this "game"".
But i want to say: These Assyrians outside of the Churches, which arent members of the Assyrian Church of the East and are Assyrian activist, have another aura. I think its because, they stand up against the church influence and said "NO, that isnt correct!" and this gave them the other "aura". In the COE its normal Assyrian here and their, but its a problem for the members of the other churches of our people...
they dont think so far :bangin:
but this one, which do, say: we are all arameans, their are some arameans which call themself assyrians, but this is from the britain missionarys. they put it in the head of the (east)aramean people and some westaramean get the virus too.
or others say: east = assyrians, west = arameans. but you cant have a dicussion with them which have sense. if you give a good argue, they dont care. for example, you ask: what is with this which even dont speak any of them? (like azcheniye from Azakh/Idil)
they dont have any answer, but they dont care about that they havent an answer. its the same with the chaldean nationalist, if you say to them the church split 500 years ago and you were before members of COE, they dont care, they are still thinking they have a 7000 year chaldean history, from south mesopotamia and so on.
but this one, which do, say: we are all arameans, their are some arameans which call themself assyrians, but this is from the britain missionarys. they put it in the head of the (east)aramean people and some westaramean get the virus too.
or others say: east = assyrians, west = arameans. but you cant have a dicussion with them which have sense. if you give a good argue, they dont care. for example, you ask: what is with this which even dont speak any of them? (like azcheniye from Azakh/Idil)
they dont have any answer, but they dont care about that they havent an answer. its the same with the chaldean nationalist, if you say to them the church split 500 years ago and you were before members of COE, they dont care, they are still thinking they have a 7000 year chaldean history, from south mesopotamia and so on.
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I'm not saying ACOE members are angels or that ACOE has done no wrong in the past, I have meet a West Assyrian before he told me he is "Assyrian" he looked at me and said but you guys call us "Syrani" something that i am not proud of, my point is that i will not "unite" with a bunch of people who hate us more then kurds.
People can seat here and try to sweep this problem under the carpet or play it down but the fact of the matter is i have not seen so much hate against Assyrians even in Iran i had not seen this and whats more disturbing is that these people are Assyrian, at the end of the day who is the blame? Ive said it time and time again.
People can seat here and try to sweep this problem under the carpet or play it down but the fact of the matter is i have not seen so much hate against Assyrians even in Iran i had not seen this and whats more disturbing is that these people are Assyrian, at the end of the day who is the blame? Ive said it time and time again.
xxSanhoxx said:
I belive all these hatred btw Syraic people and Assyrians is cause you havent been able to find idenitity to represent all of your people, Assyrians will never give upp with Assyrian idenitiyt and so dont execpt that Syriac will give upp teir idenitiy (name) . THis is the main problem but also cause you don+t understand each other, you tow have different language. .
Aga dont spread lies, it isnt true. The most Syrianska with hate in thier eyes are from my village, so dont talk about things you dont know. The hate came from an side againt Assyrians, everything which they do against it is a reaction. A lot of reaction arent good, but the Assyrian ideology is an overwhelming ideology, spread long before "Syrianska" or "Aramaeanism" was only in their thinking. The Assyrinism include every part of our people, with every dialect, and every church and every name. Eduation is the key of this problem. Like you, the "Syrianska Fans" arent educate in this problem. They grow up in their familys, or better, in their church, which have an cleric and board that had a lot of positiv things to be in the board (for example: Money, Power) and so they live in the fu**ing think: split the people and control it! its nothing more behind the "other" ideologxy!
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davidb said:
It is very mixed.
''xxSanhoxx said:
sanhox, your village is my ville, isnt your village outside Mardin?, I live among Assyrians and Syriac people here in Sweden, I am chering for both team and have friends of both sides, Syriac are riches like hell here in Sweden way you are decribing them as they are uneducated people,which you are wrong. only because they don?t consider themslevs as Assyrians that doesn make them uneducate, they have differents opioions about their idenity
maybe they have their masters in ecomonic, that doesnt make them educate about our peoples history and ideolodys.
if they take books and delete the word "Assyrian" and put "Aramean" or "Syriac" for it their, than its nothing with idelogoy, education, profit etc. Its stupid and something behind it. Its the one: Split and controll the people.
i have a lot relatives their, and i can tell you: the "syrianska" side arent interested in educate theirselve in assyrian - arameans ideolody problems or something like this. they want only hate against assyriska, nothing more! Ask them about Seyfo, they cant tell you anything. Ask their "educate" people, like Assad Assad about our people, he will tell you only the things which are "aramaic enough" and ignore the assyrians things. Like he done once, he quote Mor Michoel Rabo, that the Syriacs are Aramean but he didnt notice that in the same book Mor Michoel said, that the Assyrians are Syriacs, and that we Assyrians had great empire and kingdom and so on.
Is this education? ideology?
2 problems: Some have profit, the others arent educate!
if they take books and delete the word "Assyrian" and put "Aramean" or "Syriac" for it their, than its nothing with idelogoy, education, profit etc. Its stupid and something behind it. Its the one: Split and controll the people.
i have a lot relatives their, and i can tell you: the "syrianska" side arent interested in educate theirselve in assyrian - arameans ideolody problems or something like this. they want only hate against assyriska, nothing more! Ask them about Seyfo, they cant tell you anything. Ask their "educate" people, like Assad Assad about our people, he will tell you only the things which are "aramaic enough" and ignore the assyrians things. Like he done once, he quote Mor Michoel Rabo, that the Syriacs are Aramean but he didnt notice that in the same book Mor Michoel said, that the Assyrians are Syriacs, and that we Assyrians had great empire and kingdom and so on.
Is this education? ideology?
2 problems: Some have profit, the others arent educate!
Free_Assyria
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Aga said:
George Bush was rich