Attiya Gamri marries! Returns to Nineveh to tie the knot

baklawa

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For those of you unfamiliar with her, Attiya Gamri is a Dutch Parlimentarian who has worked tirelessly on behalf of Assyrian causes.  She comes from a very nationalist family (her brother is Dr. Matay Bet-Arsan, another Assyrian activist.)  While I wish her beloved were also of Assyrian origin, it was nice seeing them both wearing joleh d'khomaleh and marrying in our ancient land.

http://www.aina.org/ata/20091104032715.htm

North Iraq (AINA) -- Attiya Gamri Beth Arsan was born in Tur Abdin, Turkey. Like most Assyrians of that region, she and her family emigrated to Europe in the 70s and 80s, settling in the Netherlands. There she went on to become a successful politician, and was elected to the Dutch Provincial Parliament.
Attiya has worked tirelessly to represent her constituents. She has also worked tirelessly for Assyrians in Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey. She has visited North Iraq on several occasions, officially as a member of the Dutch Provincial government and as an individual.

Her last visit to Iraq on October 24 was special and very personal: she got married in Nineveh, the ancient capital of Assyria. The marriage service was held at St. Matay (Matthew) Monastery, a Syriac Orthodox monastery, one of the oldest in the world, founded in 400 A.D. Some of the structures in the monastery are believed to have been built by the Assyrian king Sennacherib, in the 8th century B.C. Attiya and her fianc?, Andre van Andreas, received permission to get married in Nineveh from Bishop Polycarpus of the Netherlands. Andre is an engineer; he studied in The Netherlands and Argentina.

The service was conducted by Bishop Musa from Nineveh, who was very happy to marry the Dutch couple. Four priests, two bishops and many other leaders of the Syriac Orthodox church from the Assyrian villages the Nineveh Plain attended the ceremony.

According to Attiya and Andre, "it was for us an honor to marry in one of the oldest monasteries. We would like for all couples to feel what we have felt in St. Matay. We also wanted to support the Assyrians and encourage them to stay in the Nineveh Plain. Iraq without Assyrians can never been the same -- we hope to make that clear to the groups who want the Assyrians to leave from their homeland."

The wedding reception was attended by guests from the Assyrian community in Nineveh Plains. The manager of the Assyrian Aid Society, Mr. Napoleon, said "I hope many other couples will come and marry in this old and mysterious land, and especially in the Monastery of St. Matay." The Assyrian Aid Society has worked with various Dutch NGO's for the past 15 years.

The St. Matay monastery has received many threats in the past five years. Many Assyrians have left the Nineveh Plains, fleeing to Jordan and Syria, because of a campaign of persecution directed against them. Since 2004, 59 churches have been bombed in Iraq and hundreds of Assyrians have been killed.

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Thanks for posting this Baklawa, and it was so nice to see! Congratulations to them :)

Attiya is one of the greatest Assyrians I have seen! And so is her brother Matay, who got engaged here just last month.

These pictures are amazing. This is one of the best Assyrian stories for 2009!

ASHOOR
 
im so proud of our women! Not just Attiya Assyrian women are underrated especially for putting up with Assyrian men.
This is a true beautiful Assyrian story.
 
But this man is not an Assyrians, I believe he is from Hollland..thats sad, she could marry an  Assyrians instead of a european guy
 
khayaatour said:
But this man is not an Assyrians, I believe he is from Hollland..thats sad, she could marry an  Assyrians instead of a european guy

Or she could marry someone she loves and we shouldn't say sh*t about it.  There's nothing sad about it.  Obviously he must care enough to get dressed in traditional Assyrian clothes and go to Iraq to get married in one of our oldest monasteries in our ancient capital.

I wish them nothing but the best and I thank her for all her hard work.  Those pictures are wonderful.
 
jacob said:
Or she could marry someone she loves and we shouldn't say sh*t about it.  There's nothing sad about it.  Obviously he must care enough to get dressed in traditional Assyrian clothes and go to Iraq to get married in one of our oldest monasteries in our ancient capital.

I wish them nothing but the best and I thank her for all her hard work.  Those pictures are wonderful.

well he does, he is working for Assyrian?s in Iraq, Iam not against their marraige, but the problem is if our people marrying other people than our own people, will affect us by not learning their children our own language. I have relatives here in Sweden married to Swedish people and their children doesn+t speak our language...
 
khayaatour said:
well he does, he is working for Assyrian?s in Iraq, Iam not against their marraige, but the problem is if our people marrying other people than our own people, will affect us by not learning their children our own language. I have relatives here in Sweden married to Swedish people and their children doesn+t speak our language...

Marrying a non-Assyrian does not make you or your kids any less Assyrian.  Not everyone is the same. 
 
khayaatour said:
well he does, he is working for Assyrian?s in Iraq, Iam not against their marraige, but the problem is if our people marrying other people than our own people, will affect us by not learning their children our own language. I have relatives here in Sweden married to Swedish people and their children doesn+t speak our language...

She lives in the Netherlands, yet she's getting married in the ancient capital of Assyria, at a Assyrian monastery while she is wearing traditional Assyrian clothing, do you really think her children won't speak the language?
 
davidb said:
She lives in the Netherlands, yet she's getting married in the ancient capital of Assyria, at a Assyrian monastery while she is wearing traditional Assyrian clothing, do you really think her children won't speak the language?

:yourock:
 
davidb said:
She lives in the Netherlands, yet she's getting married in the ancient capital of Assyria, at a Assyrian monastery while she is wearing traditional Assyrian clothing, do you really think her children won't speak the language?

well, thats very nice that she gets married in Atra but if she doesnt stay in Atra believe me, her children won?t learn our language casue that what my cousin said...
 
khayaatour said:
well, thats very nice that she gets married in Atra but if she doesnt stay in Atra believe me, her children won?t learn our language casue that what my cousin said...


Oh, should of said so..
 
khayaatour said:
well he does, he is working for Assyrian?s in Iraq, Iam not against their marraige, but the problem is if our people marrying other people than our own people, will affect us by not learning their children our own language. I have relatives here in Sweden married to Swedish people and their children doesn+t speak our language...

I am with you, ahuno.
But I think we are not able now to decide whether it?s bad or good.

We can see it after a few years.
If her husband learn and speak our language, teach these things with Attia to their children and cares about our culture than it?s good.

But sadly this doesn?t happen in the most mix-marriages.
 
John_86 said:
I am with you, ahuno.
But I think we are not able now to decide whether it?s bad or good.

We can see it after a few years.
If her husband learn and speak our language, teach these things with Attia to their children and cares about our culture than it?s good.

But sadly this doesn?t happen in the most mix-marriages.

yeeah you right, thats what Iam trying to tell these people, I have some relatives, their wives or their husbands can?t our language which had affacted their children as well, They do say that they are Assyrians but they doesnt speak our language, which sooner or later we will lost them maybe not them but their children...
 
And the language is one of the most important things which makes the people feeling to belong to eatch nation.
There are just very few exceptions where the language doesn´t have an affect.

Than all these things like marrying in Athro, wearing traditional clothes and so on are useless in the end.
 
Oh please shut up! I know her very well. One of the best people I know in my life. The whole family actually. Proud Assyrians.
And why judge people just because they marry a non-Assyrian? I know for 100% she will learn her kids Assyrian and everything more and they will be more Assyrian then some of the people on this forum and the Assyrian people I know in real life.

And who could she get marry with? Do you know Assyrians guys who will marry her,  looking at her background? No. Do you think it is easy to find an descent Assyrian men her age? No... Don't you think SHE would love to have an Assyrian men?

You don't know her so stop talking like if you know her or THINK you know her. You don't.
 
I know a good family friend that is marrying a white girl. Their daughter doesn't speak a word of English (she's not yet old enough to be enrolled in school). She speaks fluent Assyrian with everyone. And that's how her mom likes it. She loves that her daughter knows Assyrian and she's picked up some of it, too, to talk to her daughter.

Just because they're mixed doesn't mean the kids won't learn the language.

Plus, who are we to use that as an excuse against interracial marriage when half of the 100% Assyrians I know don't even know Assyrian besides the curse words?
 
Language is not the defining factor in what makes us Assyrian.  Nearly 100% of today's Assyrians don't speak the same language as that of our Assyrian ancestors.  Are we upset about that today?  Should we have cursed those that adopted the lingua franca of their time?  Teach your children to be proud of their culture and their heritage and to pass on traditions and a knowledge of what it is to be Assyrian.  That is how you can preserve our culture.  In a couple thousand years the entire planet could be speaking English or Chinese or be telepathic for all we know, but if we teach our history to the next generation, be they of mixed marriage or not, then Assyrian people and the Assyrian culture and tradition will remain regardless of what form of communication is used.
 
GodismyJudge said:
Oh please shut up! I know her very well. One of the best people I know in my life. The whole family actually. Proud Assyrians.
And why judge people just because they marry a non-Assyrian? I know for 100% she will learn her kids Assyrian and everything more and they will be more Assyrian then some of the people on this forum and the Assyrian people I know in real life.

And who could she get marry with? Do you know Assyrians guys who will marry her,  looking at her background? No. Do you think it is easy to find an descent Assyrian men her age? No... Don't you think SHE would love to have an Assyrian men?

You don't know her so stop talking like if you know her or THINK you know her. You don't.

I'm sure they would rather she stay single for them. First and foremost she is a woman and she is in love and i'm sure she wants to start a family. Why do we  have to be so nosy and interfere in every body's lives?? WHY??
 
hey guys, keep cool. Before being angry about my comments, read them again and think about it.
I mentioned nothing which is against your view.

@Ashuriena
look what I wrote about exceptions ...

@ jacob
I didn?t meant especially THE Assyrian language. I spoke in general. We are the only people which speak this language and this is one (sure, not all) of the strong criteria which makes the speaker of this language feeling to belong to our people.
The rest of your comment is in conform to my comment.
 
Congratulations to them, beautiful pictures! Such love he must have for her to wear jooleh d'khoomala. Because, um, they are not khoomlaneh at all! It is a pain to wear them; I can imagine for the guys it is, too, so yes, it must be love!

My cousin, an Assyrian who has only been living here for five or so years, married another Assyrian, who also hasn't been here very long, and they have two children who do NOT speak Assyrian. They understand it, but every word out of their mouths is in English. It's disappointing, but despite the fact that their parents are full-blooded Assyrians who weren't even born here, these children will most definitely grow up not knowing Assyrian (I think even at their very young ages it is too late to make them fluent because there is a lack of interest in doing so). I know this will happen to them because I've already seen it with older cousins in the same situation (both parents are Assyrian, not born here, speak fluent Assyrian themselves, but didn't encourage their kids to do so). I jokingly quizzed my then seventeen-year-old cousin on how to say apple in Assyrian and he honestly didn't know. SAD!!!

Other relatives of mine have married "nikhrayeh" and their kids speak better Assyrian than many of my relatives born from both Assyrian parents. We can give opposite and countless examples that counter the ones given on how marrying a non-Assyrian leads to not speaking the language. In the end, it all depends on how motivated the parents are to teach and keep them speaking the language. My parents were incredibly motivated, which is the only reason we can speak, read, and write Assyrian today. "Hamzim Soored!!!" It was always being said in our house, always, even to this day. It takes a huge commitment, but if you love the language, it doesn't matter who you marry, you will pass the leeshana down to your children. If you don't, it doesn't matter how Assyrian your "blood" is, your kids won't know it. I have no doubt that Attiya's children, if she chooses to have them, will speak Assyrian fluently and beautifully.
 
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