Dutch Government propose ban on the wearing of Muslim Burqas

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THE Netherlands is likely to become the first country in Europe to ban the burka, under government proposals that would bring in some of the toughest curbs on Muslim clothing in the world.

The country?s hardline Integration Minister, Rita Verdonk, known as the Iron Lady for her series of tough anti-immigration measures, told Parliament that she was going to investigate where and when the burka should be banned. The burka, traditional clothing in some Islamic societies, covers a woman?s face and body, leaving only a strip of gauze for the eyes.

The ban is likely to be enforced in shops, public buildings, cinemas, train and bus stations and airports, as well as on trains and buses.

The Netherlands has become preoccupied by Islamic terrorism after the investigation into the murder of the film-maker Theo van Gogh uncovered a network of Muslim extremists dedicated to destroying the country. Attention has turned to the burka because police authorities have become concerned that a terrorist could use one for concealment.

Yassim Hertog, a vice-president of the Muslim School Boards Union, said: ?Can you prohibit someone from wearing a certain type of dress? They are trying to test what a government can forbid, and how far you can go trampling on people?s rights. They want to show all these Dutch citizens who are sick and tired of all these ?mutant? citizens, this is where we draw the line ? get normal.?

Last year two Muslim women lost a court case against their college that had banned them from wearing burkas during their social work and childcare course. The judge backed the college in its claim that children had to be able to see who was caring for them, prompting the women to drop the course.

Famile Arslan, the women?s lawyer, told The Times:

?Women have a very strong opinion about the burka. If you ban it they won?t leave the house. It is not a good way to integrate and emancipate Muslim women.?

The Netherlands would become the first European country to ban the wearing of the burka in public situations, although there are already some local bans. Last year several Belgian towns, including Antwerp and Ghent, banned the wearing of the burka in public, and recently started issuing ?100 spot fines for breaking the municipal ordinance. Several towns in Italy, including Como, have invoked legislation introduced by Mussolini that bans hiding one?s face in public to impose fines on burka-wearers. France and several regions of Germany have followed Turkey and Tunisia in banning the wearing of the hijab, which leaves the face visible, in public buildings, most controversially in schools.

What do you guys think?
 
There's the argument that this rule would a breach of a muslim's right to freedom of religon/expression. They may have a point but if I was head of a government I would be willing to override this right in favour of creating harmony and unity within a state/country.

Muslims always complain that they are often segregated from society and that they are discriminated against becase of their religon and they way they dress. When you go to an islamic state you are expected to conform to their rules which are islamic-based such as the prohibiting of wearing a chirstian cross, so why shouldn't it be the same in a christian state?

Muslims should learn that in order for them to live in harmonious society they should try to integrate more with the community and by dressing they way they do, they are simply distancing themselves.

There is also the argument that by banning the burqa it will benefit national security. This is a strong argument as wearing a burqa allows a person from concealing objects such as guns, knives, etc.
 
muslims always cry racism n shit, they are the ones who need to get NORMAL! then these bans wouldnt need to be implemented

f*#&*@&@ muslims theyre doing this shit everywhere, even here the govt wanted to ban girls wearing headgear at school heeeeeeeeeeeeee muslim leaders made hosa on the news 'against our rights'

they go to another country and wanna take their shit with em, thats against the rights of the original ppl of that country
 
It's ABOUT time. Muslims make non-muslims wear it in their countries (Egypt/Saudia Arabia) so why can't we do the same :thumbsup:

What do U think happened to all those Assyrians.............they were threatened to change or get killed. There R Muslim regions in Iraq where the people put crosses on the bread before baking them(hint hint)
 
I would have to agree to a point, and completely disagree with you guys completely. Yes Muslims are oppressive.

Nat2lee said:

It's ABOUT time. Muslims make non-muslims wear it in their countries (Egypt/Saudia Arabia) so why can't we do the same

This raises a very interesting question. Just by the above statement, you have defined ethics to be relative, rather than subconscious. By that, you are saying we should make ethical judgements, not on the basis of how unconscionable something may be, but in relevance to how ethical or unethical other events may be. By that logic, we should look at the massacre of Damour in Lebanon, in which militant Palestinians massacred a bunch of Lebanese Christians, and then say Shatila-Sabra massacre was ok and legitimate just because the Muslims killed the Christians 7 years before. Now is that rational and right?

Our ethical judgements cannot be based on such rhetoric as 'since you killed my brother, i'll kill your brother', because this is what it inevitably leads to. To say 'Muslims have been doing it to others, so now we can do it to them' holds so many obvious flaws. If we are to start relativizing our subconscious ethical values, then we should also say that all Bosnian Muslims have the right to hate Orthodox Serbs, since that sort of discontent would be based on 'you did it to us..so we'll do it to you'.
 
Iraqi_Irani_Al-Farabi,
Good point............after all the "eye for an eye" theme goes against God's teaching. My answer was a little immature, but I guess when your people are oppressed you don't think logically.


Great answer and I like how U carry yourself :)
 
Only reason I am against this relativization is because then you are practicing what you claim to criticize. It achieves nothing but endless circles. Trust me, Muslims are the ones in their countries who oppress Christians, atheists, and secularists and I am very tempted to say 'you guys deserve it'. But I have to seperate my emotional feelings from my rational thinking. The latter is dominant in the end.
 
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