Persecution of Christians in Palestine

What's with the title of your post? Even the biggest haters of Israel/Zionism still have the intellectually honesty to name "Israel" if they want to address the Israel nation (i.e. Candace Owens). Your post made it sound like Christians are persecuted in the so-called Islamic state of Palestine (West Bank and Gaza), in which indeed they are. Islamic intolerance is rife there. So you're 100% right that persecution of Christian does occur thoroughly in Palestine. But you deny the state of Israel and prefer the Hebrew-Roman name Peleshet/Palestina...Okay...

Regarding persecution of Christians in Israel, that priest is right to an extent. It happens in the most conservative Jewish areas of Jerusalem, which includes spitting at Christians (including poor nuns) and cursing at crosses. It's khmaroota and religious insanity. I'd arrest & question them. I would never defend religious bigots from all sides.

But then again, this minister/priest (Reverend Munther Issac) will still be more safe in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv than in Islamic Palestinian cities like Ramallah, Gaza, or any other Muslim cities like Baghdad and Cairo for that matter (if he were to walk around in his costume). Heard of Coptic bishops being beaten by Islamists in Egypt? At least Jews don't beat you. But they don't have to bow down to you just because you're a Christian minister.

Sorry, but Israel can't kiss the feet of ministers and priests, like the US does. And this Palestinian minister should know this because Israel is not a Christian country. Surprise, surprise. Btw, horrific Christians (and their ministers) exist too in the US. They'll be discriminatory towards atheists, gays and even Jews (some are very antizionist as much as there are very Zionist Christians). There is hate and discrimination everywhere. So Jews aren't excepted.

Israel doesn't recognize some Jewish groups too. Maybe Evangelicalism is a dangerous ideology for them. I can understand why they're threatened by them. They see evangelicals like that stalker girlfriend who is obsessed with you and think you're special when you just want to get away from her (since evangelicals get off so hard by thinking Jews are God's chosen people and Israel is like God's land on earth). Heck, even our own Assyrians can't stand "injeeleyen" and some would slam them as "hoodayeh" (as if that's an insult). I actually defend evangelicals from such Assyrians. I don't care much about evangelicals. I like their entertaining Arabic gospel music. But their homophobia turns me off and they can be hyper about Jesus and the bible. They're a bit too preachy and fundamental. So I can get why some people don't want them around.

And now regarding you my friend Mar Mari...Habibi, all this blah blah about Jews & yet it was a Muslim who stabbed you (and almost killed you) at the end. Jews will not accept Christ and never will. Who cares? It's their religion nasha. You can't change their religion. And it's sad that they put this under "Christian persecution". Not believing in Jesus does not mean you "persecute" Christians. Sheesh. 🤦‍♂️
 
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You will forever be a Zionist apologist. Always making up excuses for them but will not put the same standards upon other people. Perhaps you are evangelical and believe in "the chosen ones nonsense".
 
Crocodile Bani said:
You will forever be a Zionist apologist. Always making up excuses for them but will not put the same standards upon other people. Perhaps you are evangelical and believe in "the chosen ones nonsense".
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I am at least open and honest of my Zionism. Who gives a shit? A lot of Assyrians on Facebook share my views. Shocking. You can just say you hate Jews (instead of shielding it with "I hate Zionism"). At least I'm admitting my Zionism. God bless the Jews. They just raped Hezbollah and the Iranian Muslim extremist leaders. Wallah, if this won't turn me into a bible thumping Christian (since the bible was hyper about Israel defeating her enemies), then nothing will. 😂

So what am I to you now? First I was Jewish college student, then some sort of a woke queer, and now I'm evangelical? Amazing contradictions. Err, sorry, the evangelicals can be pretty insane when it comes to earth's geological history (i.e. young earth creationism). Oh and many believe I'll go straight to hell cos of my homosexuality. You've always known that I was that "gay atheist" here. Nice try man. Bring on the the next label now...A freemason perhaps?
 
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I am at least open and honest of my Zionism. Who gives a shit? A lot of Assyrians on Facebook share my views. Shocking. You can just say you hate Jews (instead of shielding it with "I hate Zionism"). At least I'm admitting my Zionism. God bless the Jews. They just raped Hezbollah and the Iranian Muslim extremist leaders. Wallah, if this won't turn me into a bible thumping Christian (since the bible was hyper about Israel defeating her enemies), then nothing will. 😂

So what am I to you now? First I was Jewish college student, then some sort of a woke queer, and now I'm evangelical? Amazing contradictions. Err, sorry, the evangelicals can be pretty insane when it comes to earth's geological history (i.e. young earth creationism). Oh and many believe I'll go straight to hell cos of my homosexuality. You've always known that I was that "gay atheist" here. Nice try man. Bring on the the next label now...A freemason perhaps?
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Freemason is the perfect label. Israel supporters, pillow biters, evangelicals who ignore the teachings of the New testament are all masonic and evil.
 
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Freemason is the perfect label. Israel supporters, pillow biters, evangelicals who ignore the teachings of the New testament are all masonic and evil.
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So I read Freemasonry is a fraternal organization "that traces its roots back to the medieval stonemason guilds. It is built upon the foundational principles of brotherly love, relief, and truth; and promotes personal growth, social responsibility, and moral uprightness among its members."

Okay, I'd join that but I'm not really a 'bro' sorta person. 🤷‍♀️ Zhareh, they're a peacekeeping bunch of dudes who are against violence and terror, how did they get all tangled with Jewish conspiracy theories and even Hitler crapping on them? Oh wait, cos they added Zionists as their allies. Not surprised.

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Interesting read though. Had no idea that they are a Christian fraternal organization. I thought of them as some sort of Jews sitting underground in tunnels scheming things.

Except here on Britannica it says some are rather anti-Jewish (interesting):

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My goodness you read such nonsense. Hollywood, The Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, banks, pornographers, zionists, LGBT lobbyists. They are all Freemasons. And lets not forget the most pro-LGBT pope in history who is dismantling the Catholic church. Thank goodness for Mar Mari.
 
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My goodness you read such nonsense. Hollywood, The Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, banks, pornographers, zionists, LGBT lobbyists. They are all Freemasons. And lets not forget the most pro-LGBT pope in history who is dismantling the Catholic church. Thank goodness for Mar Mari.
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Nasha what you on about? That "nonsense" is from their own stupid website and Britannica. They are bunch of dudes who created their own religious group and some seem to be not fond of Jews as well.

I couldn't care less about Hollywood, LGBT lobby, the pope and pornographers. A gay man doesn't have to be part of the LGBTQRSTUV+ community in the same sense that a woman doesn't have to be a feminist to be a proud woman. But again, there's a hole in your theory; your leftist LGBT lobbyists swoon over Palestine and abhor Zionism. That's why these conspiracy theories don't work and are contradictory.
 
Only contradictory because you put labels such as "leftist" to describe me. I am neither left wing nor right wing. I don't like any extreme ideology whether it be left wing extremism or right wing extremism or and type of political or religious extremism. If a pillow biter defends human rights of Palestinians, great! We have the same opinion on that issue. Doesn't mean that I will agree with all opinions that come from a pillow biter.

You continue believing that Freemasons, Zionists and Illuminatiists are all different. They are all equal sides of the same triangle. All with one agenda and that is to destroy Christianity.
 
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Only contradictory because you put labels such as "leftist" to describe me. I am neither left wing nor right wing. I don't like any extreme ideology whether it be left wing extremism or right wing extremism or and type of political or religious extremism. If a pillow biter defends human rights of Palestinians, great! We have the same opinion on that issue. Doesn't mean that I will agree with all opinions that come from a pillow biter.

You continue believing that Freemasons, Zionists and Illuminatiists are all different. They are all equal sides of the same triangle. All with one agenda and that is to destroy Christianity.
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No man, all I said is that LGBT lobbyists are excessive defenders of Palestine. They're all over the media with their support ("Queers for Palestine"). And I never said you're a leftist. I'd assumed that you're an anti-Zionist Christian right winger in the likes of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. That sort. But you can correct me if I'm wrong.

The Illuminati are nothing more than a bugaboo of conspiracy theorists, a convenient scapegoat for why the world is going to shit and the rich getting richer and the poor poorer. Yes, it was a real cabal, like the freemasons, founded by the real Adam Weishaupt (a German Christian). But it was disbanded. Only now it developed to a fictional society/cabal that influences the whole world in many conspiracy theories.

Christians are destroying themselves. The religion is declining in the West, and I'm not sure how Zionists are behind that? If anything, the "Zionist bible" (aka Old Testament) made me more run away from Judeo-Christian beliefs. You'd make a point if you're saying there is atheism propaganda in the media, and that's true, since Hollywood films usually show unbelievers as positive characters, and Christians/Evangelicals as ignorant nuts.

P.S. Christianity benefits Zionism. That's why so many Christians in the US are ultra Zionists. So it will be rather counterintuitive for Zionists to "destroy" Christianity, la?
 
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No man, all I said is that LGBT lobbyists are excessive defenders of Palestine. They're all over the media with their support ("Queers for Palestine"). And I never said you're a leftist. I'd assumed that you're an anti-Zionist Christian right winger in the likes of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. That sort. But you can correct me if I'm wrong.

The Illuminati are nothing more than a bugaboo of conspiracy theorists, a convenient scapegoat for why the world is going to shit and the rich getting richer and the poor poorer. Yes, it was a real cabal, like the freemasons, founded by the real Adam Weishaupt (a German Christian). But it was disbanded. Only now it developed to a fictional society/cabal that influences the whole world in many conspiracy theories.

Christians are destroying themselves. The religion is declining in the West, and I'm not sure how Zionists are behind that? If anything, the "Zionist bible" (aka Old Testament) made me more run away from Judeo-Christian beliefs. You'd make a point if you're saying there is atheism propaganda in the media, and that's true, since Hollywood films usually show unbelievers as positive characters, and Christians/Evangelicals as ignorant nuts.

P.S. Christianity benefits Zionism. That's why so many Christians in the US are ultra Zionists. So it will be rather counterintuitive for Zionists to "destroy" Christianity, la?
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These American Christians are not real Christians. They are Jews who think they are Christians. Even Netanyahu rejected the Messianic Christians when they wanted to be classed as Jewish in Israel. The only thing i ever agreed with Bibi over. American Christians do not understand and cannot explain the difference between a Christian and a Jew. They are a perfect example of how Zionism/Illuminatiism/Freemasonry has corrupted Christianity.
 
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These American Christians are not real Christians. They are Jews who think they are Christians. Even Netanyahu rejected the Messianic Christians when they wanted to be classed as Jewish in Israel. The only thing i ever agreed with Bibi over. American Christians do not understand and cannot explain the difference between a Christian and a Jew. They are a perfect example of how Zionism/Illuminatiism/Freemasonry has corrupted Christianity.
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Well they're very "Jesus this Jesus that". They're madly Christian. As for Messianic Jews (who are actually, you can say, Evangelicals pretending to be Jews), they're actually "appropriating" Judaism, and so Jews cannot stand them. So I can see why Bibi sees them as a threat. Orthodox Jews get triggered by a Judaism sect (Messianic Judaism) that chucks in Jesus as the lord and saviour, since Jesus is not even actual figure to them, let alone the Messiah.
 
Ita khzee whose twitter account you are referring to. Look at all his posts. It could easily be yours as the content is like the stuff you post on here. Funny that he is the only one pointing fingers at Palestinians when other independent media is covering the same incident and blaming settlers for the violence.

You need to watch some Mar Mari videos.
 
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Ita khzee whose twitter account you are referring to. Look at all his posts. It could easily be yours as the content is like the stuff you post on here. Funny that he is the only one pointing fingers at Palestinians when other independent media is covering the same incident and blaming settlers for the violence.

You need to watch some Mar Mari videos.
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I have admitted that even the Israeli side posts lies (so I'm not blinded as you think I am). But this a video which clearly shows who the perpetrators are and what they're doing. Mar Mari would passionately condemn this and speak against Islamism (as he did, no wonder they stabbed him) and discrimination against Christians in the Muslim world.

There are also many Twitter users like this guy, Arab Christians, atheists and even shockingly Muslims, who post pro-Israel content. It's not just pointed hatted orthodox Jews making such content. Oh, in case you say these are Israelis/Jews throwing rocks at the church - Israelis are not permitted to enter Bethlehem, as the land is under control of the Palestinian Authority, thus Israel has extremely limited ability to protect its citizens in Bethlehem.

Speaking of Mar Mari's stabber, what was his motive? Who was behind him? I'm asking sincerely. I really wonder what's your views on that incident. I will fall dead if you said he was an actually Muslim extremist and no Jews/Israel were behind him. Lol.
 
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No evidence in your video that shows who was actually committing the violence.

Funny how Archbishop Hanna and other Palestinian Christian leaders NEVER talk about Muslim violence against them but constantly mention the settlers. Along with independent media. But you find some random and biased bloke and swear by anything he says without looking at other evidence. I get it. If a Nigerian driving a Japanese trucks runs over an Uzbekistani crossing the road in Bolivia on their way to a Thai restaurant, it is the fault of all the Muslims.

Speaking of Mar Mari's stabber, what was his motive? Who was behind him? I'm asking sincerely. I really wonder what's your views on that incident. I will fall dead if you said he was an actually Muslim extremist and no Jews/Israel were behind him. Lol.
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Whilst it would not surprise me that Mossad would play a part in an assassination attempt on an influential non-Zionist Christian leader, they would have gotten somebody more competent that would not have gotten caught. There is zero evidence that Mossad or other Israel agencies are involved in this case and all the evidence that he acted alone on his own accord.

Mar Mari's videos are often controversial if you are non-Orthodox Christian. He has a go at Protestants, the Pope among others. He always talks about going to heaven and not seeing Muhammed, Krishna or Buddha but only Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Quite a few videos of his, he dismantles elements of Judaism and Islam (Sam Shamoun's YouTube videos, if you can tolerate his interruptions go even further) which I am a fan of, but obviously if you followed Judaism or Islam 100%, would not like what you were hearing.

That 16 year old punk was a nutjob who was offended by Mar Mari's sermons against Muhammed and Islam. In his simple mind, he thought he would be doing something great for Islam and Islamic people but it all backfired. Just reading the YouTube comments on Mar Mari's videos, a good number of Muslims love listening to Mar Mari and his views. They may not agree with everything but Mar Mari has a style that is thought provoking and that is why many are at least listening to him. Many were apologising for the actions of the 16 year old punk. Therefore it all backfired on him. He achieved nothing and if anything, was the grestest advertisement of Mar Mari. For those who didn't know him before, they knew him after the attempt on his life and he is still preaching far and wide.
 
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No evidence in your video that shows who was actually committing the violence.

Funny how Archbishop Hanna and other Palestinian Christian leaders NEVER talk about Muslim violence against them but constantly mention the settlers. Along with independent media. But you find some random and biased bloke and swear by anything he says without looking at other evidence. I get it. If a Nigerian driving a Japanese trucks runs over an Uzbekistani crossing the road in Bolivia on their way to a Thai restaurant, it is the fault of all the Muslims.
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This is clearly Bethlehem/Palestine (look at the number plates) and there are people literally throwing rocks at the church (who look visibly Arab). And as said, Jews are barely found in Bethlehem.

The Christian leaders do get harassed by Muslims as well there, but are a bit too afraid to say it (and are used to it). As Assyrians we know this cos we've experienced it. Besides, why is it a problem when people blame Muslims (as in the perpetrators)? This seems to faze you I don't know why. What about Paki Muslims in England gangraping young English girls and the woke media that hid it in the past 10 years because it was "racist" and "Islamophobic" to bring up their background?

Whilst it would not surprise me that Mossad would play a part in an assassination attempt on an influential non-Zionist Christian leader, they would have gotten somebody more competent that would not have gotten caught. There is zero evidence that Mossad or other Israel agencies are involved in this case and all the evidence that he acted alone on his own accord.
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I'm gobsmacked. Actually glad to see that you saw past your bias.

Mar Mari's videos are often controversial if you are non-Orthodox Christian. He has a go at Protestants, the Pope among others. He always talks about going to heaven and not seeing Muhammed, Krishna or Buddha but only Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Quite a few videos of his, he dismantles elements of Judaism and Islam (Sam Shamoun's YouTube videos, if you can tolerate his interruptions go even further) which I am a fan of, but obviously if you followed Judaism or Islam 100%, would not like what you were hearing.
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Sam Shamoun equally condemns Islam and Judaism. I applaud him for that. He's smart, quick witted but he can be annoying khacha due to his interruptions as you said.

That 16 year old punk was a nutjob who was offended by Mar Mari's sermons against Muhammed and Islam. In his simple mind, he thought he would be doing something great for Islam and Islamic people but it all backfired. Just reading the YouTube comments on Mar Mari's videos, a good number of Muslims love listening to Mar Mari and his views. They may not agree with everything but Mar Mari has a style that is thought provoking and that is why many are at least listening to him. Many were apologising for the actions of the 16 year old punk. Therefore it all backfired on him. He achieved nothing and if anything, was the grestest advertisement of Mar Mari. For those who didn't know him before, they knew him after the attempt on his life and he is still preaching far and wide.
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I agree about the advertisement part. But disagree with some other things here you said. He's more than a "punk". He was sent by his Quran. He had an ideology behind his actions, and many Islamists around him (who are quiet of course) incited him to commit his act. As the saying goes, when there's one cockroach there's a lot more hiding beneath. On TikTok you'll find many Muslims that strongly disagree with Mar Mari (as I do btw) and some even supported the stabbing.

Why can't you condemn Islam as you do Judaism (like Shamoun)? Not telling you to blame Islam for everything, but to hold the religion accountable when the perpetrators say "my Quran told me so".
 
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I don't condemn Judaism. I condemn Zionism. Get that through to your LGBT, politically correct, cognitive distorted brain. I don't blame all Jews for Zionists. Many oppose Zionism so why would I have a problem with those Jews?

I don't condemn Christians (as I am one), but I call out Christian Zionists and Christians who trip over themselves supporting LGBT propaganda. Not all Christians are guilty of this so why would I have a problem with them?

I don't condemn Islam. I condemn terrorism. If a Turk murders an Assyrian, I do not point fingers at Indonesians or Senegalese because of their religion. You may do that and you may rationalise that, but I cannot rationalise this thinking. It is a cognitive distortion.

I also call out fake Islamists like Al Qaeda and ISIS who are backed by the USA and Israel, making them nothing more than a Mossad subsidiary. The Zionist/Freemason coalition have succeeded in brainwashing so many Muslims into thinking that all Christians are their enemy and brainwashing many Christians that all Muslims are their enemy. I call out these Freemasons and Zionists (as does Mar Mari so often).

As for Sam Shamoun (who I have only recently discovered so I am not an expert on him), he gets into the religion side of things. Dismantles their religious beliefs and shows why Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Aside from his interuptions and not always allowing the other person to speak, he is knowledgeable about scriptures and knowledgeable about other religions and their distortions. Why would I disagree with his message? He sticks to religion from what I have seen. What is there to disagree with from my Christian point of view? As a Christian, I can only agree with him. I have yet to see any videos where he gets political or spreads political style propaganda but as stated earlier, I have only just recently discovered him. I may be wrong about him.
 
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I don't condemn Judaism. I condemn Zionism. Get that through to your LGBT, politically correct, cognitive distorted brain. I don't blame all Jews for Zionists. Many oppose Zionism so why would I have a problem with those Jews?

I don't condemn Christians (as I am one), but I call out Christian Zionists and Christians who trip over themselves supporting LGBT propaganda. Not all Christians are guilty of this so why would I have a problem with them?

I don't condemn Islam. I condemn terrorism. If a Turk murders an Assyrian, I do not point fingers at Indonesians or Senegalese because of their religion. You may do that and you may rationalise that, but I cannot rationalise this thinking. It is a cognitive distortion.
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This is getting silly and contorted. So I'm politically correct and yet you uttered this politically correct rhetoric that your biggest adversaries like Obama would spout out ("terrorism has no religion"), where they try hard separating Islam from terrorism to be politically correct and not hurt the general Muslim population feelings. I thought you're that say-how-it's-like guy?

Zionism is a Jewish cause. MOST Jews are Zionists (believe it or not). This isn't something to disagree with. It's a fact. Today, it is more PC to label yourself anti-Zionist because Jews are a race. 50 years ago, people like you (maybe not you?) would probably just hate the Jewish race. Nowadays, these folks are masquerading themselves as "antizionists". It's hilarious. At least those of my ilk do openly say they're against Islam, Islamism and even some Muslim immigration. Who is PC now?

Judaism, based on the Torah and Talmud, is deplorable (Psalms and Proverbs are nice btw). But thank god most Jews don't take their book literally, like SOME Muslims do and have done so. No cognitive distortion here. Just abrasive, politically incorrect truth. Actually, if a Kurd or Turk murders an Assyrian, we would have the habit of hating all Kurds and Turks (some Assyrians go too far with their Kurdish hatred). I actually hate racism (from all sides). Religion can be criticized as it's manmade, but nobody chooses to be their ethnicity. So why should I hate Turks, Jews, Arabs, Kurds, Afghans, etc? Their acts comes from their religion, not from their ethnicity. If Kurds were Christians, do you think they would've persecuted us? I highly doubt it!

I also call out fake Islamists like Al Qaeda and ISIS who are backed by the USA and Israel, making them nothing more than a Mossad subsidiary. The Zionist/Freemason coalition have succeeded in brainwashing so many Muslims into thinking that all Christians are their enemy and brainwashing many Christians that all Muslims are their enemy. I call out these Freemasons and Zionists (as does Mar Mari so often).
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More strange Islamophilia from you. "My Muslim bros, don't kill us, we should love each other, them Zionists want us to hate each other, they're the problem, not you". So cute wallah. And totally not politically correct. And yeah, sorry there, ISIS and Al Qaeda are Islamic as hell. True forms of Islam even. Is this too PC?

Btw, who said all Muslims are the enemy? Jesus, you victimize Muslims so much. You've clearly grown up in Australia and have no idea about life under Islamic countries, much like Greta Thunberg and other leftist hippies. And I mean that with respect, I'm not trying to demean you. I really implore to to go and live in Egypt, Indonesia, Algeria, the West Bank and your other Muslim favourites (since you enjoy travelling and living abroad - Not saying there's anything wrong with that, enjoy it). Maybe your mind will change.

Regarding Sam, I didn't say you should disagree with him. He is not political I think, but he is equally anti-Islam and anti-Judaism. He has mocked Islam once or twice though and has even mocked rabbis. He can be rude and disruptive, but that guy's a fair game.
 
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