Historian: Assyrian Genocide Claims Bogus

[Enki]

What a way to come back eh? lol Start things off right on this forums....here is an article with Turkey once again claiming the genocides were false but this time they have "proof".

Those that know me know what I think about this but I want to know your opinions. Pheuriel this might be of some benifit to the Seyfo Centre.

http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-20401.html

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Historian: Assyrian genocide claims bogus

The New Anatolian / Ankara
27 December 2006

Turkey is now being haunted by claims of an Assyrian genocide in 1915 during the country's relocations.

Bulent Ozdemir, head of the Turkish Historical Society's (TTK) Assyrian Studies Section, responded yesterday to a draft report by Dutch Christian Democrat parliamentarian Camiel Eurlings, in which she asserted that Turkey should accept Pontic Greek and Assyrian genocide claims, in addition to those by Armenians.

Speaking to the Anatolia news agency, Ozdemir said that claims regarding an Assyrian genocide during World War I are groundless and branded them "bogus" along with the Armenian claims.

Ozdemir said that they had prepared a book on the issue and during its preparation process they mostly used foreign archive documents rather than the Ottoman archives to make it more reliable and exact. "After four months of research at the British National Archives from November 2004, we made a detailed study at the U.S. National Archives in May last year," he said. "The results of our meticulous research show that neither the Ottoman Empire nor today's Turkish Republic can be accused of genocide during World War I. Foreign archive documents strengthen the arguments of Turkey on this issue. Compared to the Armenian genocide claims these untrue statements about Assyrians can not trouble Turkey."

Pointing out that Assyrians declared war on the Ottoman Empire at the beginning of the conflict and fought against the Ottomans along with Russian and the British soldiers, Ozdemir said that these statements were expressed in a petition presented by Assyrians at the Paris Peace Conference.

"They chose a side in the war and combat occurred under the rules of war. At this point the title of Wigram's book clearly expresses the situation: 'Our Smallest Ally'," Ozdemir said. "At the end of the Ottoman reign, Assyrians were considered a 'Trojan horse' by Russia, France and the Britain. It's obvious that they were used by some nations."

Ozdemir underlined assertions by some historians that the real culprit for the pain and suffering the Assyrians faced during World War I were the policies of Russia and the Allies in the region, and their not fulfilling promises given to Assyrians.

"Today accusations regarding an Assyrian genocide are addressed just for the sake of politic interests and these accusations twist the truth," Ozdemir said. "Migrating to the U.S., Australia and Western European countries after the war for various reasons, Assyrians are organized and they have formed a diaspora. They use genocide claims as a means of identity."

Attending a conference on the so-called Assyrian genocide held at Erciyes University's History and Culture Club, Ozdemir answered questions from students.

The assertion that Turkey should accept the so called Pontic Greek Genocide in addition to the so-called Armenian genocide was in Eurlings' draft Turkey Report, which was presented to the European Parliament Committee on Foreign Affairs

 

[chaldean]

their is no such thing as a genuine historian Turk. They are baised people with the most nationalist views in this world.

 

[dlty01]

What a way to come back eh? lol Start things off right on this forums....here is an article with Turkey once again claiming the genocides were false but this time they have "proof".

Those that know me know what I think about this but I want to know your opinions. Pheuriel this might be of some benifit to the Seyfo Centre.

http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-20401.html

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Historian: Assyrian genocide claims bogus

The New Anatolian / Ankara
27 December 2006

Turkey is now being haunted by claims of an Assyrian genocide in 1915 during the country's relocations.

Bulent Ozdemir, head of the Turkish Historical Society's (TTK) Assyrian Studies Section, responded yesterday to a draft report by Dutch Christian Democrat parliamentarian Camiel Eurlings, in which she asserted that Turkey should accept Pontic Greek and Assyrian genocide claims, in addition to those by Armenians.

Speaking to the Anatolia news agency, Ozdemir said that claims regarding an Assyrian genocide during World War I are groundless and branded them "bogus" along with the Armenian claims.

Ozdemir said that they had prepared a book on the issue and during its preparation process they mostly used foreign archive documents rather than the Ottoman archives to make it more reliable and exact. "After four months of research at the British National Archives from November 2004, we made a detailed study at the U.S. National Archives in May last year," he said. "The results of our meticulous research show that neither the Ottoman Empire nor today's Turkish Republic can be accused of genocide during World War I. Foreign archive documents strengthen the arguments of Turkey on this issue. Compared to the Armenian genocide claims these untrue statements about Assyrians can not trouble Turkey."

Pointing out that Assyrians declared war on the Ottoman Empire at the beginning of the conflict and fought against the Ottomans along with Russian and the British soldiers, Ozdemir said that these statements were expressed in a petition presented by Assyrians at the Paris Peace Conference.

"They chose a side in the war and combat occurred under the rules of war. At this point the title of Wigram's book clearly expresses the situation: 'Our Smallest Ally'," Ozdemir said. "At the end of the Ottoman reign, Assyrians were considered a 'Trojan horse' by Russia, France and the Britain. It's obvious that they were used by some nations."

Ozdemir underlined assertions by some historians that the real culprit for the pain and suffering the Assyrians faced during World War I were the policies of Russia and the Allies in the region, and their not fulfilling promises given to Assyrians.

"Today accusations regarding an Assyrian genocide are addressed just for the sake of politic interests and these accusations twist the truth," Ozdemir said. "Migrating to the U.S., Australia and Western European countries after the war for various reasons, Assyrians are organized and they have formed a diaspora. They use genocide claims as a means of identity."

Attending a conference on the so-called Assyrian genocide held at Erciyes University's History and Culture Club, Ozdemir answered questions from students.

The assertion that Turkey should accept the so called Pontic Greek Genocide in addition to the so-called Armenian genocide was in Eurlings' draft Turkey Report, which was presented to the European Parliament Committee on Foreign Affairs

Only other Turks believe Turkish historians about the Genocides.

 

[ASHOOR]

their is no such thing as a genuine historian Turk. They are baised people with the most nationalist views in this world.

GOOD ONE BALA LOL

I actually read about this, but didn't find it worthy enough of being posted here, because it is ridiculous.

ASHOOR

 

[Robert Khnanisho]

ASH ON HIS HEAD
QATMA B'RESHOO

 

[shamirum]

LOL Rob, bala we must be related khon!  :mrgreen:  i was going to post the exact same 2 words wen i read the article, but i was scared of being banned..

anyhow:

make that: "qatma breesheh x2"!!!  :yourock:

LOL, unless this pathetic excuse for a historian decides to join this forum and become a member, you two have nothing to worry about!

Make it qatma breeshoo x3!

:angelnot:

But don't forget I'm a moderator, and I would just like to note that general comments about Turks, or even Turkish historians, are not advisable. Each individual is unique in his/her own education and views, but the entire lot shouldn't be branded because of a few.

Thanks.

 

[Robert Khnanisho]

LOL, unless this pathetic excuse for a historian decides to join this forum and become a member, you two have nothing to worry about!

Make it qatma breeshoo x3!

:angelnot:

But don't forget I'm a moderator, and I would just like to note that general comments about Turks, or even Turkish historians, are not advisable. Each individual is unique in his/her own education and views, but the entire lot shouldn't be branded because of a few.

Thanks.

Shami,
I said B'RESHOO(Just for this guy) it was Younan who pluralised it and said B'REESHEH 

LOL, Love you Younan.

 

[Enki]

GOOD ONE BALA LOL

I actually read about this, but didn't find it worthy enough of being posted here, because it is ridiculous.

ASHOOR

Hey Ashoor,

As much as I agree with the fact that its not a worthy argument, non the less, this argument is being used and should be looked at.  We should not allow anyone to disrespect our culture let alone claim that our forfathers deaths never happened.  He is someone with an influential position.  He is able to influence those that listen to him.  Because of this, we need to somehow put an end to it.  Which why I'm fully supportive of the new Seyfo Centre that is being planned.  Establishments that reflect back on our history, both pleasant and not-so pleasant, help us to better identify ourselfs, but more importantly, help others recognize and understand who we are and what our plight is.

So although I have already dismissed this article as being another typical Turkish denial of facts, we still can not allow individuals like this to continue their denial of the events that took place in those horrible years.  Justice needs to be brought to help our forfathers rest in peace.

 

[shamirum]

Shami,
I said B'RESHOO(Just for this guy) it was Younan who pluralised it and said B'REESHEH 

LOL, Love you Younan.

Haha, I don't think he pluralized it; I think his accent has gone weird again, because "b'reesheh" can mean "on HIS head" for many mileteh, including the one he admires sooo much.  :lol:

And the comment I made about general comments, it had to do with chaldean's comments, not yours, so la takhmin! :wink:

 

[Free_Assyria]

for the well being of my monitor im not going to read it.


Thanking you
Driv3r.

 

[shamirum]

This so-called historian is not stating that the deaths never occurred. He is claiming that the Assyrians declared war on the Ottoman Empire and fought with the Allies (British and Russian etc.) Within this context he is stating that because 'the nation' collectively declared war, the deaths were not a result of genocide or ethnic cleansing on the part of the Ottomans but rather deaths which happen to occur in every war. Hence he is claiming that the 750,000 dead Assyrians were simply casualties of war. It is a very sly and disgusting attempt to use such points to justify a genocide which so clearly occurred.

Omgosh CA, get ready, get ready for this, FILL WITH GLEE, go ahead, do it!

Because I totally agree with you on this, like all the way.

Wow, I think you might actually be smiling at that, glee!!!

 

[shamirum]

And I am really laughing out loud after reading that, loooool, now we're both smiling! 

Okay, a mod spamming, not good, she'll stop.  :blush2:

This historian needs a new history lesson, yes he does. :yes:

 

[dlty01]

Yeah this is the new "route" they are going for:  The Assyrians declared war on the Ottomon authority, so the poor, helpless Turkish government had no choice but to kill all the women and children in all the villages, and force the rest out on foot.  Sure, that's reasonable.