Kurdish army deployed in Kirkuk, Kurds and Turkmen share posts.

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Seems like assyrians are missing out.  :oops:

Quite some time ago Kurdistan deployed 12,000 soldiers to protect the people of Kirkuk againts baathist arabs. Also Kurds that hold top posts in Kirkuk decided to step down and let Turkmen officials take over.

Kurds and Turkmen in Kirkuk revealed that they have agreed to share local positions in the province following the resignation of governor Abdul Rahman Mostapha and head of Kirkuk provincial council Rizkar Ali.

Kurdistan Alliance MP Alaa? Talabani told Alsumaria News that Hassan Torhan is the Turkman candidate most likely to head Kirkuk provincial council while MP Najm Din Karim will be appointed as governor. Karim is a senior official in the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan led by Talabani. The general directors in the province will be changed as well, MP Alaa? Talabani said.

http://turkmenelinews.blogspot.com/2...aq-kirkuk.html

Good move by the Kurds
 
Hanuni said:
As is your brain.
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LOOL Good one.

ideas, just because you are back, doesn't mean you start posting stupid stuff again. Please comply and be nice. Don't try to provoe anyone, otherwise you will be kicked out.

Thanks

ASHOOR
 
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ASHOOR said:
LOOL Good one.

ideas, just because you are back, doesn't mean you start posting stupid stuff again. Please comply and be nice. Don't try to provoe anyone, otherwise you will be kicked out.

Thanks

ASHOOR
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I have not insulted anyone :)
 
ideas said:
I have not insulted anyone :)
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I never mentioned 'insult.'  It is about your intention from every post to provoke people and get them all fired up, which at the end of the day doesn't help anyone on these forums.

ASHOOR
 
ASHOOR said:
I never mentioned 'insult.'  It is about your intention from every post to provoke people and get them all fired up, which at the end of the day doesn't help anyone on these forums.

ASHOOR
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I don't have any intentions. I'm just posting the news that fail to reach this website, yet somehow anything anti-Kurd is posted. Also I'm just pointing out facts, it's not my fault you don't like them. This will surely have a positive affect for Kurds in regards to Kirkuk.
 
They are not sharing posts with Turkmen, they are appointing party puppets.  Nothing new here and this is not good for Turkmen or Assyrians.  Or Kurds for that matter. They will continue to land grab until the rest of Iraq is fed up with them and decides to put them back in line.
 
Ashoor, qamo biqbalet awa khmeeqa lakha? Yatit raba spy qat awa nasha shadooreleh mindyaneh qa kha kma soorayeh lakha hamzoomeh darqool atourayeh.  Akhchee lakheleh qat masqidlan. 
 
jacob said:
They are not sharing posts with Turkmen, they are appointing party puppets.  Nothing new here and this is not good for Turkmen or Assyrians.  Or Kurds for that matter. They will continue to land grab until the rest of Iraq is fed up with them and decides to put them back in line.
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You'd really like that won't you? the day the civil war begins? I'm sure you'd follow it all on your comfy western bed.. right? BBC news maybe? while assyrians die left and right? right? tell me I'm wrong?

Anyways back to reality, why is not good? the other Turks are Turkeys puppets and they don't really care about them they just use them. At least we give them rights/protection. It is indeed good for Kurds, if turkmen in Erbil can be persuaded to vote for Kurdish lists so can Kirkuki Turkmen. Also with what is the rest of Iraq going to push us? with the 40,000 Kurds in the Iraqi army? and the 30,000 soldiers + 30,000 federal police to be added soon? or the 200,000 peshmerga? don't make me laugh.
 
ideas said:
Also with what is the rest of Iraq going to push us? with the 40,000 Kurds in the Iraqi army? and the 30,000 soldiers + 30,000 federal police to be added soon? or the 200,000 peshmerga? don't make me laugh.
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With American airplanes, American weapons and a 500,000 strong Arab army. Assyrian saw their rage in 1933, soon Kurds will too if they do not behave according to Iraqi law.
 
Ha! funny man. Iraq will not have anything close to an air force before 2020 by then the Kurds would have gotten their own air force/defense too as there are many pilots training in slemani. Saddam's 1 million forces had trouble vs 25,000 tribe men armed with ak's if they want to take on the well trained and armed 200,000 peshmerga in our mountains let them try.

You make me laugh. lol.
 
Ideas, your last reply is pure comedy. In 1996, even after Iraq's army was crippled by the gulf war, it was able to move towards Arbil and almost take it again, had it not been for the Americans intervening in the last minute.

The Iraqi army was feared even by the Iranian army, and now you are saying this? Please!

The 25,000 men you are talking about were mountain gorillas and they fight an untraditional warfare. You can't even see them, so how can you fight them. And by the way, there was a lot of Assyrians fighting in the mountains against Saddam.

Having said that, the current peshmarga with all their western backed training, generous funding and the stability in the region, has allowed them to make great progress in a lot of areas, while the Iraqi army has been in a very difficult state in the last few years. But once Iraq defeats and recovers from terrorism, they will set their sight on the north.

Ashoor

Ashoor
 
ideas said:
Ha! funny man. Iraq will not have anything close to an air force before 2020 by then the Kurds would have gotten their own air force/defense too as there are many pilots training in slemani. Saddam's 1 million forces had trouble vs 25,000 tribe men armed with ak's if they want to take on the well trained and armed 200,000 peshmerga in our mountains let them try.

You make me laugh. lol.
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My Friend, if it wasnt for the No-Fly Zone there would not have been an Autonomous Kurdistan in occupied Assyria. Its the interests of the western Goverments that made support the Iraqi Kurds there. Especially the interests of Israel. Look at Libya wasnt it for the oil wealth, noone would care about the libyan revolution. They would close their eyes and leave Gadaffi to smash all the rebels.

See yourself as a market produkt that is currently more valueable then for example an Assyrian in the eyes of the western governments. However as we know a product will become of less interests whenever there is another product that satisfies your desire (plans) much better.

Beside that, have you EVER thought about why the US, Eruope and Israel have put the PKK as terror group while KDP and PUK are potrayed as the good Kurds? "Good Kurds" that have taken up arms against eachother (tribe interests)?

Before I will give you my opinion on that, Im waiting for yours. :)
 
ASHOOR said:
Ideas, your last reply is pure comedy. In 1996, even after Iraq's army was crippled by the gulf war, it was able to move towards Arbil and almost take it again, had it not been for the Americans intervening in the last minute.

The Iraqi army was feared even by the Iranian army, and now you are saying this? Please!

The 25,000 men you are talking about were mountain gorillas and they fight an untraditional warfare. You can't even see them, so how can you fight them. And by the way, there was a lot of Assyrians fighting in the mountains against Saddam.

Having said that, the current peshmarga with all their western backed training, generous funding and the stability in the region, has allowed them to make great progress in a lot of areas, while the Iraqi army has been in a very difficult state in the last few years. But once Iraq defeats and recovers from terrorism, they will set their sight on the north.

Ashoor

Ashoor
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Again you are a very funny man. Seriously you call my post comedy but it just makes me lol so laud when I see you go to big bro haha! first of all I was talking about 1966 and not 1996. In 1966 the Iraqi army which had a much bigger force and air force was getting it's ass kicked by 25,000 tribes men which later led Iraq to agree to autonomy in 1970. Also in 1966 Iraq moved in due to divisions in Kurdistan it self.

Are you crazy? The Iraqi army has thus far received more weapons and training from the US than the peshmerga have, lol. Like I said there are 40,000 kurds (loyal to Kurdistan) currently in the Iraqi army (in all fields including air force), a further 30,000 soldiers are to be added (already began) 15th Mountain Division (Planned transfer from KRG), 16th Mountain Division (Planned transfer from KRG), 30,000 federal police (their like the army.. armed with light armored vehicles) so that makes 100,000 kurds in the Iraqi army loyal to Kurdistan, and not to mention that the green zone is protected by Kurds as there are 10,000 peshmerga in Baghdad lol.

Now let's move onto the peshmerga currently at 200,000. This will most likely reduce to 80,000 very well trained and armed regulars and possibly some reserves. so that will bring the number of Kurdish troops back to 190,000 well trained and armed troops paid by Baghdad, and nothing stops the KRG from acquiring their own backup forces lol.

As the Iraqis plan to build their air force so are the Kurds.

Kurdish Iraqi pilots perform an outside check on their plane before taking off at an airfield in the Kurdish town of Arbat, 30 kms east of the northern Iraqi city of Sulaimaniayh, 24 January 2008. Eighteen pilots, four of them women, graduated yesterday at the town's agricultural airfield established by the Kurdish autonomous region government

Many Kurdish pilots get training from the US in Iraq too.

http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=263

Basically this is what the 'known' KRG has very high ospec (in terms of military) in terms of aviation

Kurdish Regional Guards Aviation
KRBG Observation Squadron-Irbil Lt observation helicopters
KRBG Training Squadron-Sulaymaniyah IKARUS C 42
KRBG MedEvac Squadron?-Sulaymaniyah? Report of aero Medical capability being established

This are not the days where the Iraqis out match us by 100:1 :)

Oh and P.S here enjoy the peshmerga evaporating some terrorists.

WARNING GRPAHIC PHOTOS:Counterterrorism (peshmerga) forces storm terrorists in Sulaimani, Kurdistan

 
Rumtaya said:
My Friend, if it wasnt for the No-Fly Zone there would not have been an Autonomous Kurdistan in occupied Assyria. Its the interests of the western Goverments that made support the Iraqi Kurds there. Especially the interests of Israel. Look at Libya wasnt it for the oil wealth, noone would care about the libyan revolution. They would close their eyes and leave Gadaffi to smash all the rebels.

See yourself as a market produkt that is currently more valueable then for example an Assyrian in the eyes of the western governments. However as we know a product will become of less interests whenever there is another product that satisfies your desire (plans) much better.

Beside that, have you EVER thought about why the US, Eruope and Israel have put the PKK as terror group while KDP and PUK are potrayed as the good Kurds? "Good Kurds" that have taken up arms against eachother (tribe interests)?

Before I will give you my opinion on that, Im waiting for yours. :)
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Well I could say if it was not for the west there would not have been weapons in the Iraqi army.. people need to stop using stupid arguments like that. That is different the PUK and KDP have never ever resorted to terrorism against the Iraqi army and that is a well known fact where as the PKK (according to media) has resorted to terrorism using bombs etc. Welcome to the world my friend, it's all about interest.. it's just about how you use the sweet time that you are needed and the KRG seem to be using it very well as it has not only established tied with the US but with Russia and china too. Don't forget the biggest oil company in the KRG is Chinese, sinopic is a massive Chinese company which has invested $7 billion so far.
 
ideas said:
Well I could say if it was not for the west there would not have been weapons in the Iraqi army.. people need to stop using stupid arguments like that. That is different the PUK and KDP have never ever resorted to terrorism against the Iraqi army and that is a well known fact where as the PKK (according to media) has resorted to terrorism using bombs etc. Welcome to the world my friend, it's all about interest.. it's just about how you use the sweet time that you are needed and the KRG seem to be using it very well as it has not only established tied with the US but with Russia and china too. Don't forget the biggest oil company in the KRG is Chinese, sinopic is a massive Chinese company which has invested $7 billion so far.
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Interesting reply, but not what is my opinion. Its obvious why the west cares more for KDP and PUK than PKK. The KDP and PUK are tribemen orianted parties that of course are way better to use then a group like PKK who is against any tribe affiliated party. PKK has almost all Kurds in Turkey behind it, i.e. its a Party for the People. Whereas the KDP and PUK does in first line go alongside the interests of the tribe or family clan.

Therefore for US or Israel it is much easier and better to invest into few individuals that have some military power then into a group which represents almost the entire Kurdish people in Turkey. Few individuals are easier to control then a whole nation.

Alongside that Turkey is a NATO member, if for example Iraq was a Nato member, noone would have carred about Kurdish uprisings, they would just have claimed them as separatists and terrorists.

The reason why I am saying that is, because you potray 25 000 Peshmerga as mass rambos who couldnt have been fought by the IRaqi Army. They would have been smashed into peaces, but due to diffrent political interets it came pretty different. Btw. remember Saddam Hussein was also a close friend to the US (why would the us use a sunni arab...whos from a minority group..why not shia?...)

What would your thoughts be if Assyrians do an uprising against the KRG (just answer to the question)?
 
Rumtaya said:
Interesting reply, but not what is my opinion. Its obvious why the west cares more for KDP and PUK than PKK. The KDP and PUK are tribemen orianted parties that of course are way better to use then a group like PKK who is against any tribe affiliated party. PKK has almost all Kurds in Turkey behind it, i.e. its a Party for the People. Whereas the KDP and PUK does in first line go alongside the interests of the tribe or family clan.

Therefore for US or Israel it is much easier and better to invest into few individuals that have some military power then into a group which represents almost the entire Kurdish people in Turkey. Few individuals are easier to control then a whole nation.

Alongside that Turkey is a NATO member, if for example Iraq was a Nato member, noone would have carred about Kurdish uprisings, they would just have claimed them as separatists and terrorists.

The reason why I am saying that is, because you potray 25 000 Peshmerga as mass rambos who couldnt have been fought by the IRaqi Army. They would have been smashed into peaces, but due to diffrent political interets it came pretty different. Btw. remember Saddam Hussein was also a close friend to the US (why would the us use a sunni arab...whos from a minority group..why not shia?...)

What would your thoughts be if Assyrians do an uprising against the KRG (just answer to the question)?
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Ridiculous everyone knows that nations just use nations and the Turks were the ones that were used by the west in the cold war. The difference between the Turks and saddam is that the Turks plaid their game well and Saddam didn't. Likewise the KRG was used by the west against saddam, but they are also paying their game well so far and has established links all over the world which means they are no longer dependent on the US. Besides have you been reading the news? on Western news the PKK is almost always refereed to as 'rebels'

Turkey's PM Erdogan vows to 'annihilate' PKK rebels (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10359237)

PKK rebels say scrap ceasefire on Turkish forces (http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/03/us-iraq-turkey-pkk-idUSTRE6523BG20100603)

It is not possible for assyrians to rebel becuase they do not form a majority anywhere (we held a majority in several areas with helped) and so you will be crushed locally... besides your rights are respected so no reason to rebel. Don't get me wrong, if you assyrians want a home land I'm all for it.. but akre and sheikhan are out of the question, you can try your best with other areas.

 
ideas said:
Ridiculous everyone knows that nations just use nations and the Turks were the ones that were used by the west in the cold war. The difference between the Turks and saddam is that the Turks plaid their game well and Saddam didn't. Likewise the KRG was used by the west against saddam, but they are also paying their game well so far and has established links all over the world which means they are no longer dependent on the US. Besides have you been reading the news? on Western news the PKK is almost always refereed to as 'rebels'

Turkey's PM Erdogan vows to 'annihilate' PKK rebels (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10359237)

PKK rebels say scrap ceasefire on Turkish forces (http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/03/us-iraq-turkey-pkk-idUSTRE6523BG20100603)

It is not possible for assyrians to rebel becuase they do not form a majority anywhere (we held a majority in several areas with helped) and so you will be crushed locally... besides your rights are respected so no reason to rebel. Don't get me wrong, if you assyrians want a home land I'm all for it.. but akre and sheikhan are out of the question, you can try your best with other areas.
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I know what PKK is portrayed as in the media. It has nothing to do with playing the right cards. It has just something to do with economic valuable. No worries about akre, sheikhan and all of occupied Assyria. We are looking for a place in the moon as that seems not claimed by Kurds yet.

 
Rumtaya said:
I know what PKK is portrayed as in the media. It has nothing to do with playing the right cards. It has just something to do with economic valuable. No worries about akre, sheikhan and all of occupied Assyria. We are looking for a place in the moon as that seems not claimed by Kurds yet.
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There are other areas in the plains that you can claim as your own.. good luck with that, you guys always praise big bro Arabs but they won't even take a second look at you :)
 
ideas said:
There are other areas in the plains that you can claim as your own.. good luck with that, you guys always praise big bro Arabs but they won't even take a second look at you :)
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Noone praises Arabs. Im the last one to do so. Nah i guess we are fine off with the moon
 
ideas said:
There are other areas in the plains that you can claim as your own.. good luck with that, you guys always praise big bro Arabs but they won't even take a second look at you :)
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Don't worry about us. Worry what is about to come to you.
 
Ethnic clashes broke out between Kurdish and Turkomen students outside a college in Kirkuk, where competition for power in the oil-rich northern city has simmered for years. Eleven students were injured in the scuffles, which included rock-throwing, said police Brig. Gen. Adel Zein-Alabdin

So no, Kurds and Turks in Iraq are not about to become best friends anytime soon...


ASHOOR


 
Ashoor,

So a fight broke out between teenagers? come on.. lol.

Back to reality.

Kurd-Turkmen talks top Turk PM Iraq agenda

BAGHDAD: Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is to visit Iraq and attempt to broker talks between ethnic Turkmen and Kurds over their rival claims to the oil-rich city of Kirkuk, a Turkmen politician said yesterday.
Turkey is pressuring us to narrow our differences with the Kurds" over Kirkuk, said Saadeddin Arkij, head of Iraq's Turkmen Front, the largest political party representing the country's Turkmen minority.

Erdogan arrives today for a two-day visit to Iraq, during which he will also visit the Kurdish regional capital of Arbil, becoming the first Turkish prime minister to do so. "One of the aims of the visit is to try and narrow the gap between Turkmen and Kurds, but it is not yet certain what measures he will take," Arkij said, adding that Turkmen politicians and MPs had been invited to visit the Turkish embassy in Baghdad during Erdogan's trip.

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There also other Turkmen in Kirkuk that vote for Kurdish lists, becuase 6 seats in the brother hood list in Kirkuk is from Turkmen, arab and christian voted (this is the Kirkuk council) and other political moves by Kurds will bring Turkmen closer and even if it does not work on their party, public opinion is what matters and that could be changed.
 
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