Barzani Rules Out Kurdish State

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Iraq's Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani has openly declared for the first time that Iraqi Kurds do not seek independence.

Barzani pointed to the Kurdish calls for a referendum on the status of the oil-rich city of Kirkuk in northern Iraq and added that "some neighboring countries say Kurds will set up an independent state if Article 140 [of the Iraqi constitution that calls for the referendum] is implemented,"

"But there is no such thing. I am an Iraqi. I am an Iraqi citizen of Kurdish origin," Barzani who was addressing conference in the city of Arbil said on Tuesday, according to Turkey's Zaman newspaper.

The referendum is slated to take place before the end of 2007 and will determine whether Kirkuk will remain part of Iraq or it will be considered as a part of the Kurdistan region.

The Kurdish leader also called for Iraqi authorities to change the country's national flag, saying the Kurds had been promised that the existing flag would be replaced once the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown.

www.presstv.ir




eehmmm if he is Iraqi, does that mean bye bye Kurdistan Autonomy? I mean comeone if you are iraqi there is no need of such autonomy....
 
~*Merooona*~ said:
Is this a joke?


I wonder how the kurds are going to react towards him now.
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The Kurds are used to such statments by their leaders. Well the hundres of barzanis dont have problems with that theeir pockets are beeing filled with millions of US $. For the rest hmmm Peshmerga is there so they might just be quite...

Just wondering if the kurdish folk will take that for a longer time or just start killing eachother (like they use to do in normal times)
 
He doesn't mean a word of it, but it's the speech of a smart nationalist.  Kurds - the ones who are more passion than brains - hate it when Barzani and Talabani say this.

Just like when Zowaa never says "Assyrian" Autonomous unit, and repeat "long live Iraq".  They don't mean a word of it.  But they are speaking like smart nationalists.  Assyrians - the ones who are more passion than brain - hate it when Kanna and Bithyou say this.

It's interesting:  when the KDP or PUK "behave" like seasoned politicians, we see them as smart, cautious, and advancing the interest of their own people.

When the ADM literally behaves the same way and says some of the same things, we call them "traitors to nationalism" and sell outs.


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On a completely other note - there are many reasons KRG will not say "autonomy" or independence:  inability to protect themselves at an attack from neighboring countries, unwillingness for the West to allow Iraq to split up, retaliation against Kurds by Iraqis, and the generally dangerous position they put themselves in by using such language.

Why do they push Aghajan to use the language (and also push the other Kurdistani-Assyrians to attack the ADM for not using the word "autonomy")?  Why do they want Assyrians to use rhetoric and chase ideas they don't use or chase publicy?

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On yet another different note - I was chastised months ago by some pro-Aghajanite or another on this forum for calling Beito, Hariri, Hakkiari, and Aghajan "Kurdistani", because I felt it was an appropriate way to describe them.  As we can see from the recent note written by Beito, Harriri, et al., they want to implement the word "Kurdistani" in the draft Constitution to replace "Kurdish", so that it indeed does become the "verb of choice" to describe all people living and all things related to "Kurdistan". 

I guess I just beat them to it??  :giggle:
 
i always hatet when stupid barzani said "we well declare independent when the time is right" (when we get kirkuk) thats why we have not yet get kirkuk
 
kur_16 said:
i always hatet when stupid barzani said "we well declare independent when the time is right" (when we get kirkuk) thats why we have not yet get kirkuk
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See?

:giggle:
 
waleeta said:
He doesn't mean a word of it, but it's the speech of a smart nationalist.  Kurds - the ones who are more passion than brains - hate it when Barzani and Talabani say this.

Just like when Zowaa never says "Assyrian" Autonomous unit, and repeat "long live Iraq".  They don't mean a word of it.  But they are speaking like smart nationalists.  Assyrians - the ones who are more passion than brain - hate it when Kanna and Bithyou say this.

It's interesting:  when the KDP or PUK "behave" like seasoned politicians, we see them as smart, cautious, and advancing the interest of their own people.

When the ADM literally behaves the same way and says some of the same things, we call them "traitors to nationalism" and sell outs.
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I know what you mean. But I get the feeling that Barzani is bullsh1tting when says he doesn't want a Kurdish state, yet I get the feeling that Kanna isn't when he says long live Iraq. Why? Simply because the Kurds have a lot more power in that region. Of course Kanna doesn't mean what he's saying, but he's going to follow through with his statements either way since Zowaa isn't a major player like the Kurds in Iraq. That's the difference.
 
Alucard said:
I know what you mean. But I get the feeling that Barzani is bullsh1tting when says he doesn't want a Kurdish state, yet I get the feeling that Kanna isn't when he says long live Iraq. Why? Simply because the Kurds have a lot more power in that region. Of course Kanna doesn't mean what he's saying, but he's going to follow through with his statements either way since Zowaa isn't a major player like the Kurds in Iraq. That's the difference.
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The first military action of the state of Iraq was a massacre of 3-5000 Assyrians in Simele and the Dohuk region in 1933.  They were welcomed back to Baghdad with a huge military parade.

Yonadim Kanna lost 13 family members in Simele.

I don't want to assume what kanna does or does not really feel about Iraq.

The point is the double standard.  Assyrians just don't have realistic standards.
 
Alucard said:
I know what you mean. But I get the feeling that Barzani is bullsh1tting when says he doesn't want a Kurdish state, yet I get the feeling that Kanna isn't when he says long live Iraq. Why? Simply because the Kurds have a lot more power in that region. Of course Kanna doesn't mean what he's saying, but he's going to follow through with his statements either way since Zowaa isn't a major player like the Kurds in Iraq. That's the difference.
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I aggre with you Alucard,thats true what you are saying, thats I what I thought, wait until Barzani gets what he wants, then will you see if he will declare kurdish state or not, He had fought for this dream before he was born.
 
Aga said:
I aggre with you Alucard,thats true what you are saying, thats I what I thought, wait until Barzani gets what he wants, then will you see if he will declare kurdish state or not, He had fought for this dream before he was born.
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Don't bet on it though, I have the feeling that Kurds in Iraq are going to get crushed pretty good by the Turks, Iranians and the Syrian Arabs (none of them like Kurds).
 
It's so funny that when Turkey was ready to attack, the Kurds started crying to Baghdad 'They are attacking  Iraq'.  But before that, it was Kurdis***.

They want Kurkuk, plain and simple.
 
jonadona said:
It's so funny that when Turkey was ready to attack, the Kurds started crying to Baghdad 'They are attacking  Iraq'.  But before that, it was Kurdis***.

They want Kurkuk, plain and simple.
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lol, what happened to the days when they said "Let them come!"?
 
Alucard said:
Don't bet on it though, I have the feeling that Kurds in Iraq are going to get crushed pretty good by the Turks, Iranians and the Syrian Arabs (none of them like Kurds).
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well in this case i will not agree with you dear alucard, in fact many of you guys thinks that the kurds will be crushed by their enemies, I know you are saying this cuz of the hate you guys have towords kurds but believe me it wont happen, not cuz Iam wishing but this is how sitaution is. they had crushed once at the time but not anymore
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Aga said:
well in this case i will not agree with you dear alucard, in fact many of you guys thinks that the kurds will be crushed by their enemies, I know you are saying this cuz of the hate you guys have towords kurds but believe me it wont happen, not cuz Iam wishing but this is how sitaution is. they had crushed once at the time but not anymore
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What I don't get is why you deny being a Kurd?
 
all I said was that Barzani is taking advantges by saying he wont declare kurdish state, did this make a kurd, waoooo you are brilliant  :blush2: :blush2: :blush2:
 
othur said:
I think people dont realize that yonadam barazani etc... are not nationalists, they are opportunists/tribalists.... It is just barazani has more resources to mask him...
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Of course they're not nationalists. Maybe patriots, but that's not the same thing (nationalism is an ideology). The day I see the both of them cut the bullsh1t, advocate racial separation, banning miscegenation, and advocating the creation of fascist Kurdish and Assyrian states (separately, of course), that'll be the day I call them nationalists. Until then, I will only see them as some sort of patriots in a struggle for land (presumably, for their people).

If they advocate a multiculturalist Iraq for Assyrians, Arabs and Kurds, then they are not nationalists.

othur said:
In my honest opinion, the Assyrian national movement is no longer being run by Assyrian nationalists, hence why it is no longer a national movement...
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Was it ever run by nationalists? Or was it Assyrians who were proud of being Assyrians and called themselves nationalists? In my opinion, the Assyrian movement needs to be radicalised.
 
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