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The Ninevite's choice

Nenif Matran Hariri

By Nenif Matran Hariri
The Kurdish Globe

Christians have to decide whether to stay with the region or join the rest of Iraq.

This month, the people of the Hamdaniya and Tel Keif districts, which form part of the Nineveh Plains, will be asked whether they wish to join Kurdistan Region or remain geographically and politically attached to the rest of Iraq.

Article 140 of the Iraqi Constitution expressly calls for areas surrounding Kurdistan Region to participate in a referendum to be held this month (pending any delays) to vote for their allegiance and align their destiny with that of Kurdistan Region.

Much has been written about Kirkuk and its prospects, but what about the districts of Hamdaniya and Tel Keif? What makes them particularly interesting is that they have a large Christian minority-for the most part Chaldean and Syrian with a handful of Assyrians.

It's almost a foregone conclusion that they will choose to join Kurdistan Region, because the majority of the districts' dwellers are ethnic Kurds, Shabaks, and Yazidis. So, in reality only a portion of the Christian vote is needed to unify the region.

The referendum has been misunderstood by some Assyrians as a vote for independence. The question of autonomy for Assyrians is not the issue here, although I'm sure the KRG will later designate the Nineveh Plains with a special status yet to be defined.

Should the vote go the other way, a NO would yield certain calamity for the Christians, for the following reasons:

First, the community would split into two parts-one run by the central government and the other by the KRG-with different languages, cultures, school systems, and of course governments. Even if the central government granted autonomy for the Nineveh Plains, what would happen to the Christians in Kurdistan Region? One wonders!

Second, it would alienate the Assyrian community in Kurdistan Region from their brethren, the Chaldeans and Syrians in the Nineveh Plains. You see very few Assyrians living in the Nineveh Plains, and absolutely none are willing to relocate there. The majority of Assyrians have chosen to return to their original villages in Kurdistan Region and have absolutely no intentions of deserting them again.


Frankly, there are hardly any Assyrians left in Iraq to be relocated. As for the Assyrians living overseas, well let's just say they're more preoccupied with moving from Chicago to Arizona than to the Plains; for them, repatriation is a four-letter word. So, a NO vote in the referendum would draw a geographical red line between the two communities at a critical time.

Third, thanks to the Barzani family and the KDP, Assyrians are blessed with a KRG that is friendly toward their settlements. (oh yes, thank you very much...wanna go kiss his feets?) But what if a less accommodating government was to seize power in the future and pressure the Christian community into repatriating to their new homes. Perhaps someone like Malla Bakhtiar of the PUK, who arrogantly claimed last month, "Assyrians are guests here and have no land rights in Kurdistan," might one day lead this great region.

Using the Nineveh Plains as an excuse, over a hundred Assyrian villages would have to be abandoned or sold at a fraction. Places such as Ankawa that have been exclusively inhabited by Christians since at least the Assyrian Empire will cease to exist. A NO vote might, in fact, decrease land capacity for Assyrians rather than increase it.

Fourth, unlike the KRG, the central government of Baghdad has shown absolutely no sign of providing either security or administrative rights for the Assyrian community, and once the Assyrians start demanding autonomy, they will then feel the full force of the brutal Arab government, God forbid.

Yes, the same government that massacred the poor Assyrians in Semel, so eerily close to the Plains, and the same government that has been unable to control the atrocities that have befallen the poor Christians of Mosul in the last four years, who are by the way now being sheltered and cared for by the KRG in Kurdistan Region. Would it, in fact, be prudent to increase the Christian population in an area infested by terrorists that the central government cannot control, or to be deliberately apathetic at the cost of Assyrian patriotism?

It's not the first time that Mosul has been used as a bargaining chip either, I might add. In the 1920s, Assyrians were told, "Give us Hakkari and we will give you Mosul." They got neither. They were given a couple of hundred homes at reduced costs in the Dora suburb of Baghdad, and two years ago were expelled from there; their church was burned down by the very people who were giving them Mosul. The Assyrian Democratic Movement (ADM), a political party that is urging the Christian community to retain its ties with the central government, must learn from these hindsights. D?j? vu is a wonderful gift.

The ADM, which incidentally enjoys a close relationship with Malla Bakhtiar's PUK, sees a YES vote as a green light for Kurds to usurp a dozen Assyrian villages. I see a NO vote leading Assyrians to bid farewell to a hundred picturesque villages, for the sake of 'Qara Qosh.'


http://kurdishglobe.net/displayArticle.jsp?id=911513D486344FA8F3640A670C1E0AC5




No dignity..... :ranting:
 
This whole idea of the KDP wanting to incorporate the Plains into the Kurdish Autonomous Region only to give the Assyrians in the area independence later on is pure bullcrap. Why would ANYBODY (especially a minority, like the Kurds in Iraq) want to work hard to secure political control over an area just to give it away (especially to an even smaller minority, like the Assyrians) later on? Why would you work so hard negotiating every inch of the territory of a future secessionist state when your real purpose is to give a piece of that state up to someone else for absolutely no incentives or reason at all? Out of the goodness of your own hearts? I highly doubt that.

Anybody with half a brain can see this is a land grab. The Kurds have no intention of giving any land which comes under their control away. Who would? There has NEVER been an instance of that happening. This is no different than Turkey saying to the people living in the Ninawa province "hey, secede from Iraq and let us incorporate you into Turkey. Later on, we'll give you independence and let you be your own country just for the hell of it." Nevermind that Turkey's had its eye on Mosul since its creation in the '20s and fought a war over it. I would argue that the Kurdish claim for goodwill is even more ridiculous since Turkey is already an independent state whereas the KRG wants to get as much land under their control before they officially declare statehood, otherwise if they invade/occupy/annex any surrounding lands as an officially recognized state, they'll look like the agressors. This way, under the guise of "a minority governing itself" (i.e. Kurds governing Kurds), they look completely innocent.

This is especially dangerous because if we vote for incorporation, we'll get permanent incorporation. If we ever want to gain independence later on, the KDP will hold the vote against us and say "but you voted to be included in the state blah blah blah." Read the fine print, people. Don't be fooled. 

Places such as Ankawa that have been exclusively inhabited by Christians since at least the Assyrian Empire will cease to exist.

The Assyrian Empire fell in 612 BC. That's Before Christ...thus also before Christians. How could Christians inhabit Ankawa since "at least" the times of the Assyrian Empire when the Assyrian Empire was long gone by the time of the first Christians? Someone who doesn't know this basic (almost painfully obvious) point in history doesn't know what they're talking about.

 
Rumtaya said:
The referendum has been misunderstood by some Assyrians as a vote for independence. The question of autonomy for Assyrians is not the issue here, although I'm sure the KRG will later designate the Nineveh Plains with a special status yet to be defined.

Oh.  Well as long as he's sure.


Rumtaya said:
It's not the first time that Mosul has been used as a bargaining chip either, I might add. In the 1920s, Assyrians were told, "Give us Hakkari and we will give you Mosul." They got neither. They were given a couple of hundred homes at reduced costs in the Dora suburb of Baghdad, and two years ago were expelled from there; their church was burned down by the very people who were giving them Mosul. The Assyrian Democratic Movement (ADM), a political party that is urging the Christian community to retain its ties with the central government, must learn from these hindsights. D?j? vu is a wonderful gift.

Wait...is he trying to say we should weary of broken promises...??  Hmmm..."give us Nineveh Plains, and we'll give you autonomy"...kinda has a familiar ring to it...

But then again...he's "sure" of the special status, so I guess we can all relax.
 
btw there was an picture with that artical, but I thought the artical is enough to vomit no need to post his picture...
 
This article is such a propaganda, puppet talk, bullshit pussy fuckin bitch article BUT he did say one thing that is right,
As for the Assyrians living overseas, well let's just say they're more preoccupied with moving from Chicago to Arizona than to the Plains; for them, repatriation is a four-letter word
, be da hamzamta, ana sezgurin.
 
KhIgGaAaAaAa said:
This article is such a propaganda, puppet talk, bull**** pussy ****in ***** article BUT he did say one thing that is right, , be da hamzamta, ana sezgurin.

Without Assyrians in the West, where would Aid Society and Zowaa get their $$$$??  How would the Western powers know about our situation?  Who would have put the Nineveh Plains on the Congressional map?  How about the $10 million in US funding for the Nineveh Plains?  Who would have gotten 60 Minutes to run a piece on us?

A Diaspora has their own value.
 
kur_16 said:
i wouldnt cry if we didnt get ninewa, just feel sorry for our ezidi kurds

Your Ezidi Kurds don't wanna be called Kurds, but more importantly they don't wanna be under the Kurds.
 
agree with Waleeta. Just because Assyrians in the West don't want to move to the Nineveh Plains does not mean that they have absolutely no interest in helping out Assyrians in the Middle East. Help, contribution, assistance or whatever you want to call it comes in many forms.
 
othur said:
Until Assyrians in iraq are provided an alternative to this, this kurdish a$$holes words will have meaning...

The Assyrians of iraq need to clean their own house before we can provide a tangible alternative to the either " 1. we want to be with the arabs, 2. we want to be with the qurds."

And no offense, but until the whole political bureau of the ASSYRIAN democratic movement is removed im not sure how much defense we will have to being sucked up.... On their watch, the Assyrian identity of iraq was saturated.... And I guess it makes sense for the adm to send representatives to the vatican to support the induction of cardinal khmara, i mean delly, when it was he who stood in the when of Assyrians getting anything tangible in the iraqi constitution...

Give the Assyrians an alternative, dont give them yonadam the opportunist... He may well be a great iraqi politician.... So what... So was saddam....

Not that I think that Kanna is a great leader or anything but removing Zowaa would be the stupidest thing to do, why? well, never have I ever thought Chaldean villages would ever fly this many Assyrian flags, but they are doing it these days because Zowaa has installed that national sense in them despite Kanna's poor leadership.
 
Without Assyrians in the West, where would Aid Society and Zowaa get their $$$$??  How would the Western powers know about our situation?  Who would have put the Nineveh Plains on the Congressional map?  How about the $10 million in US funding for the Nineveh Plains?  Who would have gotten 60 Minutes to run a piece on us?

A Diaspora has their own value.

agree with Waleeta. Just because Assyrians in the West don't want to move to the Nineveh Plains does not mean that they have absolutely no interest in helping out Assyrians in the Middle East. Help, contribution, assistance or whatever you want to call it comes in many forms.

Chill out killers, i didnt say it was bad or good but i did agree with it.  Most of the Assyrians in the west won't move there, that's what i was agreeing with, not whether or not its right

 
othur said:
I never said remove zowaa... I said remove the political bureau and put in an effective one...

What is a chaldean village?  Is this the villages around basra?

Ok, Assyrian villages that call themselves Chaldean, is this good enough for you not to be sarcastic?
 
othur said:
I never said remove zowaa... I said remove the political bureau and put in an effective one...

Indeed, Zowaa needs a new extreme and radical Assyrian nationalist ideology. I bet that would make Chaldeans join Zowaa. And what's with the Yazidi Kurds? Why would we want them amongst us? They're not Assyrians, all right? Knock that Assyrianizing crap off. If they're not Assyrians, we are not going to try to make them Assyrians.
 
kur_16 said:
i wouldnt cry if we didnt get ninewa, just feel sorry for our ezidi kurds

I think it's possible to deport them to Kurdistan if we get Nineveh. What do you say about that?
 
Alucard said:
I think it's possible to deport them to Kurdistan if we get Nineveh. What do you say about that?

First, that will not happen because their holiest site is in Sheykhan which is just east of Alqosh in the plains, and second if you don't have them on your side the Kurds will use them as an execuse to swallow up your plains, now do you see the point of Assyrianizing?

Either way Assyrianizing is not gonna happen because it's almost as unrealistic as an Assyrian state, but keep in mind that Kurdish populations have a huge Assyrian element in them anyways so Assyrianizing such population is a positive thing because they are similar to us racially.
 
"Fourth, unlike the KRG, the central government of Baghdad has shown absolutely no sign of providing either security or administrative rights for the Assyrian community, and once the Assyrians start demanding autonomy, they will then feel the full force of the brutal Arab government, God forbid.

Yes, the same government that massacred the poor Assyrians in Semel, so eerily close to the Plains, and the same government that has been unable to control the atrocities that have befallen the poor Christians of Mosul in the last four years, who are by the way now being sheltered and cared for by the KRG in Kurdistan Region."

The hypocracy just stuns me.
 
Tambur said:
First, that will not happen because their holiest site is in Sheykhan which is just east of Alqosh in the plains, and second if you don't have them on your side the Kurds will use them as an execuse to swallow up your plains

Okay.

Tambur said:
now do you see the point of Assyrianizing?

It's not that I never saw the point. I still don't think it's worth it. Perhaps to you, learning people our language and calling them Assyrian makes them Assyrian. I personally try to be a little more realistic.

To you it's about spreading our culture (which doesn't really mean anything in reality). To me, it's about the survival of our race. Calling Kurds 'Assyrians' when they're not Assyrians, just to gain a weak advantage, is not going to further our political aspirations.

Tambur said:
Either way Assyrianizing is not gonna happen because it's almost as unrealistic as an Assyrian state, but keep in mind that Kurdish populations have a huge Assyrian element in them anyways so Assyrianizing such population is a positive thing because they are similar to us racially.

They also have other unwanted elements. Look, if they're Kurds, they're Kurds. I don't care if they have one or two Assyrian ancestors hundred years back. It doesn't make them Assyrian.

Hell, even Iraqi Arabs have some minor Assyrian racial elements. Does that make them Assyrians? No. Stop defiling our race by including every non-Assyrian ethnic group as our own when they are not Assyrians. The only people who can be counted as Assyrians today are Nestorians, Chaldeans and Syriacs. Why the hell would we want to include the rest of the world as Assyrians when they are not Assyrians? If you are going to follow through with your logic, then you might as well start calling Japanese people Assyrians if they support us.

Unbelievable. No wonder why we don't have a state today, with these 'Assyrianizing' Assyrians being our brain power.
 
Alucard said:
Unbelievable. No wonder why we don't have a state today, with these 'Assyrianizing' Assyrians being our brain power.

We don't have a state and a population because we've been Arabized, Kurdified, and Turkified, not because these 'Assyrianizing' Assyrians being our brain power, if they were our brain power Assyrians would have 5 million Assyrians in north Iraq today.
 
Tambur said:
We don't have a state and a population because we've been Arabized, Kurdified, and Turkified, not because these 'Assyrianizing' Assyrians being our brain power, if they were our brain power Assyrians would have 5 million Assyrians in north Iraq today.

No, if the Assyrianizing Assyrians had any political influence, we would have an Assyrian state without Assyrians living in it because all Assyrian citizens would be of a non-Assyrian race having accepted an Assyrian culture. But hey, whatever makes you happy.
 
Alucard said:
No, if the Assyrianizing Assyrians had any political influence, we would have an Assyrian state without Assyrians living in it because all Assyrian citizens would be of a non-Assyrian race having accepted an Assyrian culture. But hey, whatever makes you happy.

No, we would have a state similar to Israel if not more pure due to the oriental racial identity, it's true that the Kurds are usually called Iranian/Caucasians by race but seriously, what da hell are we? I seriously think that the Assyrians are more related to those Caucasian Iranian looking groups like the Kurds, Armenians, and Persians rather than the semi-negro semitic Arabs from Saudi Arabia, but that's just me.
 
Tambur said:
No, we would have a state similar to Israel if not more pure due to the oriental racial identity

Israel is not an ideal state.

Tambur said:
it's true that the Kurds are usually called Iranian/Caucasians by race but seriously, what da hell are we?

We are Mediterranean Caucasoids. Arabs are also Caucasoids, just like Indo-Europeans are Caucasoids.

Tambur said:
I seriously think that the Assyrians are more related to those Caucasian Iranian looking groups like the Kurds, Armenians, and Persians rather than the semi-negro semitic Arabs from Saudi Arabia, but that's just me.

The semi-negro Semitic Arabs from Saudi Arabia are actually very mixed with Africans and no longer racially pure Arabs (mainly, because of slavery). And it's true that we are mixed with Indo-Europeans (hell, I'm quarter Armenian). But it doesn't mean we should go and mix more with non-Assyrians.

The entire reason why the Assyrian empire fell is because those idiot Assyrian kings were trying to Assyrianize the Middle East. Of course other non-Assyrian ethnic groups were going to revolt sooner or later and bring the entire Assyrian state down, as they obviously did.

Look, Assyrianizing is a bad idea. Let's try to keep our race as pure as we can keep it. Of course, there's no such thing as a racially pure Assyrian today because we are all mixed to some extent, but it doesn't mean we should go and mix more with other races, because the more miscegenation, the less our race will be Assyrian, and in the end, there will be no Assyrian race left.

Perhaps if we were 500 million today, we could afford being able to mix with minority ethnic groups in such a large scale that we altered their race completely (in the process of a few hundred years, of course). But today, we are a tiny minority and we should stick to our own as best we can, or else, our people will disappear.
 
By the way, this people is whom you want to call Assyrians:

http://www.aina.org/news/20070425181603.htm

Way to go...
 
Alucard said:
By the way, this people is whom you want to call Assyrians:

http://www.aina.org/news/20070425181603.htm

Way to go...

As if such thing has't happened in our culture.
 
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