Ethnic cleansing of Assyrians continues

[Rumtaya]

Ethnic cleansing of Assyrians continues

Before the war in Iraq, Saddam Hussein was in power. Iraqi borders had been secured and there was not one terrorist in Iraq. However, people were struggling to stay alive. There were secret massacres and killings. The victims were the Assyrians -- a people descended from those who accepted Christianity in 33 A.D. They used to have an empire called Assyria in today's northern Iraq. Now the Kurdish people are taking away Assyrian soil, claiming it is their property. The Kurdish people are destroying every ownership document that belonged to the Assyrians. Not only that, but Kurds are also killing Assyrians and forcing them to flee the country. Thousands of Assyrians fled Iraq, and hundreds of thousands have been murdered.

Assyrians have faced near-extinction in the past. In 1933, the Iraqi army and Kurdish leaders massacred 3,000 Assyrians in northern Iraq. Turkish and Kurdish people committed genocide toward the Assyrian people in 1915, massacring 750,000 Assyrians -- or 75 percent of the population. Turkey and other world governments have not recognized Assyrian genocide; they deny any responsibility. Assyrians just want a secure peaceful homeland so that they can survive and worship Jesus and live at peace with people.

LENA YACOUB

Modesto

    * http://www.modbee.com/opinion/letters/story/108789.html

your thoughts?

 

[Rumtaya]

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I just thought the same....

H?????????

 

[ASHUR]

Thanks for the informations, and sympathy for those Chritians of Mesoptoamia, who were and still been murdered,
But wait a second,,did i read  this?,,

"Kurdish people are destroying every ownership document that belonged to the Assyrians".
Unfortunatly Miss Lena Yacoub and you (as Provider of this message here), are doing the SAME.

A- Assyrian converted to Christianity in the 4th Century NOT (33 A.D).
Jesus of the Gospel was born on (6 B.C), so according to miss Lena's calculations, The Assyrian converted to Christianity only 6 years after his death!!.

B- We dont have records of the killing Numbers but 750.000 deaths, is a number exceeding all spectaculations.
if the number was right, then the whole world should've heard about it, that happened in 1915, at the time the world had news papers and journalists, cameras and tv cameras, authors and writers.

So please dont blame others for destroying the Ownership Documents, Cause it seems that you are the one who's faking it

:blink:

 

[HoTcAcHik6]

Thanks for the informations, and sympathy for those Chritians of Mesoptoamia, who were and still been murdered,
But wait a second,,did i read  this?,,

"Kurdish people are destroying every ownership document that belonged to the Assyrians".
Unfortunatly Miss Lena Yacoub and you (as Provider of this message here), are doing the SAME.

A- Assyrian converted to Christianity in the 4th Century NOT (33 A.D).
Jesus of the Gospel was born on (6 B.C), so according to miss Lena's calculations, The Assyrian converted to Christianity only 6 years after his death!!.

B- We dont have records of the killing Numbers but 750.000 deaths, is a number exceeding all spectaculations.
if the number was right, then the whole world should've heard about it, that happened in 1915, at the time the world had news papers and journalists, cameras and tv cameras, authors and writers.

So please dont blame others for destroying the Ownership Documents, Cause it seems that you are the one who's faking it

HONESTLY HONEST, 

 

[Aga]

Rumayta,  since I have been member of this site you assyrians guys have always blaming kurds do that and the other, had done that and the other, not only kurds, even arabs,turks, I understand thats hurt, iam not saying that you shouldnt care, but do you believe that this will help you to get your country back! the answer is of course no, why , becasue you are not strugling! how? you are not struggling by army! if you struggle you have to have an army! maybe not army like turkish army but like rebelles, like pkk, like zowa once at the time..

I know thats not easy, but you have to! otherwise you will  see how kurds will buld their contry and you will be watching them. what do you think thats kurds get their contry back, by having army, they fought on decades, since the 1991 they have been liberated. the same things with pkk, they are strugling, maybe not today but tomorrow they will achieve their demands. think about Castro, what did castro did! he hadnt more than 20 guys, but he fought constantly.

 

[Rumtaya]

Rumayta,  since I have been member of this site you assyrians guys have always blaming kurds do that and the other, had done that and the other, not only kurds, even arabs,turks, I understand thats hurt, iam not saying that you shouldnt care, but do you believe that this will help you to get your country back! the answer is of course no, why , becasue you are not strugling! how? you are not struggling by army! if you struggle you have to have an army! maybe not army like turkish army but like rebelles, like pkk, like zowa once at the time..

I know thats not easy, but you have to! otherwise you will  see how kurds will buld their contry and you will be watching them. what do you think thats kurds get their contry back, by having army, they fought on decades, since the 1991 they have been liberated. the same things with pkk, they are strugling, maybe not today but tomorrow they will achieve their demands. think about Castro, what did castro did! he hadnt more than 20 guys, but he fought constantly.

Didnt wrote that...

and I even gaved out a question your thoughts?

I should have added that with complaing we wont reach Assyria....


I told you in another thread I am for working WITH eachother....

 

[GGBW]

Aga,

for months you have been coming on this site and telling us not to blame Kurds.  Please let me clarify something.
Kurdish people are not inherently evil, nor are they our "natural" enemies.  Kurdish authorities in Northern Iraq are overstepping their bounds in human rights abuses and land theft of our people - land which has been legally returned in many cases but not enforced.

Now, let me clarify a second point about Kurdish "success":

There are almost 3 times as many Kurds in Turkey, and they have been fighting there for independence for much, much longer than in Iraq.  They have been unsuccessful.  It is not because the Kurds "fought hard and won" north Iraq:  it is because the only ones who they had to deal with in North Iraq were Assyrians:  who did not fight back. Therefore, they preyed on the weak, and kicked them out.  Their second enemy in North Iraq was the Arabs, and particularly Ba'athists. The United States, in 1991, implemented the No Fly Zone, allowing the Kurds protection to move freely and build themselves up.

Their success is an illusion of circumstance.  They would not have even been able to marginalize the Assyrians the way they have since 2003 had they not had the help of certain Assyrians and our most revered institutions:  the churches.

 

[Rumtaya]

Aga,

for months you have been coming on this site and telling us not to blame Kurds.  Please let me clarify something.
Kurdish people are not inherently evil, nor are they our "natural" enemies.  Kurdish authorities in Northern Iraq are overstepping their bounds in human rights abuses and land theft of our people - land which has been legally returned in many cases but not enforced.

Now, let me clarify a second point about Kurdish "success":

There are almost 3 times as many Kurds in Turkey, and they have been fighting there for independence for much, much longer than in Iraq.  They have been unsuccessful.  It is not because the Kurds "fought hard and won" north Iraq:  it is because the only ones who they had to deal with in North Iraq were Assyrians:  who did not fight back. Therefore, they preyed on the weak, and kicked them out.  Their second enemy in North Iraq was the Arabs, and particularly Ba'athists. The United States, in 1991, implemented the No Fly Zone, allowing the Kurds protection to move freely and build themselves up.

Their success is an illusion of circumstance.  They would not have even been able to marginalize the Assyrians the way they have since 2003 had they not had the help of certain Assyrians and our most revered institutions:  the churches.

CHEBO Waleeta...

 

[Aga]

waleeta iam not protecting kurds, you know that, and iam not doing propaganda for them, well thats true the policy circumstance did that kurds have that they have today, but if they didnt struggle by army, the UN wouldnt give them a flee zone, they are happy by having what they have today.. but kurdish struggle inside turkey finished betwen 1940 until 1970, we know the kurd of turkey hasnt got anything yet becuase of the sitatuions and the circumatance, this is because of US and EU...today the us and turkish relationship had worse than ever, maybe tomorow changes and istead of turks there will kurds for us....

 

[Aga]

todya the us and turkish relationship is worse than ever, maybe evrythings change, instead of turks there will be kurds for US......the united states are helping Pjak, the branch of pkk, aginst Iran. think about it..

 

[GGBW]

waleeta iam not protecting kurds, you know that, and iam not doing propaganda for them, well thats true the policy circumstance did that kurds have that they have today, but if they didnt struggle by army, the UN wouldnt give them a flee zone, they are happy by having what they have today.. but kurdish struggle inside turkey finished betwen 1940 until 1970, we know the kurd of turkey hasnt got anything yet becuase of the sitatuions and the circumatance, this is because of US and EU...today the us and turkish relationship had worse than ever, maybe tomorow changes and istead of turks there will kurds for us....

I don't think you're protecting your Kurds, but no offense: your family draws a paycheck from them so you have an inherent bias and interest in their success.

And yes, the no fly zone was NOT for the "kurdish struggle", but for American interests.  The U.S. isn't trading Turkey for Kurds, or even Arabs for Kurds.  And if by freak circumstance they ever think about doing it...you better believe with every breath in my body I will be at the gates with stories of human rights abuses, pictures videos, testimony, and survivors of torture by KDP, destroying their reputation.  And I'm not the only one nipping at their heels.  Actually, I'm the least of them.

 

[GGBW]

todya the us and turkish relationship is worse than ever, maybe evrythings change, instead of turks there will be kurds for US......the united states are helping Pjak, the branch of pkk, aginst Iran. think about it..

De  roja kurda je het  bale hata behet

 

[Aga]

what forced saddam to runing after kurds in 1991,it was because of kurdish pashmaraga, more than 2 million of kurds went to the border of iraq-turkye..when the world saw kurdish people suffering they help kurds to returning home back and they got free zone...that was the reason...but inside issues was US, they wanted kurdish region becuase they knew one daye they will invade iraq again and they will need kurdish help.

 

[GGBW]

what forced saddam to runing after kurds in 1991,it was because of kurdish pashmaraga, more than 2 million of kurds went to the border of iraq-turkye..when the world saw kurdish people suffering they help kurds to returning home back and they got free zone...that was the reason...but inside issues was US, they wanted kurdish region becuase they knew one daye they will invade iraq again and they will need kurdish help.

Exactly.  Thank you.

Aynheh paltakhlun qat mazbittekh dakheena ajoozan oop qordayeh.

In let parmooyeh, Aga, machikh kha qat tarjim qatukh.  Bikhayet go Atour.  Loop leshana'd Atorayeh.

 

[jonadona]

I am sorry to disappoint Aga, there will never be a Kurdistan with Turkey around.  America will just do that, use them.  You are smart enough to realize that.  So the Kurds need to stop trying to divide Iraq.  Let them establish their region in Turkey.  See how that works out.

 

[Aga]

waleeta thats what iam talking about..evrythings is about us:s interest

 

[Aga]

Jodanna , dont worry, I won?t be disappoint, Kurdistan `s is not my issues! all iam talking about is about the situation of Iraq,turks,kurd,assyrians....

Jodanna, you have to be realistic! look how kurds are doing, have you been there, have you relatives in there then talk about the other...I dont really care about all of them, iam just getting more knowlege about the region...

 

[gewarges]

Aga ,, le shemala iraq rast beje kurd zoren bas  majyewan galak kema ,am ashure chawa  heqoqetkho bexazen gal kasake diktator wake masod barazani and jalal talabani ,, aw bekho sare yako do dexon ,weja chawa  am mafi xo gal kasake diktator bexazen ,, agar am dastexo bedanena dastet kurdanda, de navema heta barza keren ,o de bejnama hen falet kurdistanena , o qat bawar naka  am av teshta bexazen gal kurdan diktator ,garak am dastexo danena daste havdan o am le bar senge dojmenema ye xaeyn kurdi berasten o har tem am le banda we rojena da behet o bejen turkeya hata shemale o peshta kurdan beshkenet ,
amen bo we rojee,Aga, bale jber naka har rojak de het am ashure pelavaxo danena sar sare gale kurd !!!

 

[Aga]

gewarges, what are you talking about, I dont really understand...well i do speak kurdish but not much to understand what you have wrote to me...sorry,,I wish I could help you....

 

[GGBW]

Aga ,, le shemala iraq rast beje kurd zoren bas  majyewan galak kema ,am ashure chawa  heqoqetkho bexazen gal kasake diktator wake masod barazani and jalal talabani ,, aw bekho sare yako do dexon ,weja chawa  am mafi xo gal kasake diktator bexazen ,, agar am dastexo bedanena dastet kurdanda, de navema heta barza keren ,o de bejnama hen falet kurdistanena , o qat bawar naka  am av teshta bexazen gal kurdan diktator ,garak am dastexo danena daste havdan o am le bar senge dojmenema ye xaeyn kurdi berasten o har tem am le banda we rojena da behet o bejen turkeya hata shemale o peshta kurdan beshkenet ,
amen bo we rojee,Aga, bale jber naka har rojak de het am ashure pelavaxo danena sar sare gale kurd !!!

Akh, an Iraqi Assyrian answering in Kurdi  :mrgreen:

He is saying: Yes, Kurds are many in number but small in brain. How can Assyrians ask for their rights/work for their rights from dictators.  How can we put our hands in the hands of dictators like Massoud Barzani and Talabani.  So we are not in need of joining hands with Kurds so they can call us Christians of Kurdistan - they want to lose our name, with those assyrians who have chosen to work with them.  SO I ask God that today Turks hit the Kurds and we Assyrians put our feet on their heads.

Roughly.

 

[Naram-Sin]

Kurds and Turks cannot be anything but our enemies.

 

[gewarges]

Aga you spaek turkish ?

 

[GGBW]

This thread is going to cause my bipolar... all that Gypsy talk is seriously getting me nauseous.

Waleeta you speak kurmanje? 

@ gypsy talk.

Enough.  :mrgreen:

 

[Rumtaya]

Qam akhlitone Aga hahaha...

Aga, we are looking for a peaceful solution, but we will never ACCEPT a Kurdistan on the Graves of our Forefathers....dont care for turkey,iran and the mountain areas of arbil and suleimani provinz, but what is for northern Iraq beeing Nohada and Nineveh Plains we will do our best to stand against kurdish or anyother ethnic group laying hands on it and building their state over our heads.

Notice I am talking of areas where we have villages and where some are still occupied

I rather suppourt a unifed Iraq then having a a nonAssyria over the areas I wrote above.

 

[Aga]

thanks for translations dear waleeta...
Mr Geweges go ahead what do I care, hahah I don`t have anythings left, i ive here in the westworld and I will die here..to be honest with you, thats what iam talking about, to get war with evryone who are standing in your way, for more information  I don`t speak turkish, but little bit arabic but not much...