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Can any one tell me what these 4 colorful hores mean in REV.:6


WHITE HORSE 

RED  HORSE           

BLACK  HORSE       

PALE HORSE
By the way the orginal word of pale horse in greek mean GREEN horse.


REV.  6


1I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.

5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart[a] of wheat for a day''s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day''s wages,[c] and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and there before me
was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to
kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
 
You should put your detective work towards proving the existence of your god first, then try to decipher these "hidden messages." You've skipped the first step.

What you're doing right now is no different than trying to decipher some hidden clues in the lord of the rings books. Every "holy" book remains fiction until its proven with sufficient evidence.
 
Welcome back gilbert. Please, he has not said anything about God or his beliefs, he wants to solve something in a book (the bible). If you are here just to annoy him or anyone her please end your discussion. We don't want your opinion in this because we are all already aware of it...
 
the_dave said:
Welcome back gilbert. Please, he has not said anything about God or his beliefs, he wants to solve something in a book (the bible).
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Which is exactly why I think his efforts would be better spent on the first step instead of skipping it.
 
the_dave said:
If you are here just to annoy him or anyone her please end your discussion. We don't want your opinion in this because we are all already aware of it...
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Please dont say we, you do not represent everyone.

Second, Im not here to annoy this person. I am challenging and encouraging them.
 
gilbert said:
Please dont say we, you do not represent everyone.

Second, Im not here to annoy this person. I am challenging and encouraging them.
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Could you do it in a way that is not so offensive then?
 
gilbert said:
Please dont say we, you do not represent everyone.

Second, Im not here to annoy this person. I am challenging and encouraging them.
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you want something Challenging and encouraging? go establish the Republic of Assyria.
 
the_dave said:
Could you do it in a way that is not so offensive then?
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Christianity (among other religions) is offensive. They act upon it as if its true when they clearly tell you its a belief.

Exactly what part was offensive anyways? The part about "holy" books being equal? What's not true about that? The god of christianity has not been proven as all other fictional characters amongst all religions. Besides, why are you so focused on emotions when you should be focused on the message?
 
gilbert said:
Christianity (among other religions) is offensive. They act upon it as if its true when they clearly tell you its a belief.

Exactly what part was offensive anyways? The part about "holy" books being equal? What's not true about that? The god of christianity has not been proven as all other fictional characters amongst all religions. Besides, why are you so focused on emotions when you should be focused on the message?
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first how do you know?, 2nd Assyrians created religion, Ashur means God from the root word Sharyana (creator) 3rd EVERYTHING was made by something.
 
mrzurnaci said:
first how do you know?, 2nd Assyrians created religion, Ashur means God from the root word Sharyana (creator) 3rd EVERYTHING was made by something.
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1. How do I know? Because not one religion has been proven. In fact, thats why theyre all still called "religion". It runs on beliefs, not facts.

2. 2nd assyrians created religion? Well you just made my point. Its man made.

3. You seem to have a flawed idea of how proof works. Can you define the words 'belief' and 'fact' for me?

4. Science is discovering that something CAN come out of nothing. So I would educate myself on these new discoveries before staying with this old "everything has a creator" mentality. That is if you're interested in facts and truth of the universe.
 
gilbert said:
4. Science is discovering that something CAN come out of nothing. So I would educate myself on these new discoveries before staying with this old "everything has a creator" mentality. That is if you're interested in facts and truth of the universe.
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science is discovering something that can come out of nothing? That sounds like a revival of the spontaneous generation theory. Plus instead of focusing on religion and debates and so on, shouldn't you be learning Sureth and learning your culture?

Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.

Fact is an objective consensus on a fundamental reality that has been agreed upon by a substantial number of people.

I mean Assyrians created Monotheism, Ashur meant God like I said.

plus, where did you hear/heard/see/feel that science is making something out of nothing, last I heard was that they were using centrifuges.
 
mrzurnaci said:
science is discovering something that can come out of nothing? That sounds like a revival of the spontaneous generation theory. Plus instead of focusing on religion and debates and so on, shouldn't you be learning Sureth and learning your culture?
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No, Assyrians and every other race, nationality, culture, or whatever you want to call it is man made. We're all humans and thats it. Everything else is made up. If thats not good enough for you, first you should remember that you never chose to be assyrian, and second, you cannot call yourself a particular "race" if your ancestors have mixed. We've all mixed. We all have a common ancestor, we're all the same. So to answer your question, no I have no interest in learning the assyrian culture. I dont associate myself as assyrian, just a human. Its a tribal mentality after all. The only thing that makes sense about it is if you acknowledge assyrians (or any other race) to just be a tribe. If you go any further and think or say that assyrians are different from other humans, you're wrong. The only interest behind it would be if I wanted to learn history of the world but never to "learn about myself." That's just silly. It makes no sense. Learning about yourself means you learn about your human ancestors, not what "race" you were born into.

Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
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...but isnt true. Dont forget to add that. One of the biggest problems with religion is how people spread it as if it IS true, especially parents teaching their kids. It is never acknowledged that it could be wrong, instead, its told as if it were fact.

Fact is an objective consensus on a fundamental reality that has been agreed upon by a substantial number of people.
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And has sufficient evidence to support the claim, very important.

I mean Assyrians created Monotheism, Ashur meant God like I said.

plus, where did you hear/heard/see/feel that science is making something out of nothing, last I heard was that they were using centrifuges.
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This professor explains it in some detail: 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009

If you end up skipping throughout the video, you may miss important information and the rest may not make sense.

But like I said, science is finding these new discoveries and its amazing.
 
wow
you think because ONE professor says "Something can come out of nothing" you think he is right? . If there's no such as race, culture, or what YOU call it, why are there so many different languages? why do Dialects exist? why do mutations exist? why am I dark skinned and hairy instead of black skinned like African people? Why do I have a big nose when others have a small one or a wide one? Yes we are all human, but the fact that we can invent tools and use torture against each other is what makes us different from other species. How the hell does a small code change over time to give us a better brain? why can it change at all?

Plus the fact that a people of Akkadian, Sumerian, Aramean, Amorite, deported Jews, some Mitanni, Hittite, Egyptian, Persian, Arab, Greek, Turkish, and Armenian; ALL under one name is unity under one language.
(Underlined means that these people are Semitic.)

so stop your foolishness and support your Assyrian people.
 
mrzurnaci said:
wow
you think because ONE professor says "Something can come out of nothing" you think he is right?
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You asked where I had heard about this information and I linked you what I think is a great presentation. You were expecting me to link you a bunch of videos. What would you say then, "you think just because 10 scientists say..." Would you even watch them? Did you even watch this one? And to correct you, its not just one scientist, its many scientists. If I didnt mention it before, science is getting closer and closer to discovering the origin of the universe. They are finding evidence to support the claim. Something religion doesnt do.

If there's no such as race, culture, or what YOU call it, why are there so many different languages? why do Dialects exist? why do mutations exist? why am I dark skinned and hairy instead of black skinned like African people? Why do I have a big nose when others have a small one or a wide one? Yes we are all human, but the fact that we can invent tools and use torture against each other is what makes us different from other species. How the hell does a small code change over time to give us a better brain? why can it change at all?
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What does this have to do with us not being the same? Just because we look different, have different languages, etc, does not make us different. Just take a look at our insides, or better yet, take a look at our dna. If you are talking about human's most recently history (say about 6 thousand years ago) then are you looking at humans very spread apart in the world. People living in different conditions such as climate will change your appearance. An example is, if you live in a very sunny environment, the skin will darken over thousands of years. You think youre speaking the same assyrian people spoke about a few thousand years ago? Its changed just like how it happened with the many tribes across the world. This hasnt changed either.

Also, I think evolution would answer most of your questions. You also seem to be headed toward the topic of "How does consciousness work?" with your question about how did you not end up black or what have you. But thats exactly what I was saying, you never chose to be how you would look. You happened to be born a human into the most currently known (comparing to amount of year's humans have existed) as the "assyrians". If thats not enough, this is also assuming your so called "assyrians" never mixed all these thousands of years. Again, knowing all this, how do you still call yourself assyrian if most recent ancestors have mixed.

So back to my point, there's only one race and thats the human race.

Plus the fact that a people of Akkadian, Sumerian, Aramean, Amorite, deported Jews, some Mitanni, Hittite, Egyptian, Persian, Arab, Greek, Turkish, and Armenian; ALL under one name is unity under one language.
(Underlined means that these people are Semitic.)

so stop your foolishness and support your Assyrian people.
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I would ask you to take yourself up on that request.
 
I think i just looked into the future............


Gilbert that video has already been seen by most of the AVNers that have followed your posts, so have they also heard pretty much everything you have said about God and religions...

So if you have nothing new, that might change the minds of the believers OR give them another challenge that is not the same, please spare your fingers from writing... we both know this discussion will come to nowhere.
 
gilbert said:
Also, I think evolution would answer most of your questions. You also seem to be headed toward the topic of "How does consciousness work?" with your question about how did you not end up black or what have you. But thats exactly what I was saying, you never chose to be how you would look. You happened to be born a human into the most currently known (comparing to amount of year's humans have existed) as the "assyrians". If thats not enough, this is also assuming your so called "assyrians" never mixed all these thousands of years. Again, knowing all this, how do you still call yourself assyrian if most recent ancestors have mixed.

So back to my point, there's only one race and thats the human race.
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well technically a Race is a large group of people distinguished from others on the basis of common, genetically linked, physical characteristics, such as skin color or hair type. While Ethnicity is a group of people who identify with one another, especially on the basis of racial, cultural, or religious grounds.

a religion is a collection of practices, based on beliefs and teachings that are highly valued or sacred.

plus don't throw comments back in my face, I'm tired of that old debate tactic, even I've used it to the point of abuse.
 
Thank you every one for your response, I was hoping some people that have good knowledge of the
Bible would chip in,  to see if their beliefs are in one accord with mine.  It is my opinion based on wording
of the writer and history of the world events that:...............................
 
WHITE HORSE: Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.      Represents: "CATHOLICISM" The Pope You will notice that everything used by the Pope is white
even his airplane and security car are white,  a symbolic of peace.

RED  HORSE:  Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword. Represents:  "COMMUNISM"  If you remember
the Russian flag was red and Russia killed over 40 millions of their own people, not to mention all that trouble that they caused world wide, Even to day Russians are building Killing machines and nuclear facilities for Islamic countries.   

BLACK  HORSE:  I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, ?Two pounds[a] of wheat for a day?s wages, and six pounds[c] of barley for a day?s wages,[d] and do not damage the oil and the wine!?
Represents "CAPITALISM"  You will notice most corporate executives wear black suites during business meetings  To day we see a lot of greed in the business world and we see collapse of world economic resources,that eventually
will be much worse   

PALE HORSE
By the way the original word of pale horse in Greek mean GREEN horse.

I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth
Represents: ISLAMAISM" You will notice Islam's favorite color is Green and Islam loves DEATH and to kill and destroy. They believe by killing themselves and others they are doing their false god a favor. Islam was born by sword and shall parish by sword.

Please note: this just my opinion and I will not respond to those who are ignorant of the Bible contents I'm look for opinions of those that have God's KNOWLEDGE. Thank you again for your respose,

 
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