Assyrians referring to themselves as "Assyrians" before the 1800's in Syriac

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SonOfAssyria

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Does anyone here have any writings or something which has Assyrians referring to themselves as "Assyrians" (as in Atouraye/Othuroye, Ashuraye/Ashuroye, Suraye/Suryoye) in Syriac?

A common argument that I've seen from these Aramean supremacists is "you did not call yourselves Assyrians before the 1800's"

Obviously, that is not true, but despite all the evidence they are shown, they dismiss it and say something like "you can't show us any evidence of you referring to yourselves as Assyrians in your own language pre-1800's, you are all brainwashed by Europeans and the British" etc.

If anyone can provide some evidence in Syriac where Assyrians refer to themselves as "Assyrians", I'll be much appreciative. These "Arameans" make me furious
 
SonOfAssyria said:
I've seen that thread before and it has some very good sources, however I'm looking for something in Syriac
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In Syriac? Assyria as a province was dissolved since the 600s A.D.
After that, Assyrians referred to themselves "Shorayeh" and "Sorayeh/Surayeh" which is the same word which refers to Assyria.
 
mrzurnaci said:
In Syriac? Assyria as a province was dissolved since the 600s A.D.
After that, Assyrians referred to themselves "Shorayeh" and "Sorayeh/Surayeh" which is the same word which refers to Assyria.
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I understand that, but what I'm trying to find is some sort of Syriac writing that says something like "We are the descendants of the Assyrians" that is before the 1800's. Every Aramean I've argued with has asked me to show them this evidence
 
SonOfAssyria said:
I understand that, but what I'm trying to find is some sort of Syriac writing that says something like "We are the descendants of the Assyrians" that is before the 1800's. Every Aramean I've argued with has asked me to show them this evidence
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How far before the 1800s?
 
SonOfAssyria said:
Something not too close to 1800s but far enough so that it's actually somewhat provoking to these Arameanists.
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well I guess the amount of Assyrianists from the Syriac Orthodox Church isn't enough to convince them lol?
So something before the 1800s AND written in Sureth?
 
mrzurnaci said:
well I guess the amount of Assyrianists from the Syriac Orthodox Church isn't enough to convince them lol?
So something before the 1800s AND written in Sureth?
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Yes lol, needs to fall under those specific requirements. Apparently we Assyrians "don't have proof of being Assyrian in our own language unlike the Arameans" lol
 
SonOfAssyria said:
Yes lol, needs to fall under those specific requirements. Apparently we Assyrians "don't have proof of being Assyrian in our own language unlike the Arameans" lol
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and what proof do the Arameanists have? All their writings are in Syriac which is proof enough that they're Assyrian... ancient and medieval Arameans didn't speak Syriac except as a secondary dialect. Arameans had their own native Aramaic dialect.

this is modern, Aramean-native Aramaic...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Neo-Aramaic

Hello / Peace ?loma
Altar server ?ammosa
Morning Sofra
Mountain ?ura
Water Moya
My mother Emmay
God Alo / Iloha
Sun ?im?a
Mouth Femma
Head Ray?a
Village Qr??a
I swear B'sliba
Nice Halya
Here / here it is H??a / H??a hu
Liar Daklona
After Bo?ar min
Son Ebra
Brother / brothers ??na / ?uno
Donkey Hmora
Tongue / language Li??na
Money Kir?o
Nation Om?a
Year E?na
Moon Sahra
King Malka
Earth Ar'a
Dove Yawna
Long live! Tschihi!
Grave Qabra
Uncle Hola
Father Obu
Way Tarba
Ocean Yamma
Congratulations! Bri?a!
Syriac (Aramean) / Syriacs (Arameans) Suray / Suroy
Sky ?moya
Who? M?n?
Aunt Hol?a
Love Rhmo?a
Kiss No?k?a
How are you? E? ??b? (m) / E? ??ba? (f)
Fast Sauma
Human Barn??a
Holy spirit Ru?a qud?o
Poison Samma
Sword Seyfa
Bone Germa
Blood Edma
Half Felka
Skin Gelta
Hunger H?afna
Stone / rock H?efa
Vineyard H?arma
Back Hassa
Goat Ezza
Lip Sefta
Chin / beard Dekna
Tooth / crag ?enna
Past Zibn?
Queen Malk?a
The little man ?abr?na z'ora
Peace to all of you ?loma lkhulkhun
Who is this? M?n hanna? (m) / M?n hod? (f)
I am Aramean and my language is Aramaic. Ana suray w li?oni siryon.
We are Arameans and our language is Aramaic. Ana? suroy w li?onah siryon.
Church Klesya (Greek loanword)
What's your name? (m) Mo o?makh? (m)
Dream Helma
Assyrian / Assyrians Aturay / Aturoy
Old man Soba
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mrzurnaci said:
and what proof do the Arameanists have? All their writings are in Syriac which is proof enough that they're Assyrian... ancient and medieval Arameans didn't speak Syriac except as a secondary dialect. Arameans had their own native Aramaic dialect.

this is modern, Aramean-native Aramaic...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Neo-Aramaic
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Western Neo-Aramaic sounds a lot like our ANA dialect. Even Turoyo doesn't come as close.
 
Cascade said:
What irony?
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I'm probably using irony incorrect but I'm saying it's ironic how Western Neo-Aramaic seems more like Assyrian but the Arameanist Turoyo speakers claim they're Aramean.
 
mrzurnaci said:
I'm probably using irony incorrect but I'm saying it's ironic how Western Neo-Aramaic seems more like Assyrian but the Arameanist Turoyo speakers claim they're Aramean.
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Isn't that a good thing? Because I did say Western Neo-Aramaic sounds like our language the most. That makes Turoyo speakers the odd ones out in the Assyrian family.
 
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