The Daash situation

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We all know that ISIS or daesh (whatever you call it) have/had invaded parts of Northern Iraq and are currently still there.

My question is: Do you think this has led us to pushing for an autonomous region? And what do we do now? Do we team up with the Kurds or Arabs or go for funding from western countries.

I would also like your opinion on the stance of our militias, especially the NPU and Dwekh Nawsha.
 
idk, Barzani isn't very trustworthy but the Shi'a Arabs aren't too reliable either...

I say pander to both until one shows they are the more trustworthy ones.
 
barcyy said:
We all know that ISIS or daesh (whatever you call it) have/had invaded parts of Northern Iraq and are currently still there.

My question is: Do you think this has led us to pushing for an autonomous region? And what do we do now? Do we team up with the Kurds or Arabs or go for funding from western countries.

I would also like your opinion on the stance of our militias, especially the NPU and Dwekh Nawsha.
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We all know that ISIS or daesh (whatever you call it) have/had invaded parts of Northern Iraq and are currently still there.

-NPU has made it one of their goals to remove Daesh from the Nineveh Plains.


My question is: Do you think this has led us to pushing for an autonomous region?

-I think this has given us more cause for an autonomous region. The tremendous blunder of the Peshmerga in the nineveh plains, fleeing with little warning to the residents when Daesh arrived only underscored it.

And what do we do now? Do we team up with the Kurds or Arabs or go for funding from western countries.

- All three to a small degree. We can work with Peshmerga tactically to handle Daesh, while working with the Iraqi government, which is what the West wants. If we "play ball", do as the Iraqi government/USA wants, we can hope to see more political clout in our corner, and with that comes finances and military ordinance.

-The fact is, the more we rely on our own fundraising and working together in the diaspora, the stronger the NPU will be at its core. It's almost funny in the sense that only when we become capable on our own will the west take us seriously and support us.

I would also like your opinion on the stance of our militias, especially the NPU and Dwekh Nawsha.


- Dwekh Nawsha exists for show. They are, from claims of people on facebook (which is the best soure of information one could find on them), under 200 men. Now, this is most likely untrue, and their numbers are closer to 25 men, and there may be possibly various unnamed Assyrian militiamen who associate themselves loosely with DN. I assume this because they post a new video about twice a week. Couple this with their constant <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Dwekh.Nawsha">Facebook posts</a>, and you'll see the same 20 guys posing in living rooms or next to a road ad nauseam. Based on their internet activity, they seem more focused on maintaining a presence online than in the Nineveh Plains. They have yet to state their goals in the long-term, leading me to believe they exist to fight ISIS defensively and disappear once ISIS is finished. I have yet to see someone support DN over NPU that doesn't have an anti-zowaa stance. In other words, there is no tactical reason to support DN over NPU, only a political one. That being said, I admire the men in Dwekh for taking up arms, and hope to see them live through this. Politically-speaking, they don't stand a chance competing against NPU, who is far better funded and organized.

-The NPU is a professionally-trained army boasting over 1000 troops and another 3 to 4 thousand enlisted. Their goals are clear: Establish a permanent army in the Nineveh Plains with the goal of protecting religious minorities, specifically Assyrian Christians and Yezidis. I have heard, through family  that participate in Zowaa/ADM functions and fundraisers, that the NPU may double in size ( 6 to 8 thousand men) by the end of 2015, though this is purely anecdotal at this point. I support the NPU, as they are far more effective than DN, who only surpasses thee NPU in amassing facebook likes.

In a fantasy world, I'd like to  see Dwekh Nawsha absorbed into NPU and be trained as a special auxillary squad, though the chances of this are roughly nil, based on the enmity DN has shown for NPU
 
What do you mean by 'team up'? By definition, the NPU has already teamed up with the Kurds, Baghdad and other forces fighting against ISIS.

Straw-king, no our population is not too small. Luxembourg and Montenegro are countries, and they have similar population as Assyrians in Iraq.
 
AshurayaPlasha said:
What do you mean by 'team up'? By definition, the NPU has already teamed up with the Kurds, Baghdad and other forces fighting against ISIS.

Straw-king, no our population is not too small. Luxembourg and Montenegro are countries, and they have similar population as Assyrians in Iraq.
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Yes, but Luxembourg and Montenegro are mostly homogenous. Whereas the Assyrian regions are full of non-Assyrians.

Yezidis and Turkmens have a bigger population now
 
If you consider Montenegro Homogenious, then so is Assyria's Nineveh Plains.

No yezidis-turkmen do not have a bigger population, their population is roughly the same as ours.
 
AshurayaPlasha said:
If you consider Montenegro Homogenious, then so is Assyria's Nineveh Plains.

No yezidis-turkmen do not have a bigger population, their population is roughly the same as ours.
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If it's the same as ours then they probably want autonomy for their own as well.
Which isn't realistic
 
AshurayaPlasha said:
Can you explain why it isn't realistic?
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1. If the Kurds are a large population and they're struggling to get independence, it means this will be even harder for us. Since we're much smaller
2. Because of our small numbers, how can we form an army that is strong enough in such dangerous places? We will be easily taken over again by a stronger power.
3. As I mentioned before, Yazidis and Turkmen are in Nineveh and already make up the majority in some areas. What makes you think they would want an independent Assyria or Autonomous Nineveh?
 
Straw King said:
1. If the Kurds are a large population and they're struggling to get independence, it means this will be even harder for us. Since we're much smaller
2. Because of our small numbers, how can we form an army that is strong enough in such dangerous places? We will be easily taken over again by a stronger power.
3. As I mentioned before, Yazidis and Turkmen are in Nineveh and already make up the majority in some areas. What makes you think they would want an independent Assyria or Autonomous Nineveh?
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1. The Kurds are struggling because they are trying to form a country in the most contested areas that isn't even historically their land to begin with... The Turks and Persians see Kurds as nothing but grown children who say "MINE" every time they settle some place...

2. You clearly don't know how warfare works. Warfare isn't about numbers... Numbers DO go into the equation but numbers doesn't mean you'll always win.

Do I need to mention the battle of Issus? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Issus

40,850 Greeks vs. 50-100,000 Persians.

Greeks won losing 7k soldiers and Persia losing ~20,000 soldiers...
3. Because they're pretty sure Assyrians know how to run a society better than the Shi'a Government...

I'd also like to point out that it'll give us some good governmental practice :)
 
mrzurnaci said:
1. The Kurds are struggling because they are trying to form a country in the most contested areas that isn't even historically their land to begin with... The Turks and Persians see Kurds as nothing but grown children who say "MINE" every time they settle some place...

2. You clearly don't know how warfare works. Warfare isn't about numbers... Numbers DO go into the equation but numbers doesn't mean you'll always win.

Do I need to mention the battle of Issus? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Issus

40,850 Greeks vs. 50-100,000 Persians.

Greeks won losing 7k soldiers and Persia losing ~20,000 soldiers...
3. Because they're pretty sure Assyrians know how to run a society better than the Shi'a Government...

I'd also like to point out that it'll give us some good governmental practice :)
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1. Yeah none of that belongs to the, but then how did they manage to get the Kurdistan region?
2. I don't know how warfare works, but I do know that we don't have enough soldiers to protect our people.
3. What? Yazidis and Turkmens are loyal to the Goverment. I don't blame them. I'd rather have one state that unites the people. Separatism is what Zionists want. They want more conflict in our region.

And Assyrians don't know how to run anything. If we did, we'd have a bloody country by now. we are living in the shadows of our former selves.
 
Straw King said:
1. Yeah none of that belongs to the, but then how did they manage to get the Kurdistan region?
2. I don't know how warfare works, but I do know that we don't have enough soldiers to protect our people.
3. What? Yazidis and Turkmens are loyal to the Goverment. I don't blame them. I'd rather have one state that unites the people. Separatism is what Zionists want. They want more conflict in our region.

And Assyrians don't know how to run anything. If we did, we'd have a bloody country by now. we are living in the shadows of our former selves.
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Oh, yeah. It's definetly the Zionists. *rolls eyes* It's not like we were massacred in droves before Jews migrated back to the Middle East. Iraq was never our country, and performed many massacres against us. Why exactly do you care what happens to it?
 
Straw King said:
And Assyrians don't know how to run anything. If we did, we'd have a bloody country by now. we are living in the shadows of our former selves.
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We do know how to run things, the problem is that we're not working together to keep everything running well...

You think your computer can run without a CPU?

Let's use the Assyrian/Syriac nation as an analogy for a computer.

Let's pretend Assyrianists are RAM, Kaldeanists are the Power supply and the Pseudo-Arameanists are the CPU.

Neither part can operate the computer alone and all 3 part are made up of the same materials :p

The reason we don't have a country is because our churches don't want to lose their political power...

All of our churches know that, once we have a nation of our own, their political power will ultimately wane in favor of the overall Syriac-speaking government.
 
mrzurnaci said:
We do know how to run things, the problem is that we're not working together to keep everything running well...

You think your computer can run without a CPU?

Let's use the Assyrian/Syriac nation as an analogy for a computer.

Let's pretend Assyrianists are RAM, Kaldeanists are the Power supply and the Pseudo-Arameanists are the CPU.

Neither part can operate the computer alone and all 3 part are made up of the same materials :p

The reason we don't have a country is because our churches don't want to lose their political power...

All of our churches know that, once we have a nation of our own, their political power will ultimately wane in favor of the overall Syriac-speaking government.
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Lucky their is a decline in Christianity from the Assyrians.
 
Domanic said:
Lucky their is a decline in Christianity from the Assyrians.
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1. What does that have to do with anything in this discussion?

2. Unless you have a source to back that up, it's pure conjecture
 
Kelba said:
1. What does that have to do with anything in this discussion?

2. Unless you have a source to back that up, it's pure conjecture
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He is saying that the church have political power over the Assyrians, non-religious Assyrians aren't going to listen to idiotic priests that brainwash their followers to believe in any crap.

This will be a good affect in the long term, if you search in the Assyrian population in the west you will see that the Non-religious population among the Assyrians is growing including in United States and some parts of Europe where Assyrians make up a stabled population.
 
I've seen Dwekh Nawsha openly say they would ally with any Assyrian militia. I'm personally anti-zowaa although I come from a zowaa background. Zowaa haven't done anything special for us until know but that's my personal opinion.

I'm very happy the NPU have got funding from the American government. Hopefully they can as well here in Australia.

I would personally want a united political party with the exception of it being 2-3 parties in total for elections.

If we do end up with an autonomous region we would have to unite a lot of people. That means Syriacs, Chaldeans and Assyrians would have to unite as one.

Church leaders will have to relinquish control on our people as we have an ever growing amount of Atheists/Agnostics who are also Assyrian.

Our political parties should have close contact with the Kurds and the Iraqi government but it all comes down to us being independent and running our own government.
 
barcyy said:
I've seen Dwekh Nawsha openly say they would ally with any Assyrian militia. I'm personally anti-zowaa although I come from a zowaa background. Zowaa haven't done anything special for us until know but that's my personal opinion.

I'm very happy the NPU have got funding from the American government. Hopefully they can as well here in Australia.

I would personally want a united political party with the exception of it being 2-3 parties in total for elections.

If we do end up with an autonomous region we would have to unite a lot of people. That means Syriacs, Chaldeans and Assyrians would have to unite as one.

Church leaders will have to relinquish control on our people as we have an ever growing amount of Atheists/Agnostics who are also Assyrian.

Our political parties should have close contact with the Kurds and the Iraqi government but it all comes down to us being independent and running our own government.
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I have doubts but I still have hope at the same time.

This all depends if our people unite and get their act together.
 
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