Quarterfinal: Brazil vs. Holland

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Oh man I couldn't have wished for a better opportunity!

My favorite team going against my most despised team!  Yes!!

Oh how much I would LOVE for the Orange Army to knock out Brazil!!  It would honestly make my World Cup 2010, even if Holland doesn't win it.  :)

Now, I want to apologize for the Brazil jockey's on this forum, this was not meant for your eyes but you should know by now my hatred for the Brazil team...pretty common knowledge lol

I'm not saying blow-out but I would love for a Brazil beat-down by the Orange Army.  Finally silence all this hoopla from fans that can't even name 2 players on the whole Brazil team (some AVN members excluded of course) :p

Woo hoooo!!

 
Lek you couldn't wait till tomorrow until all quarterfinals were known before posting this ? Lol it is ok I will give this to you bro. I am glad there is already trash talking ( although we all know how great Brazil haters are at opening their mouth lol)

I won't say much about the game yet, it is still 4 days away. But I will have to admit that this may be the best side that Brazil has faced to date at this wc. Sure they are not as flashy and attacking as Portugal and Chile (both of which Brazil managed to shut out) but they are organized and effective.

Any loss by Brazil to any side will be devastating for me. But losing to a good and respected side like holland will be a little easier to take. But I am afraid brazil is starting to finally warm up and Holland better bring their A game.

Like I mentioned in my other post, these two sides have met in 1994 and 1998 and in both cases Brazil managed to win by the smallest of margins (once on penalties) I am not sure if the two have met at all in the last 5 years but I doubt it.

By the way, today's win against Slovakia was an opportunistic at best. They were clearly the better side but that is because the Slovaks barely showed up. On the other hand , Chile was a stronger side for Brazil, and Brazil beat them with ease.

What I am confident about, is that traditionally as the world cup progresses, Brazil gets better while Holland stalls or even regresses. This year could be different, and we shall wait and see.

WoW and I thought I wouldn't say much lol.

This game falls on Canada Day long weekend: I will either celebrate a Brazil victory by doing fireworks (double the fun ) of mourn the loss by heading north and staying there by myself for a few days, away from anything than even remotely resembles a ball!

Ashoor
 
Barazeel will win it. The Orange have played an average game with $hitty teams. Barazeel have played outstandingly with better teams.


I call it 2-1 to Barazeel.
 
LOL!  I love the trash talking.  But I would ask that for the future we refrain from posting thread titles with results in them.  I was watching the Brazil game, after avoiding all media at work today, and I had to open the browser on my phone to look something up and AVN popped up since it was the last page visited.  This thread was right at the top. Luckily it was already 3-0 for Brazil, so nothing was ruined.  But I humbly request that we stick to posting titles with just the team names of games being played that day and let the details be discussed inside the thread.  I hate having to avoid all media and watch the games when I get home.  Stupid work!

All that said, I'm really looking forward to this game.  I think Brazil will win it, but it will be a close one.
 
Chuzin i have never seen you talk this much trash lol

No matter what the outcome is this will be a good game
 
jacob said:
LOL!  I love the trash talking.  But I would ask that for the future we refrain from posting thread titles with results in them.  I was watching the Brazil game, after avoiding all media at work today, and I had to open the browser on my phone to look something up and AVN popped up since it was the last page visited.  This thread was right at the top. Luckily it was already 3-0 for Brazil, so nothing was ruined.  But I humbly request that we stick to posting titles with just the team names of games being played that day and let the details be discussed inside the thread.  I hate having to avoid all media and watch the games when I get home.  Stupid work!

All that said, I'm really looking forward to this game.  I think Brazil will win it, but it will be a close one.
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Jacob, I don't see any thread with the result in the title? not sure which one are you referring to. Within the thread though, we do post predictions, and usually the final result after it is done.

ASHOOR
 
I am anxious to see whether we will have Elano and Melo back in the line-up, both recovering from injuries.

Unfortunately Ramires will not play, having received his second yellow yesterday. We would really need his energy and run to go at the Dutch defense and create spaces. He will be missed, but I am confident that Dunga can change the line to account for his absense.

ASHOOR
 
ASHOOR said:
Jacob, I don't see any thread with the result in the title? not sure which one are you referring to. Within the thread though, we do post predictions, and usually the final result after it is done.

ASHOOR
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This thread was titled something like "Holland and Brazil Yes!"  That meant I knew Brazil won before I finished watching the game.  It's my own fault for looking, I know.
 
Oh oh I get you now, thanks man. Rum is excused, because he didn't know how I was posting these threads.

Basically, I am waiting for the entire round to finish (or at least the macth-up to be set) before I post the macth-ups for the new round.

Later today(be warned) I will post the match-ups for the quarterfinals.

ASHOOR
 
R O B I N said:
Chuzin i have never seen you talk this much trash lol

No matter what the outcome is this will be a good game
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haha apologizes for the title, got a little excited :)  The only-names format is also a good one.

Robin, to put it in perspective a Holland victory over Brazil is much like: 

A Chicago Cubs sweep over the Chicago White Sox
A Chicago Bears sweep over the Green Bay Packers
A Chicago Blackhawks sweep of the Detroit Red Wings (or San Jose Sharks)
A Chicago Bulls team sweep over Detroit Pistons (or Lakers)

:)
 
I always go for the underdog, so I'm rooting for Holland, even though I'm quite certain Brazil will win. 

Brazil 2-0 (but hoping against hope for the opposite result!)
 
Guys, what I am interested to hear is who will win and why. Not who you want to win. For me, I clearly want Brazil to win, and I think they have more than what it takes to win. But this is a great Dutch side and although I haven't much of them, everyone is saying very good things about them.

So even if I think Brazil will win, I think it will be on shootous. Brazil has three players that are out (one is suspended: Ramires) and the other two are injured and are unlikely to return (Felipe Melo and Elano) and although Brazil should still be OK without them, it would be better to have them, or at least one of them.

So again, whether you like or hate Brazil, and vise versa for Holland, take your emotions out of this, and just give us your view about who will win and why?



ASHOOR
 
Hollands defense hasn't really been tested, and going by each individual, it's not a great defense.

If Robben is taken care of then I think Brazil will win easily.


Brazil 2-0
 
I know one thing for sure.. Both teams will Score.....but i think Brazil will just edge them out....


2-1  OR 3-2 for Brazil......
 
Taking emotions out of the equation

Why I think Holland will win:

They simply impressed me more in this tournament.  They won all of their games with a demanding result.  They scored on the Japan team while they were playing an all-out defense...still breaking through and scoring and also keeping a lid on the counter attack.  They are playing much by the book, such as Germany is this year, are true to their formations and positions and the role players know what they are doing.  They seems physically fit and the top players (Robben, V.Persie, Kuyt, Schnider) is quite an offense.  Their defense has also remained solid with no gaping holes that I can remember.  Their goalkeeper has also made some great saves and is defending well.

Brazil will be tough, no doubt, but they didn't impress me this year.  They didn't really blow out any opponents, 2-1 vs North Korea...really?  Their attacking isn't quite the flash I expected...maybe they were playing conservative too, not sure.  But they are going to have to play some tough teams that will know how to defend their attack, and I think Holland is where the buck stops.  The only European style team they played was Portugal and they ended up tying them.  They ran through similar style playing like Chile (South America) and Ivory Coast (Africa).  African and S. American soccer tends to be more flashy and stylish while Europeans stick with conservative and by-the-book...look at Germany, England, France, etc. 

In point, it's really flash vs. conservative.  I think the conservative, by-the-book, attacking style of Holland will beat out the flashy style of Brazil.  Brazil's reputation is built on their play...their spectacular goals, and their footwork.  But I feel that if Holland can contain that, and attack them and break their psyche, it's a done deal.
 
Rumrum Holland has been playing the same style football for a long time and it has got them nowhere and sure they haven't lost to a team yet, but  they haven't played a tough team to get here. So if you ask me Brasil has the advantage as they played Portagal but they had the group won so they never brought anything to the game. Your Holand team can stay to there conservative style but this is where Brasil will show them the real game

 
I don't know if you guys have actually watched Holland play in this world cup, but it's anything but conservative. There's actually been a lot of criticism of their new style of play, which is defensive, and nothing like their traditional total football. 
 
rumrum said:
haha apologizes for the title, got a little excited :)  The only-names format is also a good one.

Robin, to put it in perspective a Holland victory over Brazil is much like: 

A Chicago Cubs sweep over the Chicago White Sox
A Chicago Bears sweep over the Green Bay Packers
A Chicago Blackhawks sweep of the Detroit Red Wings (or San Jose Sharks)
A Chicago Bulls team sweep over Detroit Pistons (or Lakers)

:)
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dangg ramsen i guess you really dont like the detroit teams lol  :bangin:

but im hoping brazil wins...i'm saying it's gonna be 3-0 score
 
Brazil with few midfield options to play the Dutch

PORT ELIZABETH, South Africa (AP)?Brazil coach Dunga may have a hard time selecting his midfield for the quarterfinal against the Netherlands at the World Cup on Friday because of injuries and a suspension.

Kaka and veteran Gilberto Silva are set to start at Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, but a suspension to Ramires and injuries to Elano, Felipe Melo and Julio Baptista leave the coach with few options for the other two midfield positions.

Elano is definitely out because of a bruised bone in his right ankle, while Felipe Melo and Julio Baptista are doubtful to make the starting lineup.

Felipe Melo practiced before Brazil headed from Johannesburg to Port Elizabeth on Wednesday, but it wasn?t clear whether he would fully recover in time after injuring his left ankle against Portugal in Brazil?s final group match. The injury kept him out of Brazil?s 3-0 win over Chile in the round of 16 on Monday.

Julio Baptista replaced the suspended Kaka in midfield against Portugal and injured his left knee in that match. Julio Baptista missed the victory over Chile but also practiced Thursday.

Elano is the most serious problem for Brazil, however, and he could even miss the rest of the World Cup because of his injury, according to Brazil doctors. He had been key in the Brazilian midfield and will be the biggest loss for Dunga on Friday.

The Galatasaray player scored in each of Brazil?s first two matches before getting injured in a hard tackle against Ivory Coast.

?I wish I could be playing now,? Elano said. ?I will keep undergoing treatment, and hopefully I will get better to still help the team in this World Cup.?

Daniel Alves came in for Elano in the previous two matches, and Dunga used Ramires to replace Felipe Melo against Chile. But Ramires received his second yellow card and will not be allowed to face the Netherlands.

?It was a shame,? Ramires said. ?I played well and would have been good to stay on the team. But there is nothing I can do. It just happened.?

Ramires gave the pass for Robinho?s goal in the second half against Chile.

World Cup veteran Kleberson and Wolfsburg captain Josue are the only defensive midfielders left if Felipe Melo is not in shape. Josue came in when Felipe Melo was injured just before halftime against Portugal. Kleberson played a few minutes after replacing Kaka against Chile.

Brazil was without its three regular staring midfielders against Portugal and struggled to break through its opponent?s defensive setup in a 0-0 draw in Durban.

When Kaka was struggling to regain his form following a season hit by a series of injuries with Real Madrid, Dunga even tried to use Robinho in the playmaking position with Nilmar in attack.

The players have been downplaying the lack of options, however, saying the team will stay competitive regardless of who is starting.

?We have a group,? defender Juan said. ?Our work has always been based on the group.?

Brazil is trying to win its sixth world title in South Africa. At the 2006 tournament in Germany, the team was eliminated by France in the quarterfinals.
 
No matter how deep Brazil is, you take 4 players from their line-up, and you sure will suffer. This is when there will be pressure on Dunga for not having brought Ronaldinho and Diego, just to name a few.

ASHOOR
 
rumrum said:
Taking emotions out of the equation

Why I think Holland will win:

They simply impressed me more in this tournament.  They won all of their games with a demanding result.  They scored on the Japan team while they were playing an all-out defense...still breaking through and scoring and also keeping a lid on the counter attack.  They are playing much by the book, such as Germany is this year, are true to their formations and positions and the role players know what they are doing.  They seems physically fit and the top players (Robben, V.Persie, Kuyt, Schnider) is quite an offense.  Their defense has also remained solid with no gaping holes that I can remember.  Their goalkeeper has also made some great saves and is defending well.

Brazil will be tough, no doubt, but they didn't impress me this year.  They didn't really blow out any opponents, 2-1 vs North Korea...really?  Their attacking isn't quite the flash I expected...maybe they were playing conservative too, not sure.  But they are going to have to play some tough teams that will know how to defend their attack, and I think Holland is where the buck stops.  The only European style team they played was Portugal and they ended up tying them.  They ran through similar style playing like Chile (South America) and Ivory Coast (Africa).  African and S. American soccer tends to be more flashy and stylish while Europeans stick with conservative and by-the-book...look at Germany, England, France, etc. 

In point, it's really flash vs. conservative.  I think the conservative, by-the-book, attacking style of Holland will beat out the flashy style of Brazil.  Brazil's reputation is built on their play...their spectacular goals, and their footwork.  But I feel that if Holland can contain that, and attack them and break their psyche, it's a done deal.
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Bro, good analysis, but your information about Brazil is a little inaccurate. Unless you haven't watched any of their matches or read nothing about them, you would know by now that Brazil is not playing the typical South American, attacking, samba style. They are actually playing a mix of European and Brazilian style, with a lot of emphsis on defense. This is why for the first time in Brazil's history, there are two defensive midfields (which is like heresy in Brazil)

So it is not really flash vs. conservative. It is more like (Flash+Conservative)vs.(conservative)

Read this article, and you will know what I am talking about: Who needs flashy football when you have brilliant Brazil : http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2890/world-cup-2010/2010/06/28/2000411/world-cup-2010-comment-who-needs-flashy-football-when-you


ASHOOR
 
Can't wait for this game. Me and some of my friends are heading to St.Clair to watch the game since most of us have work off in the morning. All of them are Brazil fans except for me I don't are who wins I just want to be part of the celebration. lol

If Brazil wins I will celebrate for you Ashoor.
 
ASHOOR said:
No matter how deep Brazil is, you take 4 players from their line-up, and you sure will suffer. This is when there will be pressure on Dunga for not having brought Ronaldinho and Diego, just to name a few.

ASHOOR
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I am astonished to see Ronaldinho left out, Few other countries could do with his services... if I was him, i would seek Asylum In Doha and play for Qatar  :giggle:
 
Dalida, that would be so fun if Brazil wins. It is sunny and warm tomorrow, and that is as Brazilian as it gets lol.

HAHA Senalco. I don't know what to tell you man: when it comes to Ronaldinho, I keep changing my opinion with every problem in the Brazil team. If all the players are healthy, then no, we don't need him. But given that 4 players will be missing from tomorrow's game, then there is clearly a need for him or any other good players that were left out.

But Brazil is not using this as an excuse and they have already come out and acknowledged that this won't change their plans and will still play as a team.

ASHOOR
 
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