Breaking News: Baghdad Church Massacre 2010
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khayaatour
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jonadona said:
now is about killing of our people in Bagdad and not in Erbil
Free_Assyria
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baklawa said:
You know I was the first to agree to his execution, but when something like this happens
Just makes you realize how much hold they had on the country even with their brutality nothing was as bad as this.
People keep saying it?s a borders issue and all the terrorists are outsiders none were Iraqi.
We need to get real there is no way these terrorists would have succeeded without the help of Iraqi?s.
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ASHOOR said:
Sorry, was going to edit it with a translation, but caught up with other things.
It has a list of all the big and major massacres committed against our people, starting from Simele in 1933, up to all the church attacks in the last few years, and culminating in the latest Black Sunday - Baghdad Church Massacre.
The picture was taken during one of the protests in the Nineveh Plains (school students) and someone added that text to it.
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It has a list of all the big and major massacres committed against our people, starting from Simele in 1933, up to all the church attacks in the last few years, and culminating in the latest Black Sunday - Baghdad Church Massacre.
The picture was taken during one of the protests in the Nineveh Plains (school students) and someone added that text to it.
ASHOOR
Qitma breshet 'Omar Kader" w kula ane teela raba takhmone bodeye!
I couldn't agree more! lol... It is amazing how much fascination the CBC and other liberal media outlets have for this terrorist kid, and his terrorist and stupid family.
100s of killed and injured Christians in Iraq? nah, not very important, and not worth covering...
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jacob said:
Jacob, I don't think they wouldn't, but how much coverage would they give it? Not much, even though it does deserve a lot of attention. Not just because it is Christians dying, but because how many died, how they did, and where they died.
I don't have Fox, I wonder if they gave it more than a few seconds of attention?
ASHOOR
The only way to deal with these idiots is to hit them back the same way they hit us, obviously back home we can't do that, but in the diaspora that's another story, we have enough Assyrian that can do damage in western countries to their Muslim communities, I don't support such act but these protests are obviously not working.
Tambur, they are khmareh as they are. Doing this, will make them khmareh b'qananeh!
If they are attacking our people under the excuse of what is happening in Egypt (totally unrelated) can you imagine how easy it would be for them to attack our people because their people in the west are being harmed?
I don't have a probloem with being very tough with Muslims in the west who try to become terrorist and cause problems. Absolutely not. Hit them where it hurts. But to hurt other Muslims, just because they are Muslims, I don't think will get us anywhere. At least not our people back home.
I think the best approach now is for the Iraqi government to get its act together and settle its differences, and select a PM finally! As long as you have a weak Iraqi government, security will be weak too, and other outside groups and government will exploit the situation and use these terrorists to advance their interests.
Unfortunately it is much deeper than their hate for who we are and what God we worship.
ASHOOR
If they are attacking our people under the excuse of what is happening in Egypt (totally unrelated) can you imagine how easy it would be for them to attack our people because their people in the west are being harmed?
I don't have a probloem with being very tough with Muslims in the west who try to become terrorist and cause problems. Absolutely not. Hit them where it hurts. But to hurt other Muslims, just because they are Muslims, I don't think will get us anywhere. At least not our people back home.
I think the best approach now is for the Iraqi government to get its act together and settle its differences, and select a PM finally! As long as you have a weak Iraqi government, security will be weak too, and other outside groups and government will exploit the situation and use these terrorists to advance their interests.
Unfortunately it is much deeper than their hate for who we are and what God we worship.
ASHOOR
SAN DIEGO -- The Iraqi Chaldean community in San Diego is still trying to come to terms with a massacre at a Catholic church in Baghdad that left more than 50 people dead.
In El Cajon, Rafi Romeal Hana takes a break from his job at a sandwich shop and sits at a table in the shade. He looks tired and sad. He speaks about his cousin who was living in Baghdad.
"When we were children he was telling me, I want to be a priest, I want to be a priest," he said.
His cousin, Dhear Abdullah, did go on to be a priest. He was giving Mass at his Baghdad church last Monday when terrorists broke in and began firing. The terrorist group is believed to be associated with Al Qaida. Hana said he was at his own church, St. Peter Chaldean Cathedral in El Cajon when he found out about the shooting.
"The priest here [said], there's people, terrorist people, who went to the church and killed the priest. And I know all my family, they go there every Sunday. My first cousin is a priest there," Hana said.
Hana went home and called his mother. She and Hana's father and brother had stayed home from church that day. At first Hana believed his cousin had just been injured. He later found out that he'd been the first person killed. Hana said the priest told the terrorists they could kill him, but they should let his parishioners live.
"He told them?kill me first, but don't kill the people. If you want to kill me, kill me," Hana said. "They killed my cousin? first. And his brother who was there, he went to him to hug him and they killed him."
Hana said his aunt was also at the service. She threw herself on top of her sons after they'd been shot and then she was shot. She remains in the hospital.
Hana said Christians in Iraq are increasingly being driven from the country. Hana experienced this himself. He immigrated to the United States last year after a terrorist group began threatening him while he was working in a Baghdad hospital.
"They [came] to my home, they threaten me. They told me, 'we're going to give you three days to make a decision. If you don't join us we're going to kill you.' That's why the next day I took my family and ran away from my home," he said.
Hana and his family eventually fled to Turkey and then came to the U.S.
Dr. Noori Barka is the Chairman of the Chaldean Council for Public Affairs, which represents 10 organizations in San Diego. He said it's estimated there were about a million Christians living in Iraq at one point. He said over the last seven years 1,000 have been killed and 600,000 have left the country. Barka said this latest attack is particularly horrific.
"With a car bomb in the street, the car bomb doesn't differentiate between Christians or Muslims. Christians are killed, Muslims are killed. But when you go into a church and you target people praying, Christians, this is a very different story now," Barka said.
Barka believes terrorists associate Iraqi Christians with the West and attack them as a way to send a message. Hana said the church massacre was a senseless act. "They went there to pray. They didn't carry any weapons and the terrorist killed them."
By Katie Orr
www.kpbs.org
In El Cajon, Rafi Romeal Hana takes a break from his job at a sandwich shop and sits at a table in the shade. He looks tired and sad. He speaks about his cousin who was living in Baghdad.
"When we were children he was telling me, I want to be a priest, I want to be a priest," he said.
His cousin, Dhear Abdullah, did go on to be a priest. He was giving Mass at his Baghdad church last Monday when terrorists broke in and began firing. The terrorist group is believed to be associated with Al Qaida. Hana said he was at his own church, St. Peter Chaldean Cathedral in El Cajon when he found out about the shooting.
"The priest here [said], there's people, terrorist people, who went to the church and killed the priest. And I know all my family, they go there every Sunday. My first cousin is a priest there," Hana said.
Hana went home and called his mother. She and Hana's father and brother had stayed home from church that day. At first Hana believed his cousin had just been injured. He later found out that he'd been the first person killed. Hana said the priest told the terrorists they could kill him, but they should let his parishioners live.
"He told them?kill me first, but don't kill the people. If you want to kill me, kill me," Hana said. "They killed my cousin? first. And his brother who was there, he went to him to hug him and they killed him."
Hana said his aunt was also at the service. She threw herself on top of her sons after they'd been shot and then she was shot. She remains in the hospital.
Hana said Christians in Iraq are increasingly being driven from the country. Hana experienced this himself. He immigrated to the United States last year after a terrorist group began threatening him while he was working in a Baghdad hospital.
"They [came] to my home, they threaten me. They told me, 'we're going to give you three days to make a decision. If you don't join us we're going to kill you.' That's why the next day I took my family and ran away from my home," he said.
Hana and his family eventually fled to Turkey and then came to the U.S.
Dr. Noori Barka is the Chairman of the Chaldean Council for Public Affairs, which represents 10 organizations in San Diego. He said it's estimated there were about a million Christians living in Iraq at one point. He said over the last seven years 1,000 have been killed and 600,000 have left the country. Barka said this latest attack is particularly horrific.
"With a car bomb in the street, the car bomb doesn't differentiate between Christians or Muslims. Christians are killed, Muslims are killed. But when you go into a church and you target people praying, Christians, this is a very different story now," Barka said.
Barka believes terrorists associate Iraqi Christians with the West and attack them as a way to send a message. Hana said the church massacre was a senseless act. "They went there to pray. They didn't carry any weapons and the terrorist killed them."
By Katie Orr
www.kpbs.org
Free_Assyria
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Not that it matters I consider these people as my brothers, but was it a Syriac church or a Chaldean church I?m getting conflicting reports.
Also do these people speak Assyrian? I thought they were more like Iraqi Christians because of the of the flags on the coffins, but then they quoted Semele massacres on one of these banners.
Also do these people speak Assyrian? I thought they were more like Iraqi Christians because of the of the flags on the coffins, but then they quoted Semele massacres on one of these banners.
Free_Assyria said:
Good questions and some people are getting confused.
As an ethnicity (and although it is all Assyrians at the end of the day) , they are considered Syriacs (or Syriani as we say it in Arabic)
As for the church, it is a Catholic church.
So it is a mix of a Syriac ethnicity and Chaldean church.
And this church is not to be confused with the other Syriac church: Syriac Orthodox Church.
ASHOOR
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ASHOOR said:
awesome thanks for clearing that up, so do they speak assyrian or they have lost their native tongue? I meet a Syriani from Iraq a year ago
and he told me he knew he was Assyrian but he said he lost it but his parents spoke the language also he was from the Chaldean Church.
Do we have any ACOE churches left in Baghdad?
Free_Assyria said:
No, most of them speak Arabic. Some in the west may identify themselves as being Assyrian, but the ones in Iraq refer to themselves as Iraqis or "Syrianien"
And they are not to be confused with the Syrianis from Turkey who are the most patriotic Assyrians you can find. Then you have Syrianis in Syria who are half-half.
To me, even if some of them go as far as mock the word "Assyrian" (and yes those do exist) , to me what matters is the historical fact which is that they are Assyrian at the end of the day. So even if they deny a fact, we are not foolish to abandon them. A fact is a fact, even if another person chooses not to believe in it.
And at times like these, you stand with your brothers no matter what. Politics should stay away from it.
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ASHOOR said:
I agree with you 100% it?s not their fault they were victims of propaganda we should not abandon ?lost sheep? especially in time of need like this. To tell you the truth the guy that told me he was Assyrian was fresh of the boat. They quoted in one of those banners semele disaster so i would go as far as to say they know their roots.
So do we have any ACOE churches in baghdad?
ACOE as in "Assyrian Church of the East"? LOL of course man!
It is funny you ask this question, because just today I was reading this entry on Wikipedia about the number of Christian churches in Baghdad: there is a total of 65 at least, which is quiet high!
I would say up to 10 of those are ACOE. And another 5 or so are from the Ancient Assyrian Church of the East.
Almost all of those are active, including St. Mary which is right across from my house, and where we grew up. Here is a picture I found of it today online:
this picture is from last year.
ASHOOR
It is funny you ask this question, because just today I was reading this entry on Wikipedia about the number of Christian churches in Baghdad: there is a total of 65 at least, which is quiet high!
I would say up to 10 of those are ACOE. And another 5 or so are from the Ancient Assyrian Church of the East.
Almost all of those are active, including St. Mary which is right across from my house, and where we grew up. Here is a picture I found of it today online:
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