Assyrian Muslim flag

mrzurnaci

mrzurnaci

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I was searching up Assyrian flags on the internet and I found this flag under "Assyrian Muslims" and in the caption it says "the Assyrian nation is a nation of Christian Syriac speaking people, however 1% have converted to Islam." So, if we add Assyrians, Maronites, and Arameans, we get 8 million, 1% of 8 million is 80,000, and this is the flag that they designed, it's very strange and seems Kurdish influenced if you ask me, hence the Yellow, Green, and Red combination.


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davidb said:
More like about 15,000-20,000. Wikipedia doesn't know that you count Maronites as Assyrians.
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that's strange, I thought they were going to add them as Assyrians, I mean, I just had a discussion about it, but then again, I told them we should add whoever thinks they are Syriac or Assyrian.
 
mrzurnaci said:
that's strange, I thought they were going to add them as Assyrians, I mean, I just had a discussion about it, but then again, I told them we should add whoever thinks they are Syriac or Assyrian.
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Me and a friend are going to re-write the whole Assyrian article with academical sources and the Maronites will partly be included. In the next two months you shall see our work which I believe most of you will like :)
 
You people trying to claim Maronites as Assyrians only further proves the point of the Chaldean/Syriacs that we try to Assyrianize everything.

Maronites are not Assyrians. Yes the Maronite Church is a Syriac Church, yes they once upon a time spoke Syriac, that doesn't make them Assyrian. By this judgment, you can claim Arab Iraqis as Assyrians as well, maybe even Syrian Arabs.
 
There was already a topic about Muslim Assyrians. But I can not find it. Can someone of You find it?
 
davidb said:
You people trying to claim Maronites as Assyrians only further proves the point of the Chaldean/Syriacs that we try to Assyrianize everything.

Maronites are not Assyrians. Yes the Maronite Church is a Syriac Church, yes they once upon a time spoke Syriac, that doesn't make them Assyrian. By this judgment, you can claim Arab Iraqis as Assyrians as well, maybe even Syrian Arabs.
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The goal of the Assyrian nation is to unite all Assyrians. We do not claim Melkites as Assyrians, do you wonder why that is? The Melkites do not have a direct connection to our nation and do not even consider Assyrian Aramaic as their original language, the Maronites on the other hand consider Assyrian Aramaic to be their original language and are doing everything in their power to develope relations to other Assyrian sects. They even tried to have Syriac as a official language back in the days but the Arabs resisted.

Many Maronites as Chamille Chamoun (president) and Khalil Gibran have even claimed an Assyrian ancestry of the Maronites. I myself know a bunch, including about 4 in Lebanon who longs for an Assyrian nation to be established in Lebanon which will unite our different sects.
 
This is the flag of Turkey with the yellow bit added to it, I guess they want to push their kurds out to iraq, and they gave them this flag so then they can claim that iraq belongs to turkey since turkey has always had their eyes on northern iraq.
 
Ninveh said:
This is the flag of Turkey with the yellow bit added to it, I guess they want to push their kurds out to iraq, and they gave them this flag so then they can claim that iraq belongs to turkey since turkey has always had their eyes on northern iraq.
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huh..? they gave who this flag?
 
Hanuni said:
Me and a friend are going to re-write the whole Assyrian article with academical sources and the Maronites will partly be included. In the next two months you shall see our work which I believe most of you will like :)
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This is big mistake you and your friends are doing! first of all you guys are not any scholor=reseracher and this will maybe affect some of our umta to believe that they belong to Assyrians but when they find out and when they meet maroinites they will find out that we have liars researcher and next time our nation wont have any face on our history or resercher...be carefull with what you are doing...

you tell me that they are Assyrians, but they dont considering themselves as Assyrians and they dont even speack Assyrian or Syriac,syriani...so you guys are waisting your time. try do something sensiable like helping our umta in Nineveh Plain..
 
This flag was created by Mhallmoye I think, western Assyrians who converted to Islam a long time ago. They are nowadays probably mixed out with Kurds and Arabs I heard.
 
khayaatour said:
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This is big mistake you and your friends are doing! first of all you guys are not any scholor=reseracher and this will maybe affect some of our umta to believe that they belong to Assyrians but when they find out and when they meet maroinites they will find out that we have liars researcher and next time our nation wont have any face on our history or resercher...be carefull with what you are doing...

you tell me that they are Assyrians, but they dont considering themselves as Assyrians and they dont even speack Assyrian or Syriac,syriani...so you guys are waisting your time. try do something sensiable like helping our umta in Nineveh Plain..
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If you did not care to read, I said that the article would be written with support from scholar sources.

And many Maronites do see themselves as Assyrians and originally they are Assyrians which their Patriarch issued with this meeting with the ACOE patriarch. I myself know a bunch of them who are true Assyrians. But we will not focus too much on them, most important thing now is autonomy.
 
Hanuni said:
If you did not care to read, I said that the article would be written with support from scholar sources.

And many Maronites do see themselves as Assyrians and originally they are Assyrians which their Patriarch issued with this meeting with the ACOE patriarch. I myself know a bunch of them who are true Assyrians. But we will not focus too much on them, most important thing now is autonomy.
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From what Scholar sources? dont you think you are exaggarating, everyone can find some scholar sources and try to make something of it, like what qurdaye are doing in Iraq.  A few persons of Maroinites seeing them as Assyrians doesnt mean they are Assyrians, and beleive me you will never success with these project..
 
khayaatour said:
From what Scholar sources? dont you think you are exaggarating, everyone can find some scholar sources and try to make something of it, like what qurdaye are doing in Iraq.  A few persons of Maroinites seeing them as Assyrians doesnt mean they are Assyrians, and beleive me you will never success with these project..
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First when we get rid of people like you we will succeed. And that time shall come.

Scholar sources are not allowed to be used how ever you want on Wiki, there are certain rules when writing an article. Maronites are just as Assyrian as you and I am. It is just that they have been arabized too much, many of whom are though slowly returning back to their roots.
 
Hanuni said:
First when we get rid of people like you we will succeed. And that time shall come.

Scholar sources are not allowed to be used how ever you want on Wiki, there are certain rules when writing an article. Maronites are just as Assyrian as you and I am. It is just that they have been arabized too much, many of whom are though slowly returning back to their roots.
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Huani you claim alot of people are assyrian, including ezidis....
 
assyria12 said:
Huani you claim alot of people are assyrian, including ezidis....
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I only claim Assyrian ancestry of those who are Assyrians. Yezidis are seen as a distinct ethnic group, however claims of Yezidis by both Kurdish and Assyrian nationalists are obvious, and they are in culture more Assyrian Mesopotamian than Kurdish Indo-Iranian.
The Assyrian Origin of the Izedis or Yezidis-the So-Called "Devil Worshippers", by W. Francis Ainsworth  ? 1861

The Assyrian people is made up by different sects, I do not count Yezidis as one of those sects, however they could be seen as one of our sects.
 
Hanuni said:
I only claim Assyrian ancestry of those who are Assyrians. Yezidis are seen as a distinct ethnic group, however claims of Yezidis by both Kurdish and Assyrian nationalists are obvious, and they are in culture more Assyrian Mesopotamian than Kurdish Indo-Iranian.
The Assyrian Origin of the Izedis or Yezidis-the So-Called "Devil Worshippers", by W. Francis Ainsworth  ? 1861

The Assyrian people is made up by different sects, I do not count Yezidis as one of those sects, however they could be seen as one of our sects.
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Listen to yourself man, yezidi is a close religion to the anceint persian one also close the indians, indo-aryans to be presice.. also don't forget all kurds were yezidis before islam, based on your logic all kurds are assyrian? listen to yourslef man
 
assyria12 said:
Listen to yourself man, yezidi is a close religion to the anceint persian one also close the indians, indo-aryans to be presice.. also don't forget all kurds were yezidis before islam, based on your logic all kurds are assyrian? listen to yourslef man
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That you are stating that all Kurds were Yezidis before Islam is a claim you will need to backup as there is no such belief established.

All Kurds are Assyrians? When did I say that? Get your facts right before you talk.

Yezidis are closer to Assyrians in culture than Kurds and this is a fact, read that book if you disagree.
 
Hanuni said:
That you are stating that all Kurds were Yezidis before Islam is a claim you will need to backup as there is no such belief established.

All Kurds are Assyrians? When did I say that? Get your facts right before you talk.

Yezidis are closer to Assyrians in culture than Kurds and this is a fact, read that book if you disagree.
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Anyone with any comment sence would tell you that, now adays you could find a book about just about anything, there are books claiming assyrians don't exict anymore, does that mean its true?

I dont need to read any books to know that, ezidis are indo-european and you can see that clearly.. realy? so whats the difrence between kurdish and assyrian culture? don't we dress similar? dance similar? eat similar? you can be a nationalist thats fine, but now your just being ignorant.. its a fact that all kurds were ezidis before islam, a religion similar to that of the ancient persians, ezidi is similar to hindo some believe.. you know INDO-aryans.. like I said, if you consider ezidis as assyrian, then by that logic "ex-ezidi" kurds as they were, were also assyrian.
 
assyria12 said:
Anyone with any comment sence would tell you that, now adays you could find a book about just about anything, there are books claiming assyrians don't exict anymore, does that mean its true?

I dont need to read any books to know that, ezidis are indo-european and you can see that clearly.. realy? so whats the difrence between kurdish and assyrian culture? don't we dress similar? dance similar? eat similar? you can be a nationalist thats fine, but now your just being ignorant.. its a fact that all kurds were ezidis before islam, a religion similar to that of the ancient persians, ezidi is similar to hindo some believe.. you know INDO-aryans.. like I said, if you consider ezidis as assyrian, then by that logic "ex-ezidi" kurds as they were, were also assyrian.
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This book is not any book, it was written over hundreds of years ago, when nationalism did not exist in such huge amounts as today among Middle Eastern communities. Learn to differentiate between actual works and pseudo-works.

Yezidis are still a distinct ethno-religious group whether you want it or not, and claiming that all modern day Kurds were Yezidi before the rise of Islam is itself ignorant.
 
Hanuni said:
This book is not any book, it was written over hundreds of years ago, when nationalism did not exist in such huge amounts as today among Middle Eastern communities. Learn to differentiate between actual works and pseudo-works.

Yezidis are still a distinct ethno-religious group whether you want it or not, and claiming that all modern day Kurds were Yezidi before the rise of Islam is itself ignorant.
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I know the diffrence, Im not sure a hardcore nationalist does though.

So, what were kurds then? and why do ezidis speak kurdish, and their books written in kurdish? all the facts are againts you, I could find 100's of links stating kurds were ezidi before, but it would useless becuase you wont accept them.

 
I have Maronite friends that didn't even know what an Assyrian was until they met me :/ So I don't think all of them know what their roots are although I do believe they are originally Assyrians that got Arabized. That's great if some of them recognise their roots but to be honest in general I don't think they care that much from the impression I get...
 
assyria12 said:
I know the diffrence, Im not sure a hardcore nationalist does though.

So, what were kurds then? and why do ezidis speak kurdish, and their books written in kurdish? all the facts are againts you, I could find 100's of links stating kurds were ezidi before, but it would useless becuase you wont accept them.
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Start with reading that book before using terms you do not comprehend and applying them to people who do not literally fit into them.

Modern day Kurds belonged to Christanity, Zoroastrianism and Yezidism as the Kurds of those days were not as authentic as today, the term Kurd was not even an ethnic term in those days and there was no Kurdish language. The formation of the Kurdish group came along with the unity of several of Indo-Iranian tribes located in upper Mesopotamia.

Why do Yezidi speak Kurdish? Why do hundreds of thousands of Assyrians speak Arabic and Kurdish? Why do hundreds of thousands of Assyrians use a Arabic Bible instead of a Syriac Bible?

I could find 100 links stating you're not an Assyrian but a pseudo-Assyrian, would you accept that?
 
Start with reading that book before using terms you do not comprehend and applying them to people who do not literally fit into them.
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This issue is not important enough for me to read a book about it.

Modern day Kurds belonged to Christanity, Zoroastrianism and Yezidism as the Kurds of those days were not as authentic as today, the term Kurd was not even an ethnic term in those days and there was no Kurdish language. The formation of the Kurdish group came along with the unity of several of Indo-Iranian tribes located in upper Mesopotamia.
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More or less, I think that kurds did exict, but other tribes that were related to them eventualy juined them, and not all of the tribes were indo-european...

Why do Yezidi speak Kurdish? Why do hundreds of thousands of Assyrians speak Arabic and Kurdish? Why do hundreds of thousands of Assyrians use a Arabic Bible instead of a Syriac Bible?
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Right, but assyrians speak our language, and then kurdish or arabic, where as ezidis speak kurdish as their mother tunge.

I could find 100 links stating you're not an Assyrian but a pseudo-Assyrian, would you accept that?
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Wait isnt that what I said to you?
 
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