Church of the East message regarding the Chicago Demonstration

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I just saw this on the net.

Instead of us collectively united we go and try to convince the rest of the world to help us, the church of the east is sending a letter denouncing the participation of Mar Bawai Soro in the demonstration regarding the treatment of our people back home.

I thought at a time like this when our people are being massacred we can unite, especially churches.
Nothing can be done to us that will bring us to unity.

وصلنا التصريح التالي من كنيسة المشرق الاشورية ننشره ادناه:


كنيسة المشرق الرسولية الاشورية المقدسة
امانة سر المجمع المقدس
Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East
Secretariat of the Holy Synod
P.O. Box 621
Fairfield, N.S.W.
2165 Australia

تصــريح

تحية في الرب،
نشر عدد من مواقع الانترنت تقارير اخبارية عن مظاهرة لابناء الجالية الاشورية في شيكاغو يوم الخميس 28 حزيران 2007 والكلمة التي القاها فيها الاسقف الموقوف اشور باوي سورو.
نود توضيح هذه النقاط نيابة عن كنيسة المشرق الاشورية:

اولا: ان الاسقف الموقوف اشور باوي سورو ومنذ تشرين الثاني 2005 لم يعد اسقفا في كنيسة المشرق الاشورية، حيث اقر المجمع السنهاديقي للكنيسة المنعقد برئاسة قداسة البطريرك مار دنخا الرابع وباجماع جميع اعضاءه ايقافه وتجريده من كافة الصلاحيات والسلطات الاسقفية ومن عضوية المجمع السنهاديقي للكنيسة، بل وان الكنيسة تخوض الان اجراءات قانونية بحق الاسقف السابق لوضعه اليد بصورة غير شرعية على عدد من ممتلكاتها، كما وتتضمن اجراءات تحقيقية في سلوكيات مالية مختلفة قام بها من حيث اساءة التصرف باموال وعائدات الكنيسة وابناءها.

ثانيا: وبناء عليه فان الاسقف الموقوف لا يمتلك حق التحدث باسم كنيسة المشرق الاشورية وهي ليست مسؤولة عن اي موقف او تصريح له. اضافة الى ان كنيسة المشرق لم تكن من المنظمين او المشاركين في هذه التظاهرة.

ثالثا: ان كنيسة المشرق الاشورية صاحبة الارث الانساني والحضاري الغني والتي ولدت وترعرعت ونمت في ارض النهرين وعاشت تفاصيل الفي عام من تاريخ الوطن وباتت جزءا حيويا من ارث وتاريخ وهوية الوطن هي اكثر من يشعر بعمق معاناة عموم ابناء شعبنا العراقي في وسط وجنوب الوطن بسبب العنف اليومي من جهة وتردي الخدمات والاحتياجات الحياتية من جهة اخرى، وتشاركه في هذه المعاناة وتتالم بالامه وتنظر الى نهاية قريبة وعاجلة لهذه المعاناة.
ومع تصاعد استهداف المجتمع المسيحي العراقي في الاشهر الاخيرة فان كنيسة المشرق الاشورية توجهت ومن خلال رسالة قداسة البطريرك مار دنخا الرابع، الى الجهات والمرجعيات الحكومية المعنية مبدية قلقها وتالمها العميق من ذلك ومناشدة اياهم تولي مسؤولياتهم من اجل الامن والامان والسلام والاستقرار في العراق الحبيب.

رابعا: ان كنيسة المشرق الاشورية تدعو وتبشر بروح ومبادئ الاخوة والمحبة والشراكة بين ابناء الوطن بمختلف انتماءاتهم القومية والدينية والمذهبية، هذه الاخوة والشراكة التي من دونها لا يقوم الوطن ولا يبنى المستقبل.
ان كنيسة المشرق الاشورية تشارك ابناءها في الوطن طموحهم في مستقبل وطني يحقق العدل والمساواة لهم ويضمن لهم ادارة ذاتهم والتعبير عن هويتهم وخصوصيتهم جنبا الى جنب مع اخوتهم من العرب والكرد والتركمان.

خامسا: ان كنيسة المشرق الاشورية تدعو الحكومة العراقية ودول الجوار والمجتمع الدولي عامة الى تحمل مسؤولياتهم الانسانية تجاه اللاجئين والنازحين الذين تضطرهم الاوضاع الى ترك مساكنهم طلبا للامن والامان.
ان تقديم العون الانساني لهم بشتى انواعه هو مطلب انساني طارئ.

وختاما، فان كنيسة المشرق الاشورية ومجمعها المقدس وكهنتها وابناءها المؤمنين هم حاملي رسالة سلام ومحبة وهم يدعون بالصلاة والايمان الى الرب لينعم على ربوع العراق ببركات الامن والسلام وليشارك العراقيين جميعا في بناء المستقبل الزاهر لابناءهم واجيالهم ويتجاوزوا المحنة الحالية وليستعيد الانسان والشعب والوطن العراقي دوره كما كان عير التاريخ دورا انسانيا حضاريا تشهد له متاحف ومكتبات العالم.
والشعب الاشوري، والذي هو احد مكونات الشعب العراقي وينتمي الى العراق تاريخا وحاضرا ومستقبلا يتطلع الى هذا المستقبل بروح الاخوة والشراكة والاحترام.

وليبارك الرب الانسان والشعب والوطن العراقي..


الاسقف مار ميلس زيا
بالنعمة، اسقف كنيسة المشرق الاشورية على ابرشية استراليا ونيزيلندا​
 
I know this will probably get deleted, as the administrators are trying to avoid this topic (causes too much trouble!), so I will just say this before it's too late:  this could not have been written by Mar Meelis -- his Arabic from all those that know him well is not that strong.  The wording of this document has Emmanuel Baito's (the KDP's Nimrod Baito's brother) fingerprints all over it.
 
:giggle: They will come up with anything. Apesqopa d Austrailia doesnt know how to speak arabic like that...totally was written for him.
 
I don't know if we've all been reading or watching the same media but it seems to me that churches are uniting ........................................... under the KDP umbrella!


At lease they're uniting............... right?  :bangin:
 
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Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East

PRESS RELEASE
7th of July, 2007

Greeting in the name of the lord.

Recently, few Internet news websites have published reports of a demonstration held by Assyrian community in Chicago on Thursday June 28th 2007, were a speech was given by the suspended bishop Ashur Bawai Soro.

Firstly, the said suspended bishop, Ashur Bawai Soro, since November 2005 is not considered a bishop of the Assyrian Church of the East. The Holy Synod of the Church which was convened under the Chairmanship of H.H. Mar Dinkha IV Catholicos Patriarch and with the unanimous approval of all members of the Synod have decided to defrock him of all his ecclesial authority, diocesan power and the membership of the Holy Synod of the Church. In fact, the Church has taken legal actions against the suspended bishop for illegally controlling the properties of the Church and also is running an investigation and auditing of his different financial activities including some financial mismanagement of funds and income of the Church and her faithful.

Secondly, based on the above, the suspended bishop has no right to speak on behalf of the Assyrian Church of the East and the Church bear no responsibility whatsoever for his statements or stance. Furthermore, the Assyrian Church was not one of the organizers of the said demonstration, nor did participate in it.

Thirdly, The Assyrian Church of the East, the owner of a rich civilized humanitarian heritage, that was founded, nurtured and developed in the land of Bet-Nahrain, and lived in the chapters of the 2000 years history of that land, remained an existing living component of the historical heritage and identity of that country, feels much deeply about the suffering of the Iraqi people, whether in the centre or the south of the country, of the daily violence on one hand and the degradation of the standards of living and the necessities of life on the other hand. The Church shares this suffering and feels much hurt for their pain, and hopes for a near end of this tragedy.

With the rise of targeting of the Iraqi Christian community in the last few months, the Assyrian Church of the East has sent a letter, through H.H. Mar Dinkha IV, Catholicos Patriarch, to all involving parties and responsible governmental agencies, stating ACOE?s deep concerns and anguish regarding the present tragic situation, calling upon them to take charge of their task and responsibilities of protecting the security, safety, peace, and tranquility of our beloved Iraq.

Fourth, The Assyrian Church of the East has always called for the spread of the spirit of love, brotherhood, and fellowship among the Iraqi sons and daughters regardless of their faith, nationalistic, or religious affiliations. Without this sincere spirit of brotherhood and fellowship, the country cannot stand on its own and no better future can be built. The Assyrian Church of the East fully shares the future aspirations of the Iraqi people, and their objectives of seeing an Iraq that is based on equality and justice for all, that guarantees for them their self ruling and to freely express themselves and their aspirations, identity, and individualism side by side with their Arab, Kurds and Turkmen brothers and sisters.

Fifth, The Assyrian Church of the East calls upon the Iraqi Government and neighboring countries and the whole international community to carry their humanitarian responsibility of assisting Iraqi refugees and those who were forced due to the present difficult circumstances to leave their homes and country, seeking shelter and peace in other countries, to assist them in every possible humanitarian mean. This indeed is an emergency humanitarian necessity.

In conclusion, The Assyrian Church of the East, and the Holy Synod, priests and all the faithful, are people who carry the message of peace and love. They continue to pray in complete faith to their Lord, that He may shower the meadow of Iraq with His blessings, harmony and peace, that the Iraqi people may rejoice and participate all and fully in building their prosperous future for their own sake and the sake of the future generations. May they be able to leap over their present troubles, and may Iraq and its citizens recover their historical and humanitarian role in building a civilized world, as Iraq?s passed achievements are still witnessed in the libraries and museums of the world.

The Assyrian People historically is an integral part of the fabric of the Iraqi people and belongs to Iraq in the past, present, future and will continuously look forward to a future that is based on a spirit of love, brotherhood, fellowship and respect to all.

May the Lord bless Iraq and the Iraqi people.

Mar Meelis zaia
Bishop
Diocese of Australia and New Zealand
Secretary of the Synod
Secretary of CIRED
Assyrian Church of the East.
 
Is there a shrug smiley?  I need a shrug smiley.  Otherwise..."insert shrug smiley here" is what i think of this.
 
waleeta said:
Is there a shrug smiley?  I need a shrug smiley.  Otherwise..."insert shrug smiley here" is what i think of this.
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:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

I love your sense of humor sometimes!!!!
 
waleeta said:
Is there a shrug smiley?  I need a shrug smiley.  Otherwise..."insert shrug smiley here" is what i think of this.
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:hmmm:

I'd say this one is appropriate.  :frustrated:
 
Well Mar Meelis is doing this to himself and the entire ACOE:
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David said:
Why?
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Hhhmmmmm.......I won't take part in a demonstration to call attention to the plight of my people who are suffering in the homeland because someone that I don't like will be speaking there.  It may sound typically Assyrian, but we are supposed to believe that clergy are above this kind of nonsense.

 
David said:
Why?
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Let me see:

1.  betnahrain.org/bbs for their remarks regarding the demonstration in Chicago
2.  The current press release by him regarding the demonstration
3.  His hatred towards H.G. Mar Bawai and his supporters (though the demonstration had nothing to do with supporting this bishop).
4.  Apesqupa d'australia's reluctance to join in a demonstration against persecution of the Christian faithful in his home country,

I could go on, but I fear this thread will be deleted. 
 
I didn't know my one word reponse sparked such rapture and passion as a devil's advocate would necessitate?
 
David said:
I didn't know my one word reponse sparked such rapture and passion as a devil's advocate would necessitate?
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Is it a question you are asking or just making a comment?  I based that picture on many of your posts, most of which would require a hearty reply with simple logic.  I do admire you for that.  I believe it is in your character to pose one word questions of which earn you title of devil's advocate. 
 
Pakhoooootaaa, don't ask me which specific part of this thread is pakhoota, because it all is.

Thread locked, since it's overwhelmingly based on the Church situation, and this isn't the appropriate section.

Baklawa's close to being psychic now.  :lol:

-S
 
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