Good God Almighty..

Knight said:
Evidence is not a scientific experiment, it does not need testing. When Newton saw an apple (evidence) fall from a tree, he did not say i gotta test the apple to see if it is real. He looked at what caused the apple to fall. The cause is gravity, the effect is downward acceleration, the evidence is apple on the ground.

In the same way, evidence, being God's wonderful creation, is everywhere you look. The cause is God, the process is creation, the evidence is us.
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So what do you say to someone who claims that the world around us is a product of chance?  What do you say to those that claim that a non-christian god is responsible for the world?  What do you say to those that look at the world and conclude something totally different from you?  You and they cannot both be right, so how do you arrive at anything remotely resembling truth? 

Just b/c it's true to you, does not mean it's true to reality.  There is a big difference between the evidence for gravity and the 'evidence' for god.  One can be tested and repeatedly succeed, the other cannot. 

I look around at the world and see no evidence of a loving creator.  You think the complete opposite.  How can we both be right when our conclusions are directly opposed to one another?
 
ultoMa said:
So what do you say to someone who claims that the world around us is a product of chance?  What do you say to those that claim that a non-christian god is responsible for the world?  What do you say to those that look at the world and conclude something totally different from you?  You and they cannot both be right, so how do you arrive at anything remotely resembling truth?  

Just b/c it's true to you, does not mean it's true to reality.  There is a big difference between the evidence for gravity and the 'evidence' for god.  One can be tested and repeatedly succeed, the other cannot.  

I look around at the world and see no evidence of a loving creator.  You think the complete opposite.  How can we both be right when our conclusions are directly opposed to one another?
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lol i read all about show me evidence show me evidence then read this.. you show us evidence this world is by chance.. the theory of evolution obviously could not be tooken into account... for someone to believe we were some organism in the sea then grew legs walked out the ocean to hang on trees showsWutDaFuq fantasy world they're livin in.. i said it a million times, research any storey in the old testament and you got your "evidence"   all you guys have is there is no God cuz pain and suffering, and mass destruction happens, yep saids in the old testament, nations upon nations were wiped off the face of this planet as israel came up and many more will be wiped away...
 
ramsiN said:
lol i read all about show me evidence show me evidence then read this.. you show us evidence this world is by chance.. the theory of evolution obviously could not be tooken into account...
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Well if you really care to know how it was created by nothing, this video will help

'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009


for someone to believe we were some organism in the sea then grew legs walked out the ocean to hang on trees showsWutDaFuq fantasy world they're livin in..
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The problem here is that you dont actually understand how evolution works. Again, if you actually want to better understand evolution, here's a video to help

'Why Evolution Is True' by Jerry Coyne, AAI 2009

i said it a million times, research any storey in the old testament and you got your "evidence"
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According to you, not according to actual and/or suffient evidence. If you dont think so, then perhaps you should consider this. Ramsin, research the quran and you'll get your evidence of allah. That's exactly how you sound. I know you dont think so, but look at it objectively. You are telling people to look at a book of belief to prove supernatural facts. What difference is it if someone else provided some other book of belief and said the same thing? The old testament does not hold suffient evidence. If it did, the whole world would have accepted it as fact. But they havent because it requires belief to think its true, not because its actually true. There's a big difference there. You thinking it is true does not make it true. Proving it with sufficient evidence to be true makes it true.


all you guys have is there is no God cuz pain and suffering, and mass destruction happens, yep saids in the old testament, nations upon nations were wiped off the face of this planet as israel came up and many more will be wiped away...
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No, when god is pointed out as causing suffering and pain, that is to point out that the "loving god" is a big contradiction. It is to point out that belief does not make sense. You have to understand, when someone says there is no god, theyre actually trying to say that there is no sufficient evidence to conclude there is a god. If they say there cant be a god, that is incorrect. As long as we're going with possibilities, god could exist but he could also not be a creator. What we know as a human race up to this date that there is no evidence of a god, or better yet, jesus being that god out of the hundreds (or thousands?) of gods ever imagined.

Let me put it this way. Do you ever think about if there is an existence of unicorns or fairies? The average person usually does not. What is the reason? Well usually its because there is no reason to think there is one. There is no evidence to conclude that they exist. The same rules apply to god. Just as unicorns and fairies are beliefs, so is god. If you choose to think god created the universe, why stop there? Why not include other possibilities since youre after beliefs and not facts anyways? There is no reason to think there is a god. Yes I understand that you think there is no other possible way that the universe was created, but the mistake being made here is you have not looked into what science is saying about that.

Its up to you and any person out there, do you want to live your life based on facts or beliefs? Ultimately, I think that's what it comes down to. That and fear of what can happen after you die.
 
Theistic evolution and evolutionary creationism are similar concepts that assert that classical religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientific understanding about biological evolution.

 
iraqicamel said:
Theistic evolution and evolutionary creationism are similar concepts that assert that classical religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientific understanding about biological evolution.
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In other words, picking and choosing whatever fits that person's beliefs instead of everything that is evolution.
 
Tears of Assyria said:
some people cant get enough of stupidity!!!!!   :baby: :baby:

when everything is Ok God has nothing to do with it,, when there is suffering , who else to blame beside God
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Well said my friend.
The problem with none believers of God is just that they don't know what He is, they don't know His nature otherwise they would understand why He is working the way He is?
The suffering of the world didn't start untill Satin was cast out and down to the earth, and when he tempted Eve that is when the pain and suffering intered the world and there was more suffering and blood shed to follow which Adam and Eve obviously didn't realize that would happen as a result to their actions.But this problem didn't start here on earth it started up in heaven Satin must have like any decieving manipulative so called "good" lawyer must have presented a really good case to the rest of the angels in order to convince the third to follow him if they new he was wrong and a liar I am sure they wouldn't have followed him over The Creator just like he did with Adam and Eve.
knowing God as being Patience, Love and mercy in order for God to prove His righteousness to the angel's decieved and I can imagine the followers as well being in some kind of doubt of God, He would need to show them the result of Satin's Evil actions in order for them to understand why He is going to throw Satin in the lake of fire when He does. He could have very easily struck Satin down right then and there and all our pain would be spared, but what about the decieved angels? and how to get rid of the doubt? If you look at our law and system it is very much the same though we are humans and have no patience unlike God He takes His time, and if you say why God let Satin sin? well He didn't He was born free like we are free to choose and we choose good and evil and he chose evil and for all the suffering due to his evil actions his punishment will be the lake of fire.
To understand God people need to have an open mind and to be able to understand the nature of God, its not just a matter of throwing words around it is a much deeper thing than that.
 
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