Good God Almighty..
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ultoMa said:
are you serious bro... i coudnt help but dying of laughter and had to cut it off at 2:45 into the video. that dude is retarded. there is no benevolant God because pain and suffering exsists huh? further proves my statement of atheist really dunno shiet about shiet when it comes to religion, they listen to idiots like this... the path of a christian isnt full of "benevolance" and if any of you think it should then your retarded. read the book that you guys hate so much. ive stated it b4 ill state it again, even Gods own ppl that he talked to lived lives of suffering. as a christian what happens here on earth is irrelevant, to a TRUE christian 10billion dollars 20 lamborghinis and 4 islands doesnt mean ****, our reward is when were dead in heaven, life is just our test to see how idiotic we are and by some of the posts ive seen here and especially that video i see we do have alot of idiocy amongst us, me included even. you dont get miracles over night cuz you prayed to God, you give yourself to him and live life the way he wants, because of our free will the devil messes with us and thats where our pain and suffering comes from, dunno how other religions look at it.
Now as far as natural disasters go, retarded born or deformed kids go, plagues and diseases go and every possible kind of life threatning event that can take place that that dumb as shiet professor or wutever he is was talking about goes... you better believe its real. its clearly stated if any of you atheist ever take the time to do actual research, and not youtube crap you will read the whole bible talks about doom and destruction like that, which it will take place.. its called armageddon, christs 2nd return, end of the world as we know it excetera. so prepare for it, dont blame God that were the dumb****s who dont want to believe in him and his son. why would he have pitty for us. anywho as its stated after the first flood of the world God made happen, whe nhe recreated life he said he would never do that again, if our doom came upon us it would be brought on by ourself. we can thank nukes for that. this world is so twisted it needs to burn. ppl who are blind look at this as some kind of bad thing, believers cant wait for that day when were done wiith this worlds ignorance..
if you want to hate God because he has the power to destroy you, and sure enough will destroy you so you better bet on it, then thats fine. but dont sit here and rant to us why is God so "benevolent" if he causes this crap happen, he's been causing it since day 1 when adam and eve were thrown out from teh garden. if any of you had done any real research on something your so passionate about then i wouldnt have to explain to you how stupid it is to think of hating nor not believing in a God because pain and suffering exsists, it strictly saids in the bible lots of shiet will happen to you lots of real bad shiet that you couldnt even imagine and we might not even get to see, all that matters is the loyalness.
to sum this up... i speak to no1 specifically but to all, do your research b4 you make yourself look like a dumbazz. and videos like this in no way help your guys's cause in atheism whatsoever cuz videos like this make ppl like me laugh at you.
ultoma i dont want you in anyway to think im speaking to you in any personal way here, this is not a shot at you, i respect you man but that video was hilarious, but im speaking to all who choose to believe the words of the idiot who conducted that briefing or whatever it was in that video.
BLUEICE said:
And in your world, Optimus Prime is fighting Megatron to save the world.
Wait wait, even better, this is me doing an impression of how you look at the world (with a cameo by your subconscious):
*ahem*
"Oh my gah, look at all this amazing stuff! Wow, how does this plastic thing boil water? How do I see out of these eyes of mine? How do clouds form and why don't I want to kill that person??!??!?!? Oh oh, it has to be, yeah it has to be a GOD! It is definitely a god! I mean, forget the progression science has given us in determining what is going on in our world and in the greater universe as a whole; the answer is a monosyllabic three letter word that explains EVERYTHING. Wow, I don't need to think about it anymore! Quick, toss me a virgin so I can screw her and make 10 kids that believe the same crock of shit I believe! You know, the whole super wizard guy with zombie son that made the universe even though I have nothing else to back this amazingly important believe besides an accident of birth, a book and my mum's chikalta!! Damn.. definitely a god."
So yeah, if I'm a magician, you're a regular archmage. If I'm pulling rabbits out of hats (at least they fit in there), you are pulling mountains out of button holes. You're right about one thing though, I'm insulting gay clubs so I'll leave them out of it. I'm just going to call you Gandalf from now on.
ramsiN said:
All I got from that was .. shit happens .. Lamborghinis .. can't wait for death. Nice.
MJaY said:
By the way... I'm a realist. I know I'm not going to find a virgin in this day and age. I'm just looking for low mileage. 10 kids? nah.. maybe 3?
Ok since most of you scientists absolutely love theories, here's one for ya:
God did not want to create perfection. He did not want to control our every day behaviors. We've been given free will. Why? Because you have to earn your ticket to the next life. If there was no suffering, and death, and pain...people like you would not doubt the existence of god. Pain, suffering, temptation, and all of these things which you question, exist to challenge those who may not have had the faith to begin with, such as yourself.
Let's just say that I, and every other Christian on this planet are wrong and there is no god and religion is useless.... answer me this question: How do you feel about the fact that when you die......nothing happens.
I might be the first person to tell you this but, you're are living an empty life.
BLUEICE said:
When i'm dead, there will be nothingness. Death is NOT an experience...you do not sit in an empty room and 'feel' death. Given that, I'm perfectly content dying off into oblivion without an afterlife. I like the idea of immortality, but there is no evidence to show that that is rooted in reality.
Switching it on you now: It is troubling, that you derive meaning in this life b/c of your belief in an afterlife. If there was proof that there was no afterlife, would that make your life here any less significant? Would you love your loved ones less? Would you treat others horribly? Or, would you make the most of your time, since it will eventually run out?
and as for your post ramsin, the bible promotes an all-powerful and all-benevolent god. The fact that the things pointed out in the video do exists should trouble the idea of an all-powerful and all-benevolant god. You cannot be all-powerful and all-loving and create such hostile environments that are OUTSIDE human will. All of us in this forum can dream up a much better and less hostile world to live in, except, we do not have the power to make it happen. God does, and yet he chooses not to. This is what the video is pointing out.
Yes MJay im sure someone like you would only get that much out of what i said, but like you said it.. its pretty much the jist of it, shit happens, lamborghinis, and death is good... thats exactly it, quit blaming God, blame it on your fear that God runs your life wether you like it or not, and when you suffer take it like a man, dont be so quick to blame the greater being that you fight so valiantly to dissprove his exsistance
BLUEICE said:
You're a realist? Do you even know what that means? No, seriously, find me someone who wouldn't call themselves that and you might dip into some philosophy and discover what realism actually means.
I'm not a scientist because I love theories - I'm a scientist because I acknowledge present day facts (if 'scientist' is what you want to call someone who 'believes' in Einstein's Relativity). Even gravity is only a theory; are you doing to deny its assumptions though? Is it because invisible god-juice is stuck to our feet all the time, therefore we're stuck to the ground forever? Anyway.
You're talking as if you and god go way back, blood brothers or something, like you went down for him and didn't rat. You are wrong regardless, because I don't not believe in a god because there is pain and suffering in the world - that is the moral argument Ultoma is explaining. My primarily reason is that a god just doesn't make any logical sense any way you look at it. We were not created. There is evidence of evolution. We evolved from more primitive lifeforms. The bible is wrong FROM PAGE 1 (as is every other creation fable). The rest follows. I'm not even partial to Christian morality - I think its lecherous and weak.
You are wrong to claim I had no faith to begin with. I don't know if you've realised but this is AssyrioChristian Voice and we were ALL brought up Christians. It took me three years to digest the bible during my teens and let me tell you my frosty blue friend; the more I learnt about religion, its morality, its logic, its purpose and its attitude, the more I disagreed with it and despised it.
As for your question; is it meant to prompt me to feel loneliness and despair? Because I'll tell you what, you motivating me with some kind of illogical fear is damaging your own argument. So I should be religious because I should be scared of death and nothingness? The only people who do that are the ones who haven't lived. Immortality renders your actions in life meaningless because everything is lost in infinity - nothing we understand can be salvaged. Death actually provides the framework of meaning for life; for what is good, bad, right, wrong, tasty, interesting.. sexy. It is precisely because our lives are finite, what we do matters. We cannot even understand immortality and infinity anyway - seriously, think about it and try and comprehend it.
There is nothing after this life. Souls are invisible spirits created by us to prolong our consciousness as it naturally fears being extinguished - that is the natural impulse from ALL animals. We just have the intelligence to create whole religions to give us the delusional hope that we carry on living.. somehow.
And I'm living a very full life indeed. I have a beautiful and intelligent girlfriend, massive ambitions, creative hunger, a roof over my head.. and a brilliant dog. I can't complain about my lot, but do you know who I thank for it? My parents, my friends and my teachers - the people who actually affect my life - not some sky daddy.
ultoMa said:
bro im teling you.. dont read the whole bible, just read exodus.... he destroys his own ppl in horrible ways. he is all loving just as much as he is vengefull. he clearly states he made natural disasters happen to wipe races off the face of the planet man.. i dont know what more your trying to get at. yah God is a all loving God but he's not gonna come and hug you or pat you on the back because you prayed or did something right wether its for you or someone else. he created natural disasters and are his way of dealing with pestilance, states it in the book bro, and as far as retarded kids and deformed kids go, ppl really need to stop having incest or doing drugs while pregnant because thats not God who made those, once again the old testament shows he rejected any human or animal of any deformity so it hwouldnt cause something to grow deformed with no logical reason for it. life isnot suppose to last forever man, in our book it states that life is only temporary, after armageddon there is suppose tot be 1000 years of peace on earth, and its arguable what happens from there, but most biblical scholar argue that life restarts all over again. so if thats the case whose to say this isnt the 8th time around that life has been exsistant on earth... these are questions no man can answer fo ryou, but more so for you to ask when ur dead and you get your judgement day and time with christ and the lord or whoever our creator might be to you.
while i was thinking about it man.. literally 13 years ago i was in the same shoes as you ult and you MJay.. i use to say the same things you guys did, i hated the thought of believing in a all loving God myself when i saw all the disasters that kept happening. but i was honestly blind. disasters are nothing new and what we see now is crap compared to whats been documented in our bibles/torahs/qua'rans. it wasnt untill i read the old testament that i realized yah he's all loving, but if you piss him off GL to you your family your kids and your kids kids kids. the bible shows Yahweh as a jealous God who wipes nations away at will, he like humans has to sit and think about crap, and on countless occaisons has been talked out of mass destruction of the world.
MJaY said:
...It's so good that you choose to come and debate with "simpletons" like us on a daily basis. Btw, you have a girlfriend, ambitions, creative, hunger, and roof over your head? Really? Well let me get you a cookie then.
By the way, you're out in England aren't you? Atheism is in style out there isn't it? Were you trying to impress someone in your neighborhood?
MJaY said:
http://atheism.about.com/b/2004/02/27/britain-most-secular-most-atheist-nation.htm
You're describing 19th century Britian. I'm sure that the cathedrals wont be burned and tore down in the coming months since almost everyone believes that they represent Britians old heritage. As for "God Save the Queen", I don't see them changing it to "Nothing save the Queen" any time soon either. The Queen is quite old and will stick with the traditions of old England.
It's a fact that England is one of the top 10 "non-believer" countries in the world. Surprisingly, Sweden was up there as well.
You guys don't give a shit... and that's why the "English" have become minority in their own country. In 50 years, England will look like Sudan.
i just still want a answer to why the calander is based off Jesus still.. i got some bs answer about other cultures having there own calenders, but know of none, maybe some of them indians living in jungles or forests, that use any other calender besides the universal one that states guess what, its 2010 years after christs death.. i need a more elaborate answer then other cultures have there own calenders, i know they do, how come none of them use them? including chaldeans with there own calender. as far as i know the whole world believes its 2010ad... not anything else.
jacob
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ramsiN said:
You have a really thick skull don't you?
There are other calendars out there like I already pointed out to you and gave you a list. How can you say you know of none when I gave you the list? Sure non-Christians use 2010 because they need to all be on the same page, mainly due to global commerce, banking, and finance. In Israel they use the universal global date of 2010 due to a growing secular population, but the country still officially keeps the Hebrew calendar for their religious purposes, agricultural schedules, government holidays, and for the weekly Sabbath of their daily lives. So yes they do use a different calendar and last time I checked they weren't Indians living in jungles, as patronizing and elitist a comment as that was.
A date on paper is not proof of anything. All it shows is a strength and ability to force something on everyone. If I somehow conquered the world tomorrow and changed all the calendars to year one, would that make me even more special than your Jesus? In two thousand years could I become God if enough people spread the word for me? Just because you have the power to force yourself onto others doesn't mean anything.
yes my skull is thick, and your post is bullshiet. its 2010ad anywhere you go, i never disagreed with the fact there isnt god knows how many calenders out there, my point is as of now, 2010ad, everyone in the world see's it 2010ad. untill you prove me wrong and find some indian from the jungle, as patronizing as it sounds to you, to say otherwise then i stick to my point.. thick skull remember.
jacob
Active member
ramsiN said:
What's your point? I already told you that it doesn't mean anything that it's 2010. You have no purpose to this debate other than to keep saying the same thing. Why does it matter that it's 2010, can you explain that? Is it significant that up until the early part of the 20th century parts of the world still used the Julian calendar? How do you reconcile that in your stubborn brain?
You shouldn't be proud of having a dense head. It's a sign of stupidity and a closed mind.
BLUEICE said:
Lol, so "white" (including Irish white), at 88.6% of the English population* is a minority? Is this what they tell you lot in 'Murika?! You believe in more than one myth it seems.
Anyway, I'm happy that this country is moving away from our religious institutions/attitudes. Like I said, there isn't going to be some seismic event where religion ceases to be a thing. It will die a slow death.. the stories will surely live on, but their significance as real world events and their explanations about 'creation' will become bedtime stories. People will look back at these kind of beliefs much like we look back at pagans and fire worshippers - hence my language.
* Ref: http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadTableView.do;jsessionid=ac1f930d30d735a241920a524e89a000f2fc00f6db9c?a=7&b=276743&c=london&d=13&e=13&g=325264&i=1001x1003x1004&m=0&r=1&s=1264373101575&enc=1&dsFamilyId=1812&nsjs=true&nsck=true&nssvg=false&nswid=1024
MJaY said:
Next time you present statistics.. can you atleast give me an accurate graph. This is 3 years old and it only covers the city of London. Of course London will have the highest population of whites. It costs $27 to eat a burger there.
Go back and find me one from 2009-2010 for Britian as a whole.
David
New member
BLUEICE said:
The next census will take place in 2011, so until the data is recorded and analyzed you get to use 2001 for your query:
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2756041.stm
Here's what I found from the 2001 census for England and Wales:
Population: 52,041,916
- White: 47,520,866 (British, Irish, Other White)
- Mixed: 661,034 (White and Black Caribbean, White and Black African, White and Asian, Other Mixed)
- Asian or Asian British: 2,273,737 (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Other Asian)
- Black or Black British: 1,139,577 (Black Caribbean, Back African, Other Black)
- Chinese or other ethnic group: 446,702 (Chinese, Other)
Source: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/census2001/National_report_EW_Part1_Section2.pdf
jacob said:
are you retarded not to understand why it matters its 2010ad? do you get the concept of AD/BC? time is based off him i dont come here to ask the same crap over, i never got a proper answer for my question and you failed just as miserably as anyone else has at answering the question of why then does the world go off of times based on Before Christs birth and Anno Domini, which stands for IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD.
Wikipedia:
AD commonly refers to Anno Domini, Latin for "In the Year of (Our) Lord", applied to years following 1 BC in the Julian and Gregorian calendars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AD_(disambiguation)
i dont mean it as a question. i meant it from a earlier post i stated that if christ was so fake, if he wasn't Gods son, cuz there is no God. then why does the whole world base the time period, our current time period which is 2010 ad at the moment, with christs life.
im stating a point not asking a question, i asked my question earlier and got no usefull or intelligent answer.. just more bs and what ifs and why does it matters. i love the fact that some are so passionate about they're hate for belief in a higher power because destruction happens, if your so passionate about it read the thing you despise so much, not listen to retarded rants like that idiot speech giver in the video posted earlier. if you actually do some research all you atheists will find answers as to why there is so much destruction in the world and why its allowed, and will continue to happen in the future and get much worst then what you see now.
im stating a point not asking a question, i asked my question earlier and got no usefull or intelligent answer.. just more bs and what ifs and why does it matters. i love the fact that some are so passionate about they're hate for belief in a higher power because destruction happens, if your so passionate about it read the thing you despise so much, not listen to retarded rants like that idiot speech giver in the video posted earlier. if you actually do some research all you atheists will find answers as to why there is so much destruction in the world and why its allowed, and will continue to happen in the future and get much worst then what you see now.
BLUEICE said:
Lol, so you think London is the most white place in the UK because of the high cost of living? Hilarious. If you had been here before, you'd know its massively multicultural and probably has the most non-whites in the country. Actually, scratch that, most definitely the most non-whites.
Thank you, David.
Ramsin, it seems your "whole world view" is corporate America and all the pies they have their finger in. You also forget that people need to operate with one calender so they know when things happen for the sake of efficiency. As it so happens, America, basically a Christian country, and before them the U.K. have dictated the direction the world should go in by being the last two great empires - both occupying the first two places in time in an age of (media crazy) globalism.
Just like we're taught what British and American historians consider to be the 'proper' histories of various civilisations and states, it is still all hinges on the dominance of their perspective and what they know. If we were living two thousand years ago in the middle east, we would not be calling it the year 3 AD or whatever, nobody used that back then - only in hindsight. It depends on the journey to power our cultures and states have undertaken from their inception. We refer to "the calender" as a singular thing because of the position in space and time we are in given what the current powers in the world have simply made a reality (obviously in the countries we live in, but also in the countries they influence).
Since the dawning of our western culture after the collapse of the Roman Empire, through the crusades, through the bloody struggles of mainland European states as they fought for power and land amongst themselves, until now and beyond - western civilisation is essentially one of large scale imperialism, be it economic or military. You agree that war inspires technological progress and economic prosperity, yes? Hitler's Germany in WW2? OK, well, imagine most of the European states did that for hundreds of years, not 10, and you will see the 'progress' (used rather loosely) we have made as European states. We've made so much progress that now there is a growing dispassion and disinterest in religion, among other things. Western civilisation is so powerful, so media orientated, that what we say internationally generally goes. We were the first to use our calender internationally, and record events and proceedings according to it. These international events were only possible because our hunger for new land, resources, scientific discoveries, and ultimately power.
But your answer is "nawwww man, its because Jebus is real". I suggest it is you who should so some research and stop looking for an easy answer. My 5 minutes here was not even a snapshot.
blueice, just have faith that max is telling the truth. It's like christianity; no proof is required. Just trust him...he's a decent enough guy.
On a serious note, it'd be pretty badass if you demanded evidence for your god the way you're pressing max. And i'm talking about evidence in the actual sense, not the way christians perceive evidence.
On a serious note, it'd be pretty badass if you demanded evidence for your god the way you're pressing max. And i'm talking about evidence in the actual sense, not the way christians perceive evidence.