Which language do you prefer the most? Serto or Nestorian or Madenhoyo or Estrangelo? is Nestorian and Madenhoyo the same language? which Syriac language is still spoken today? of all the Syriac languages that still exists? l know that one Syriac language is only spoken by one guy or women and when he or she dies then it will be extinct..... that language l think is Mlahs? language.... there is something weird that l noticed on wikipedia... turyoyo is according to wikipedia a Modern Western Syriac Aramaic and close to the Mlahs? language and Modern Eastern Syriac Aramaic is including assyrian aramaic language..... l thought turoyo (western aramaic) also was eastern aramaic....
Syriac language
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Shahin
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Turoyo is part of Eastern Aramaic . And among the Eastern Aramaic it's classified as West or Central Aramaic. (Wikipedia, see on the right language family): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turoyo_language
For those interested, you can listen to:
-Neo Western Aramaic (Ma'aloula): http://www.semarch.uni-hd.de/mp3/arnold_baxca/arnoldbaxca10.mp3
-Mlahs? dialect, now extinct due to the Seyfo, is the most related, close one to Classical Syriac (Kthobonoyo / Suryoyo Urhoyo / Leshana sepraya).
Here is a record of it, it's the Story of Ahiqar :
?????? ??????/The story of Ahiqar
Also, here is a list of others records, thanks to professor Otto Jastrow :
Mlahs? records
For those interested, you can listen to:
-Neo Western Aramaic (Ma'aloula): http://www.semarch.uni-hd.de/mp3/arnold_baxca/arnoldbaxca10.mp3
-Mlahs? dialect, now extinct due to the Seyfo, is the most related, close one to Classical Syriac (Kthobonoyo / Suryoyo Urhoyo / Leshana sepraya).
Here is a record of it, it's the Story of Ahiqar :
?????? ??????/The story of Ahiqar
Also, here is a list of others records, thanks to professor Otto Jastrow :
Mlahs? records
Cascade
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I only understand 5-10% of the first one (and I'm a fluent Assyrian speaker). The second one, Mlahso is 99% unintelligible.Shahin said:
They sound very similar to Chaldeans with the guttural H and A sounds. I like the fact how standard Assyrian has dropped the throaty sounds of A and H (only priests speak that way). It sounds Arabic when they enunciate it anyway - So good riddance.
Say, have you got recordings of Bohtan Neo-Aramaic? How much do they sound Assyrian?
mrzurnaci
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privatebenjamin said:
That's bad though, every letter in Sureth has it's own sounds for a good reason...
changing sounds to sound like other letters will cause definite confusion...
How the hell does it sound Arabic when Syriac existed longer than Arabic? Secondly, Arabic has extra consonants that Syriac does not have...
thirdly, Syriac (+ Hebrew) is a Semitic language just like Arabic. The fact that it sounds similar to Arabic makes sense because there's a good reason that Syriac, Hebrew, and Arabic are all in one language family...
Secondly, Mlahso is unintelligible to you because you don't have a good Syriac dictionary :3
Assyrian Nationalist
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This should be pinned.
Cascade
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No dude, Mlahso is unintelligible to me because no one gives a fuck about it. I don't need a Syriac dictionary to learn an irrelevant language.mrzurnaci said:
You said it yourself, Arabic, Assyrian and Hebrew are Semitic, so they'll soundalike. But guess what, some variations will sound MORE alike than the other. Listen to the hard, guttural E and A sounds. Arabs use those.
mrzurnaci
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privatebenjamin said:
over 400 years ago, that's how Assyrians talked until the destruction of our schools and institutions, by Muslims, degraded Syriac into many little village-ghetto dialects...
Thankfully, Syriac has been extensively documented so we can actually go back to our roots and reform Syriac back to its former glory.
Cascade
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You can't stop dialects from evolving. We naturally sound the way we do now. It's not like we purposefully invented the Assyrian Neo-Aramaic language. We are as Aramaic as all the other Aramaic languages near us. We are speaking Assyrian in its full glory. Syriac would've also been a 'bastardized' language of another mother language in its days. So, as such, there are no languages that are "original" and "untouched"...mrzurnaci said:
Don't know why you have to be very technical. And if you want to be extremely technically, we should speaking an Akkadian language.
By your logic, should we go back to Old English?
mrzurnaci
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privatebenjamin said:
Bringing up old english? lmao, my MOM made the same excuse/argument.
English is a clusterf**k of other languages and roots...
Syriac is not. There's a specific reason why ALL Syriac letters have their own, distinct sounds...
Maybe we don't have to go back to Classical Syriac but the idea is to revive our old sounds.
? - There's a good reason Kheth sounds like the "Arabic-style" as you put it, Guttural H.
In Sureth, we modify Kaph to become the Kha sound. We seriously do not need two "kha" sounds.
Same thing with ? going from Veth to Weth. Why do we need another W sound when we have Waw?
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? The idea is to revive aspects of the Syriac language that shouldn't have died out.
Are you seriously telling me that Syriac would've still formed into Assyrian Neo-Aramaic whether or not the Muslims destroyed our education institutions?
I highly doubt Syriac would've become like this and that's what I want to correct.