So modern Chaldeans are not from Babylon after all?

A) you have posted this in the wrong section
B) your youtube link is invalid.
C) as for the topic

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mrzurnaci said:
do Turkish people look Asian?
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Yes because they are descendants of Mongols, if you listen to Mongolian people talk sounds like Turkish.

But w.t.f does that have to do with this topic?
My cats breathe smells like cat food. Random much?
 
Free_Assyria said:
But w.t.f does that have to do with this topic?
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I'm guessing he's going to say something along the lines of Turkey being known as Asia Minor way back before Mar Sarhad Jammo took any geography lessons.
 
Free_Assyria said:
A) you have posted this in the wrong section
B) your youtube link is invalid.
C) as for the topic

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Sherlock, How did you decide that this was in the wrong section before even watching the clip?
I will not go into details, but I can say that the Church is playing a rule in our nation having many names today, and the speech was given by a religious leader and not a politician. That’s why I choose this section for it:

Mar Sarhad Jammou 5


 
Looking at this video, the guy has aged 50 years in the last 15...I guess the stress of continuosly lying and misleading is weighing him down.
 
Prior to the Catholic missionaries infiltration in the Middle East during the fourteenth century, signs of the persecution of the Church of the East began from the Pope?s office in the Vatican where massacres and persecution were prepared for every corner in the world where France, Portugal and Spain were in control, we can say that not even one Catholic Church was established in the East from Egypt to the Philippines except with pressure, massacres and starvation under the supervision of the Vatican, its Popes and Cardinals. The most prominent of these Churches is the Chaldean Church itself, the characteristics of this had begun in Cyprus when Pope John Paul XXII (1316-1334) gave his instructions to the Patriarch of Jerusalem that ?Nestorians and Jacobites must be eradicated from Cyprus with any means possible? [1]

Two centuries later, the followers of the Church of the East in Cyprus turned into ?Chaldeans? by force during the time of Pope Julius III (1550-1555) which means that the Eastern Catholics specially those who were called by the Pope ?Chaldeans? were mere ?victims of Catholicism? more than being ?Catholics? since Catholicism wasn?t brought through preaching but through terror and humiliation. As a direct example we quote the explorer Henry Layard describing the ugly scene of Catholic ?proselytism? (Chaldeanism) in the north of Iraq as an eye witness in the 1840?s, specifically in the village of Be-Bozeh annexed to Amediya district, Layard said [2] :

"... We continued our advance towards Amediya reaching the Chaldean village of Be-bozeh at the top of a high mountain ? There were ten houses overlooking a deep valley, its inhabitants were all poor, but they warmly welcomed us, they are Nestorian Assyrians, who were forced to convert to Catholicism". Layard continues his account describing what they saw as they reached the village?s Church: "There were pictures in ugly colors of Virgin Mary and Saints on the walls with Latin writing not suitable for this place. I asked them about the pictures, they answered: Following our priest?s death, Archbishop Yousif the Catholic [3] came to us he hung those pictures on the walls and asked us to kneel before them, but we removed the pictures from the walls and the answer of Mahmoud Agha of the Mezzouri kurds, was to order his men to beat us until canes were broken on our legs, that is why we left the pictures on the walls, and we are forced to listen to Archbishop Yousif?s sermons who comes to the village protected by the Kurds ??

Archbishop Youssif Odo and his French colleagues continued this policy (barbering Kurdish leaders) even during his Patriarchate (1847-1878) throughout Assyria (north of Iraq) to the areas of Barwari and Sapna whereby humiliation was used to Catholicize followers of the Church of the East [4] and the descendants of those are known today as "Chaldeans".

This is the "preaching" through which the name ?Chaldean? came and was imposed on a large segment of the Church of the East, thus the Kurds became the angels who evangelized the ancestors of Mar Delly, Sarhad Jammo and Ibrahim Ibrahim with beatings and humiliation, and if today?s Chaldeans clearly understood Layard?s account mentioned above, they would have regained their respect by returning back to their Mother Church, the Church of the East, as did some of the clergy and followers of this denomination, but in anticipation for the conscience of the Catholic intellectuals to awaken we see that some of the descendants of the victims of Catholicism (Chaldeanism) began to backstab their nation even more.


Taken from an article written by Ashur Giwargis ? Beirut, titled: ASSYROPHOBIA
The complete article is available on Nineveh on-line, a highly recommended reading. 
 
Chaldeans are INDEED descendants of the Ancient Babylonians! Many Greek historians came to know them by that name, and this was going back to just the 5th and 6th centuries BC. Please don't tell me that their entire heritage was just brought out from scratch. This intolerance of Chaldeans among Assyrian nationalists is highly nauseating, not to mention backstabbing and traitorous. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but the Mesopotamians did not revolve around the Assyrians. There were others as well, like Sumerians and Babylonians.
 
anosh_88 said:
Chaldeans are INDEED descendants of the Ancient Babylonians! Many Greek historians came to know them by that name, and this was going back to just the 5th and 6th centuries BC. Please don't tell me that their entire heritage was just brought out from scratch. This intolerance of Chaldeans among Assyrian nationalists is highly nauseating, not to mention backstabbing and traitorous. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but the Mesopotamians did not revolve around the Assyrians. There were others as well, like Sumerians and Babylonians.
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are you really that dumb? Assyrian's and Babylonians were the same sh1t....

both of them spoke akkadian, used cuneiform, wore same clothes, worshipped the same gods, and even ate the same foods

I'm not gonna let you spew bullsh1t that isn't true....

If I saw two peoples who had the same culture, ate same foods, wore same clothes, had the same religion, used the same language, used the same writing, using the same everything; I think it's very safe to say those two people are the same sh1t.....
 
Where did I say that Chaldeans and Assyrians aren't the same? Please look between the lines and re-read what I have just wrote before calling ME dumb.
 
mrzurnaci said:
are you really that dumb? Assyrian's and Babylonians were the same sh1t....

both of them spoke akkadian, used cuneiform, wore same clothes, worshipped the same gods, and even ate the same foods

I'm not gonna let you spew bullsh1t that isn't true....

If I saw two peoples who had the same culture, ate same foods, wore same clothes, had the same religion, used the same language, used the same writing, using the same everything; I think it's very safe to say those two people are the same sh1t.....
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If they were really the same then they would share the same name, no? I'd compare them to the English and Scottish, or North Korean and South Koreans. May have big similarities but still are distinct from each other. Sure, us modern Assyrians may be descended from either of them (Assyrians from Basra would probably be from Babylon).

Why were you mad up there?
 
privatebenjamin said:
If they were really the same then they would share the same name, no? I'd compare them to the English and Scottish, or North Korean and South Koreans. May have big similarities but still are distinct from each other. Sure, us modern Assyrians may be descended from either of them (Assyrians from Basra would probably be from Babylon).

Why were you mad up there?
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Not really; Assyrians and Babylonians weren't like English and Scottish.

When the Akkadian empire collapsed, it effectively split into two nations. Very similarly like North and South Korea and very ironically, the North became militarized and the South was more civilian/culturally oriented.

Babylonians and Assyrians were the same people; English and Scottish are not really the same.
 
privatebenjamin said:
If they were really the same then they would share the same name, no? I'd compare them to the English and Scottish, or North Korean and South Koreans. May have big similarities but still are distinct from each other. Sure, us modern Assyrians may be descended from either of them (Assyrians from Basra would probably be from Babylon).

Why were you mad up there?
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Assyrians and Babylonians were both ethnically Akkadian
 
Assyrian_Man said:
Assyrians and Babylonians were both ethnically Akkadian
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not exactly, more Akkadian-Sumerian mix, but regardless, same people.

It could be possible that these "differences" arose when the Amorites invaded, assimilated, and founded Babylon, the Hurrians of the north assimilated in and around Ashur.

 
mrzurnaci said:
Not really; Assyrians and Babylonians weren't like English and Scottish.

When the Akkadian empire collapsed, it effectively split into two nations. Very similarly like North and South Korea and very ironically, the North became militarized and the South was more civilian/culturally oriented.
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Okay, then I guess, yeah, like North/South Korea different.
 
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