Could this election be a precurser to the end of Iraq?

Enki

Enki

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I was just tossing ideas around with a good friend and we both were of the same/similar opinion. We are questioning this election as a whole. Somehow, it just seems to me that this election is only a precurser to a much bigger event. That being the complete break up of Iraq into 3 (maybe 4) regions.

To be blunt, I hope it happens. I hope the Kurds get a country. I hope the Shia get a country. I hope the Sunni get a country. And of course I hope Assyrians get one too, although I wont hold my breath. Iraq, from day 1, was a phony, made up country. It's borders were drawn randomly on a map. There is no historical or cultural link to the region. The same goes for Syria.

By breaking it up and dividing the region by culture, we can hopefully see some more stabilization in the region. I just think this election is creating that push for a stronger independent movement on all three of those fronts.

Anyone else?
 
Enki said:
I was just tossing ideas around with a good friend and we both were of the same/similar opinion. We are questioning this election as a whole. Somehow, it just seems to me that this election is only a precurser to a much bigger event. That being the complete break up of Iraq into 3 (maybe 4) regions.

To be blunt, I hope it happens. I hope the Kurds get a country. I hope the Shia get a country. I hope the Sunni get a country. And of course I hope Assyrians get one too, although I wont hold my breath. Iraq, from day 1, was a phony, made up country. It's borders were drawn randomly on a map. There is no historical or cultural link to the region. The same goes for Syria.

By breaking it up and dividing the region by culture, we can hopefully see some more stabilization in the region. I just think this election is creating that push for a stronger independent movement on all three of those fronts.

Anyone else?
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I think this was already addressed in Article 125.  The whole middle east was drawn up post WWI, as you mentioned.  Kurds have no business being there to begin with and having non-secular (religious run) countries is not exactly an interest for the USA and other world powers.  Plus, if there was indeed a "Kurdistan"... I bet the very next day Turkey would flex its muscles and invade.  The whole region would be a mess and that would sky rocket oil prices and again, not the best interest of the USA or the world.

Violence is relative Enki.  It's just a matter of establishing some order.  You can't go from dictator to democracy over night with an outside presence.  What scares me is when the US forces leave (or somewhat leave), that the environment in Iraq will be like.  Is all the violence truly about their invasion or are there worse, religious pretenses associated with it?
 
Enki said:
I was just tossing ideas around with a good friend and we both were of the same/similar opinion. We are questioning this election as a whole. Somehow, it just seems to me that this election is only a precurser to a much bigger event. That being the complete break up of Iraq into 3 (maybe 4) regions.

To be blunt, I hope it happens. I hope the Kurds get a country. I hope the Shia get a country. I hope the Sunni get a country. And of course I hope Assyrians get one too, although I wont hold my breath. Iraq, from day 1, was a phony, made up country. It's borders were drawn randomly on a map. There is no historical or cultural link to the region. The same goes for Syria.

By breaking it up and dividing the region by culture, we can hopefully see some more stabilization in the region. I just think this election is creating that push for a stronger independent movement on all three of those fronts.

Anyone else?
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I?ve been saying this for how many years now, it was a fake country put together by the French and British for their own self interests.
It was never united nor was the tribes that inhabited the land.
There is no sense of nationalism; Iraq is never going to work unless you install another dictator to silence the mob. But all dictators fall which comes to my point Iraq is going to fail as a ?country?
Blaming it on the Iranians or the terrorists is just a scapegoat.

Carve it up I say.

 
Most countries are fake countries put together by someone or another. Especially the British.

Barzani was on some Russian interview show the other day, sitting in front of the "Allah oo Akbar" Iraqi flag, proclaiming his pride that Kurdistan is part of Iraq. I think that is the first time I've seen him sit in front of what he used to call the "Ba'athist flag", which for years, he refused to acknowledge.

Allawi is proving incredibly popular because of his secular, pro-Iraqi (patriotic, not "arab nationalist") stance.  Iraq isn't going anywhere. And a lot of people have been saying that for years.
 
That's why Allawi's so popular: he doesn't want to form a government by himself. His ticket is full of every type of Iraqi there is, including Christians, as a matter of fact.  He made a point to make in an Iraq-ist ticket. And Iraqis seem to love it.
 
Well I'm not sure why you're winking at me...but please don't wink at me.

He can and likely will lose - but he is still very popular. Far more popular than a lot of people who wanted Iraq to be sectarian thought he would be.
 
waleeta said:
Most countries are fake countries put together by someone or another. Especially the British.

Barzani was on some Russian interview show the other day, sitting in front of the "Allah oo Akbar" Iraqi flag, proclaiming his pride that Kurdistan is part of Iraq. I think that is the first time I've seen him sit in front of what he used to call the "Ba'athist flag", which for years, he refused to acknowledge.

Allawi is proving incredibly popular because of his secular, pro-Iraqi (patriotic, not "arab nationalist") stance.  Iraq isn't going anywhere. And a lot of people have been saying that for years.
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Most is an over exaggeration, and Barzani is only doing that so Turkey does not attack him (you know this).  Once they can stand on their own two feet they will raise, it?s just a matter of time.
 
Anyone watched "The Greenzone" with Matt Damon.....yeah...watch it  :lol:



But seriously, Iraq lies between Shiite, Sunni and Ottoman (yes, they are different  :lol:) countries....with a booming population of gypsies....

I'm surprised a Civil War has not broken out yet!
 
I think we have to look at this with what is the interest of the countries currently "protecting" Iraq (U.S., Britain, others).  They want a secular Iraq because Iraq itself is a gold-mine.  Not just with oil but other natural resources.  They want to instill in it a business structure and make it their little puppet in the Middle East so they can suck the $ out of it and use it as a military base against the real threats to their interests (i.e. China/Russia). 

Iraq will be just another revenue stream for the U.S. and other countries.  War creates jobs and infuses money into the powering countries.  Iraq will never split up because that is less $ for the empowering countries.  An Iraqi Civil War will be based solely on religious pretenses and I think the US and others will back a non-Iranian (Shi'ite) party any day (just like they backed Saddam in Iran/Iraq War...duh.)  So, you see, this stuff is pretty simple.  Instead of Saddam reaping the benefits of Iraq, the US and others took him out to in essence steal it.  Think of the world as one big corporation and the heads of states at board members.  The less members in the board, the more money that goes to the rest.
 
waleeta said:
Most countries are fake countries put together by someone or another. Especially the British.

Barzani was on some Russian interview show the other day, sitting in front of the "Allah oo Akbar" Iraqi flag, proclaiming his pride that Kurdistan is part of Iraq. I think that is the first time I've seen him sit in front of what he used to call the "Ba'athist flag", which for years, he refused to acknowledge.

Allawi is proving incredibly popular because of his secular, pro-Iraqi (patriotic, not "arab nationalist") stance.  Iraq isn't going anywhere. And a lot of people have been saying that for years.
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Barzani is using this flagg, he is aware what he is doing. He does not want the iraqi flagg and he had tried to change the flagg but he is the only one whom wants to change the flagg and he had gived iraqi government a time period for this flagg, if they change with kurdish symbol then he will have it behind him if not  he will not put flagg behind him.
 
Knight said:
Anyone watched "The Greenzone" with Matt Damon.....yeah...watch it  :lol:



But seriously, Iraq lies between Shiite, Sunni and Ottoman (yes, they are different  :lol:) countries....with a booming population of gypsies....

I'm surprised a Civil War has not broken out yet!
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it has already began but not openly, thats why our umta?s population decreasing day by day..
 
rumrum said:
I think we have to look at this with what is the interest of the countries currently "protecting" Iraq (U.S., Britain, others).  They want a secular Iraq because Iraq itself is a gold-mine.  Not just with oil but other natural resources.  They want to instill in it a business structure and make it their little puppet in the Middle East so they can suck the $ out of it and use it as a military base against the real threats to their interests (i.e. China/Russia). 

Iraq will be just another revenue stream for the U.S. and other countries.  War creates jobs and infuses money into the powering countries.  Iraq will never split up because that is less $ for the empowering countries.  An Iraqi Civil War will be based solely on religious pretenses and I think the US and others will back a non-Iranian (Shi'ite) party any day (just like they backed Saddam in Iran/Iraq War...duh.)  So, you see, this stuff is pretty simple.  Instead of Saddam reaping the benefits of Iraq, the US and others took him out to in essence steal it.  Think of the world as one big corporation and the heads of states at board members.  The less members in the board, the more money that goes to the rest.
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Iraq will never be secular at least not shia?s area within Bagdad maybe Sunni?s districts and kurdish could be secular
 
Knight said:
Anyone watched "The Greenzone" with Matt Damon.....yeah...watch it  :lol:



But seriously, Iraq lies between Shiite, Sunni and Ottoman (yes, they are different  :lol:) countries....with a booming population of gypsies....

I'm surprised a Civil War has not broken out yet!
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