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Accept a kurdish country

Cascade

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Ezidi Kurd said:
I'm tired of this sh*t. No matter what, you will deny everything.


proto-Sumerian Ubaid people lived 9000 years ago. Nobody knows what kind of language they spoke. It could be proto- , proto-, something. Iranian languages are 6000 years old. So, there is a gap between Ubaid language and Iranian language of 3000 years. There is a lot of time and space that Iranian language evolved from the same race of people who belonged to the Ubaid culture.

Ubaid culture = 9000 years old
Iranians = 6000 years old

there was 3000 years of time that language spoken by people like those from Ubaid ovelved into the Iranian language.

Iranian language has an ERGATIVE construction in it. Ergativity in proto-Iranian language was inherited from the Ubaid-kind of people.


Semitic doesn't have any ergativity.


Mitanni & Kassites were, like Medes, the Umman Manda people. All their leaders had Iranian names. Here some info about the Kassites: http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/ranghaya/kassites.htm


It is a fact that Ezdi Kurds are native to Shengal Mountains and have been living there for thousands of years. And it seems that the Shengal Mountains were also the URHEIMANT of the proto-Sumerian Ubaid people.


It has been proven that the Semites are not native to the Northern Mesopotamia, they have NOTHING to do with Ubaid culture. Akkadians, Arameans, Arabs etc. came from the south. The only people who ar native to the NORHTERN Mesopotamia are (Ezdi) Kurds...


Ubaid Sumerians = Ezdi Kurds
Ergativity is scattered, but scarcely, throughout the world languages, from Basque and Caucasian languages to Native American and Aboriginal Australian languages. Are Sumerians now related to Basque and American Indians? Yet again you're confusing languages with culture or race. Plus, Kurdish and Pashto are the only IE languages that have such feature. 99% of IE languages don't have ergativity, including the proto IE language. So much for being "proto Indo-Europeans", huh?

Yazidi Kurds have nothing to do with Sumerians FFS. You guys are from upper Mesopotamia and originate from the Iranian plateau. You even said this, for the love of god! Stop contradicting yourself. How could you from the north when you say you're also from the south? Are you punking us?

"Semites" consist of Saudi Arabians, Yemenis to the south, and Assyrians and Phoenicians to the north. You know very well that Assyrians and Yemenis don't lookalike. Stop being so ignorant by ignoring that the term "Semites" includes different races of people. By your logic, Assyrians are related to Somalians because they both speak an Afro-Asiatic language.  :blink:

I'm sorry, but no, we are native to Mesopotamia. No, Arabs and other "Semites" are not. But we are. You guys come from the west. Stop brazenly spouting such BS. Oh and nobody is saying that we have anything to do with Ubaid culture. Who said Assyrians claim them as well?

Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergative%E2%80%93absolutive_language

P.S. Is this user from 2006 also you? He's also hilariously obsessed with the terms "Semites" and "Aryans". He's obviously not an Assyrian anyway.

http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=421
 

KingA

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I dont know how a simple question like " Should we accept a kurdish country" can go to "Aryan pure race, Semetic, Babylon origin, Summerian etc .
Is that really relevant to today's politics and the situation in the Middle East? Let us rather focus on the real parameters which effects the situation NOW.

Back to the topic, we should help the Kurds and others to have their own countries, BUT we have to make deal with them to get real support back from them to our own case. I do believe if we have wise learders, we can acheive something peacefully with our neighbours (Arabs and Kurds). With hate and rasicm toward each others, no one gains a peaceful country. It does not mean we have to forget the history, but we have to move on..
 

nejepnerast

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I failed to understand the obsession with the history which frankly have very little to do with our current situation and most of history is fabricated lies anyway  . Kurds are not from so called current Northern Iraq ? , even if they are not , So what ?
Turks are not from Turkey too , Whites are not from north American too , Arabs are migrants too in majority of the African , Mediterranean Arab countries . How is citing history changes anything ?

People need to deal with reality as it is , not as it was . Forget the past , because the only way to go forward is is to build communities , cities and a country of everyone .
 

mrzurnaci

Active member
nejepnerast said:
I failed to understand the obsession with the history which frankly have very little to do with our current situation and most of history is fabricated lies anyway  . Kurds are not from so called current Northern Iraq ? , even if they are not , So what ?
Turks are not from Turkey too , Whites are not from north American too , Arabs are migrants too in majority of the African , Mediterranean Arab countries . How is citing history changes anything ?

People need to deal with reality as it is , not as it was . Forget the past , because the only way to go forward is is to build communities , cities and a country of everyone .

The point this was brought up is...

Ezidi brought up that Yezidis and Kurds in general originated in Northern Iraq despite all evidence that says completely different.

I'm already aware that it is those with military power in a specific territory that owns the land BUT you have to give history where its credit is due.

As Assyrians, whether or not we own any of our former homeland, we still originated from it.


If I went on a Kurdish forum and asked "are Assyrians native to Northern Iraq?" How many would say no and say yes?

Those who would say no would be denying our history and identity. They wouldn't really realize it but denying the Assyrian history of the region is no different to Turkey denying Kurdish and Armenian history.

The Persian Empires controlled the Assyrian homeland for hundreds of years but they never said that Mesopotamia was their homeland even though they controlled and owned it.

History is not fabricated lies, we have stuff called records and we investigate and do stuff like archeology with them. There's a good reason why we have historians and history books, whether biased or not. There's alot of historical material that gives perspectives on many events.

How about the first Kurdish known historian, Sharafkhan Bitlisi? He wrote about how Kurds helped serve Turks and the Turks rewarded Kurds by giving them our old land. Why? Because we don't worship an Arabian lying thief named Muhammad who passed himself off as a prophet.

Ultimately, our hate is not because you're Kurds but because you're Muslims and you will probably continue to act as Muslims in the future...
 

nejepnerast

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mrzurnaci said:
The point this was brought up is...

Ezidi brought up that Yezidis and Kurds in general originated in Northern Iraq despite all evidence that says completely different.
Ezidi kurd is spamming the site and everything she says is divisive, controversial , racist , insulting and embarrassing even for kurds . 

mrzurnaci said:
I'm already aware that it is those with military power in a specific territory that owns the land BUT you have to give history where its credit is due.
As Assyrians, whether or not we own any of our former homeland, we still originated from it.
I hope you do not get offended , but all our ancestors were (in my view ) were blood thirsty assholes who killed , destroyed and raped anyone that was different to built the empires that some are so proud of .

mrzurnaci said:
If I went on a Kurdish forum and asked "are Assyrians native to Northern Iraq?" How many would say no and say yes?
Those who would say no would be denying our history and identity. They wouldn't really realize it but denying the Assyrian history of the region is no different to Turkey denying Kurdish and Armenian history.

In the same token Assyrian deny kurdish history too and most Assyrian would not even say the word Kurdistan . Why would you expect a positive reaction from kurds when your action is negative towards them ?
Were kurds nice to Assyrian historically ? Certainly not and they massacred the hell out of them during the fall of Assyrian empire . Were the Assyrian nice to kurds , certainly not and they massacred the hell out of them until the alliance formed between the Babylonian and medes . The same thing happened in the modern history with tragedies on both sides , So until when ? 

mrzurnaci said:
The Persian Empires controlled the Assyrian homeland for hundreds of years but they never said that Mesopotamia was their homeland even though they controlled and owned it.
So your point is Persian were nice , loving peaceful people who killed hundreds of thousands of Assyrians , enslaved an entire nation for hundred of years , but heyyyyyyyy at least they did not say it was their homeland . This is your argument ? By the way many would disagree with your assessment and good luck trying to convince them .

mrzurnaci said:
History is not fabricated lies, we have stuff called records and we investigate and do stuff like archeology with them. There's a good reason why we have historians and history books, whether biased or not. There's a lot of historical material that gives perspectives on many events.

fine , let us have history for lunch and see how is that going to help anyone .

mrzurnaci said:
How about the first Kurdish known historian, Sharafkhan Bitlisi? He wrote about how Kurds helped serve Turks and the Turks rewarded Kurds by giving them our old land. Why? Because we don't worship an Arabian lying thief named Muhammad who passed himself off as a prophet.

No one is denying that , certainly not me . The only difference between Assyrian and kurds at that time was that Kurd chose the right side . Assyrian sided with English and later abandoned by the English . If Turks had lost the war the argument would have been reversed now right ? you see how meaningless history is ?

mrzurnaci said:
Ultimately, our hate is not because you're Kurds but because you're Muslims and you will probably continue to act as Muslims in the future...
To demand that kurds meet the standard that you have set for them your head is A No Go .You need to change the way you think , but there is hope . At least you do not hate None mulsim kurds :)
 

mrzurnaci

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nejepnerast said:
I hope you do not get offended , but all our ancestors were (in my view ) were blood thirsty assholes who killed , destroyed and raped anyone that was different to built the empires that some are so proud of .

you mean primitive? The idea of human rights was still a fetus that these points.

nejepnerast said:
In the same token Assyrian deny kurdish history too and most Assyrian would not even say the word Kurdistan . Why would you expect a positive reaction from kurds when your action is negative towards them ?

That's a fair assessment but we have immeasurable amounts of evidence of our past: steles, cuneiform writings, buried palaces, skeletons.

When I did my research into Kurdish history, the furthest I found Kurdish history starts at is during the reign of Ardashir of the Sassanids but the Sassanid Persians (as well as later Muslim Arabs) used the name "Kurd" as a social class rather than an identity. I then find out in the 900s and 1000s AD, during the reign of Terror known as Islam, that Kurds appear in Arabic and Syriac sources but those sources used 'Kurd' as a name for various nomadic Iranian tribes. Is that where Kurdish history starts or later?

Basically, it's difficult defining history when you don't relatively know where it starts. I can probably safely say alot of social class Kurds became ethnic Kurds but I have no source on that. :/

Assyrians will deny Kurdish history, Kurds will deny Assyrian history, Arabs and Turks will deny both. It's called Middle East BSing, it stems from a lack of quality education, funding, and is full of Muslamic influence :)


nejepnerast said:
Were kurds nice to Assyrian historically ? Certainly not and they massacred the hell out of them during the fall of Assyrian empire . Were the Assyrian nice to kurds , certainly not and they massacred the hell out of them until the alliance formed between the Babylonian and medes . The same thing happened in the modern history with tragedies on both sides , So until when ?

Kurds didn't exist during the time of the Medes though. Assyrians and Assyrian kings wrote about the Medes and they did not mention a Kurdish people.
Secondly, Medes were nomadic and primitive. I've never heard of ancient nomadic people being advanced. Even the nomads Romans faced weren't advanced.
Even though Medes helped destroy the ancient Assyrian empire, they still learned about the civilization, especially from the help of the Akkadian-Babylonians. Mission accomplished?

nejepnerast said:
So your point is Persian were nice , loving peaceful people who killed hundreds of thousands of Assyrians , enslaved an entire nation for hundred of years , but heyyyyyyyy at least they did not say it was their homeland . This is your argument ? By the way many would disagree with your assessment and good luck trying to convince them .

Did I say Persians were nice? If Persians were nice then the Romans/Byzantines would've beaten them long ago and you and me would probably be speaking Latin or Greek :)

Persians did not actually practice much Slavery. Slavery under the Persian empires was temporary, it wasn't for life and it didn't pass onto your children. Secondly, the Persians allowed everyone to live as they want as long as taxes were paid.

Persians didn't really start becoming bad until we converted to Christianity and the Zoroastrian Persian kings were persecuting us under the suspicion that we were likely Roman spies since Romans were mostly becoming Christian even though we became Christianized alot earlier than Romans. Similar to how modern Muslims think we're spying for the West or other stupid conspiracy bullcrap.

nejepnerast said:
fine , let us have history for lunch and see how is that going to help anyone .

I understand your point about history but History is a metalesson :)
History, as a lesson, teaches multiple lessons. The point of learning history is to learn from the mistakes and achievements of the past and look to the forward in avoiding those mistakes and improving the achievements.

We Assyrians, from ancient to medieval times, have left a vast civilization. The Arabs could've learned from it and improved it but they squandered it for Islam and its primitive ideas. Persians have taken better advantage of it but still sorta ruined it with Islamic primitiveness. Kurds like you are starting to see Islam for what it is and you guys are learning from it.

nejepnerast said:
No one is denying that , certainly not me . The only difference between Assyrian and kurds at that time was that Kurd chose the right side . Assyrian sided with English and later abandoned by the English . If Turks had lost the war the argument would have been reversed now right ? you see how meaningless history is ?
To demand that kurds meet the standard that you have set for them your head is A No Go .You need to change the way you think , but there is hope . At least you do not hate None mulsim kurds :)

Assyrians did side with the English, I will admit that, but understand that Turks and other Kurds were destroying our villages and murdering people wholesale and Russia was already KO'd from WW1. Secondly, The Arabs sided with the English as well as the Jews. English abandoned us likely because of politics and the fact that we were likely unable to get what they really wanted (influence in the region? control of oil supplies?).

The Turks did lose the war (WW1) unless you mean the Turkish war of independence but that's in the inter-war period I think.
Also, If Turks did lose the independence war, Kurdistan would've been older than Israel.

Why would I hate non-Muslim Kurds when it was Kurdish Muslims (and other Muslims) who have done wrong to us?

Islam reminds me of Nazism but as a religion. Would you blame the Nazi who likes the ideas Nazism teaches or would you blame Nazism for teaching the Nazi to think such ideas are good?

Replace Nazi and Nazism with Muslim and Islam respectively and you'll see what I mean.
 

nejepnerast

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mrzurnaci said:
you mean primitive? The idea of human rights was still a fetus that these points.
Exactly , they were savages and lacked humanity and all their achievements in terms of conquering other nations were simply put "Crimes" that is why i do not understand the sense of pride .

mrzurnaci said:
That's a fair assessment but we have immeasurable amounts of evidence of our past: steles, cuneiform writings, buried palaces, skeletons.

When I did my research into Kurdish history, the furthest I found Kurdish history starts at is during the reign of Ardashir of the Sassanids but the Sassanid Persians (as well as later Muslim Arabs) used the name "Kurd" as a social class rather than an identity. I then find out in the 900s and 1000s AD, during the reign of Terror known as Islam, that Kurds appear in Arabic and Syriac sources but those sources used 'Kurd' as a name for various nomadic Iranian tribes. Is that where Kurdish history starts or later?

Honestly i do not know much about histroy . For me the person who is born today have the same right as someone who was born 100 years ago . A family that settled here for 100 years have the same right as some one who has been here for a million years . The idea that i was here first , thus i have more rights or somehow makes a person better than the other does not compute with 21 century .I'm beginning to understand that after arriving to Canada , It is what we do today that matter and our success or failures have nothing to do with our past . So when did kurdish history start ? I do not know or want to know , because for me it is irrelevant . 

mrzurnaci said:
Basically, it's difficult defining history when you don't relatively know where it starts. I can probably safely say alot of social class Kurds became ethnic Kurds but I have no source on that. :/

I prefer Gypsies , they are cool and happy :)

mrzurnaci said:
Assyrians will deny Kurdish history, Kurds will deny Assyrian history, Arabs and Turks will deny both. It's called Middle East BSing, it stems from a lack of quality education, funding, and is full of Muslamic influence :)
agreed


mrzurnaci said:
Kurds didn't exist during the time of the Medes though. Assyrians and Assyrian kings wrote about the Medes and they did not mention a Kurdish people.
Secondly, Medes were nomadic and primitive. I've never heard of ancient nomadic people being advanced. Even the nomads Romans faced weren't advanced.
Even though Medes helped destroy the ancient Assyrian empire, they still learned about the civilization, especially from the help of the Akkadian-Babylonians. Mission accomplished?

I will take your word for it and thank you , because if you are correct then our hand is clean from all the blood spilled during the fall of assyrian empire . 

mrzurnaci said:
Did I say Persians were nice? If Persians were nice then the Romans/Byzantines would've beaten them long ago and you and me would probably be speaking Latin or Greek :)
Persians did not actually practice much Slavery. Slavery under the Persian empires was temporary, it wasn't for life and it didn't pass onto your children. Secondly, the Persians allowed everyone to live as they want as long as taxes were paid.

My dear mrzurnaci , do not even try :). Persian were assholes ,blood thirsty savages like the rest .

mrzurnaci said:
I understand your point about history but History is a metalesson :)
History, as a lesson, teaches multiple lessons. The point of learning history is to learn from the mistakes and achievements of the past and look to the forward in avoiding those mistakes and improving the achievements.

Aside from scientific achievement I do not know what could i possibly teach my children if i was a nationalist kurd or turk or arab or assyrian or persian . listen son Your ancestors killed and enslaved a whole bunch of people and build this buildings ?no ?.

mrzurnaci said:
We Assyrians, from ancient to medieval times, have left a vast civilization. The Arabs could've learned from it and improved it but they squandered it for Islam and its primitive ideas. Persians have taken better advantage of it but still sorta ruined it with Islamic primitiveness. Kurds like you are starting to see Islam for what it is and you guys are learning from it.

I agree with your point about Islam , but i do not believe anything can be learned from ancient Assyrian and even their civil or scientific achievement is just a flicker in term of destruction they havoc on the other nation and the amount of blood they spilled .

mrzurnaci said:
Assyrians did side with the English, I will admit that, but understand that Turks and other Kurds were destroying our villages and murdering people wholesale and Russia was already KO'd from WW1. Secondly, The Arabs sided with the English as well as the Jews. English abandoned us likely because of politics and the fact that we were likely unable to get what they really wanted (influence in the region? control of oil supplies?).

I completely understand and it is shameful what happened to Assyrian and Armenian and it is one of the darkest pages in our histroy . Minorities have always been used by the major powers or put against each other  . We still have not learned from that though and a handful of dollars can make it happen all over again unless as minorities we wake up and stop this meaningless hatred .

mrzurnaci said:
The Turks did lose the war (WW1) unless you mean the Turkish war of independence but that's in the inter-war period I think.
Also, If Turks did lose the independence war, Kurdistan would've been older than Israel.
We will never know , may be Assyrians and Armenians would have slaughtered us to the last man and women . We were are not so different .

mrzurnaci said:
Islam reminds me of Nazism but as a religion. Would you blame the Nazi who likes the ideas Nazism teaches or would you blame Nazism for teaching the Nazi to think such ideas are good?
Replace Nazi and Nazism with Muslim and Islam respectively and you'll see what I mean.
Do not start me on Islam :) .
Do you know if posting critical threads about Mohamad and islam is permitted on this site ? let me know please .
 

KingA

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Ezidi Kurd said:
LMAO, what kind of Sunni Muslim Daesh terrorist Turanic Mongoloid Turkic mentality is this?


Assyrians are right. Those who are native to their homeland have more rights to live on that land! The occupiers should go back to their original land. Turanic Mongoloid Turks must go back to Central Asia.

Take Shengal as example, terrorist Erdogan and his Sunni Muslim midget Daesh ***** Barzani expelled with their GENOCIDE, terror and spreading fear 500000 Ezdi Kurds from Shengal. Only 3 years ago in sHengal lived 500000 Ezdi Kurds. Today only a few thousands. Whose homeland is Shengal? Of course Shengal belongs only to the Ezdi Kurds and Ezdi Kurds only. AN dit will be like that. Shengal will be always Islam-FREE.

If PKK abandons Shengal, Ezdi Kurds will loose Shengal forever. Sunni Muslims will occupy Shengal. And in few years Sunni Muslims will claim Shengal as their own. This what our enemies want.


Thank Tause Melek for PKK that PKK is in Shengal. Without PKK Shengal would be in Sunni Muslim hands. At this moment our Aryans warriors of PKK are the sole protectors of Shengal and as long as Ezdi Kurds and PKK exist Shengal will be in OUR hands. In the hands of the native people.


(Ezdi) Kurds = PKK and PKK = (Ezdi) Kurds. We will NEVER betray the PKK. We are the people. Power to the people.


PKK is blessed by Tause Melek and Tause Melek is protecting PKK. So PKK can't lose now. PKK is only going to win our battle against our enemies.


This is NOT how it works. The original populations as long as they do exist have all the right to their own area and have ALL the rights to claim their own homeland back. As long as Ezdi Kurds exist all over the world, the Ezdi Kurds have a claim to Shengal and Shexan, because we exist, we are not dead. I don't live in Shengal, but because I'm Ezdi Kurd, Shengal BELONGS to me and to my children and their children. NOT to the Sunni Muslim occupiers.


When the Assyrians claim their native regions back, they have got my blessings. As long as they do exists their regions and their villages will be always their. And every occupier is temporary like a tourist on their land and should leave their territories when they come back. This is how it works in this world.



I'm reading here and here that Turks are barking again like always and threatening the Ezdi Kurds. I would say come on, we are waiting for you, you Mongolid Turanic subhumans. But remember that you are next. The real Aryan Kurds will come for you. We will liberate Constantinople from the Turks. The fight is not finished yet. The only one who is scared is Erdogan and Barzani, that's why they do crazy things and attack. because they believe it is the only thing what they can do. But with their attacks they can't achieve anything. We wil still hang midget Barzani and his son by his balls.

Never forget and never forgive! Erdogan and Barzani will never escape their fate and karma.

You have more Islamic mentallity than nejepnerast. According to your logic, 50-60 milion Turks have to pack their bags and move to central Asia. They have lived there for at least 900 years. 
 

mrzurnaci

Active member
KingA said:
You have more Islamic mentallity than nejepnerast. According to your logic, 50-60 milion Turks have to pack their bags and move to central Asia. They have lived there for at least 900 years. 
Technically King, they're not real Turks, they're Greeks and Armenians who became Muslim and shifted to Turkish.
 

nejepnerast

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Ezidi Kurd said:
LMAO, what kind of Sunni Muslim Daesh terrorist Turanic Mongoloid Turkic mentality is this?
Assyrians are right. Those who are native to their homeland have more rights to live on that land! The occupiers should go back to their original land. Turanic Mongoloid Turks must go back to Central Asia.

Then pack up your bag and go back to Iranian plateau . The turkc should pack up their backs and go back to central asia and the arabs should get out of iraq , and the canadian should go back to England and france . Your argument is rediculous and would happen only through genocide .

Ezidi Kurd said:
Take Shengal as example, terrorist Erdogan and his Sunni Muslim midget Daesh ***** Barzani expelled with their GENOCIDE, terror and spreading fear 500000 Ezdi Kurds from Shengal. Only 3 years ago in sHengal lived 500000 Ezdi Kurds. Today only a few thousands. Whose homeland is Shengal? Of course Shengal belongs only to the Ezdi Kurds and Ezdi Kurds only. AN dit will be like that. Shengal will be always Islam-FREE.

I do not know how Shangal case applies here , since it is just a city and we are talking about a country , but whatever .

Ezidi Kurd said:
If PKK abandons Shengal, Ezdi Kurds will loose Shengal forever. Sunni Muslims will occupy Shengal. And in few years Sunni Muslims will claim Shengal as their own. This what our enemies want.

PKK and pretty much all kurdish political parties are just tools for iran ,iraq , syria , iran and West . PKK's allience with Syrian regime , iran and iraq is open one now and not even a subject of a discussion .

Ezidi Kurd said:
Thank Tause Melek for PKK that PKK is in Shengal. Without PKK Shengal would be in Sunni Muslim hands. At this moment our Aryans warriors of PKK are the sole protectors of Shengal and as long as Ezdi Kurds and PKK exist Shengal will be in OUR hands. In the hands of the native people..

I like yezidis and have many kirives , but please do not start me with this ridiculous faith . Understand this , if PKK stays in shingal they will make shingal a war zone for turkey and iraq in the long run . They are only there because iraqi government pays them to stay to counter turkey and KRG . Any other illusion you have are just in your head I promise you .

Ezidi Kurd said:
(Ezdi) Kurds = PKK and PKK = (Ezdi) Kurds. We will NEVER betray the PKK. We are the people. Power to the people.

Ya Ya , I'm having a steak today . That is how relevant your words are .

Ezidi Kurd said:
PKK is blessed by Tause Melek and Tause Melek is protecting PKK. So PKK can't lose now. PKK is only going to win our battle against our enemies.

Let me tell you this . If Apo says jump , the whole cult of PKK will say how high ? If he say withdraw from turkey and dump all your weapons so you can be an easy target for turks , they will ( remember 1999 ) .If he say there is no Rojava then there is no Rojava ( Called northern syria now by PKK ) . So PKK is real kurds ? I think not . There is no doubt about average PKK being real kurd , but the leadership is an absolut embarrassment  .  Hell , they openly say that they are against establishing a kurdish state or may be you do not know that too .

Ezidi Kurd said:
I'm reading here and here that Turks are barking again like always and threatening the Ezdi Kurds. I would say come on, we are waiting for you, you Mongolid Turanic subhumans. But remember that you are next. The real Aryan Kurds will come for you. We will liberate Constantinople from the Turks. The fight is not finished yet. The only one who is scared is Erdogan and Barzani, that's why they do crazy things and attack. because they believe it is the only thing what they can do. But with their attacks they can't achieve anything. We wil still hang midget Barzani and his son by his balls.
Never forget and never forgive! Erdogan and Barzani will never escape their fate and karma.
You keep repeating this emotional none sense over and over like it means something .
 

Cascade

Active member
Ezidi Kurd said:
Ergativity was part of the proto-Indo-Iranian. Since Indo-Iranian evolved ont he Iranian Plateau. Persian had also ergativity, but lost ergative construction in Middle Persian.
And I doubted that when? I already told you there are Iranian languages that have ergativity, and they're the only Indo-European languages to do so.

It is very hard for me to have a discussion with you, since your knowledge about what I'm interested about is not very high..
That's rich coming from you. Everyone in this board thinks your ideas are really skewed and faulty. Just admit your wrongs or give up.

You are missing the point. The proto-Sumerian Ubaid culture was also located in the UPPER Mesopotamia and originally from the Iranian Plateau.
There's no missing points. Sumerian culture sprouted from the south. It always did. It may have spread to the north, but that's not the point here. Ubaidis existed in Kuwait too and Persian gulf to the south. They were spread around the fertile crescent and date from 5400BC. Who's to say that they are the pure descendants of Yazidis or Assyrians for that matter? So many mixing has happened since then that it's all blurred. But if you want to people really technical, these people can be modern day Marsh Arabs and Mandeans, because they're indigenous to that region. And maybe, just maybe, the ancient Mesopotamians in the upper part near Zagros gave rise to Yazidis and other Iranid peoples? Again, it doesn't have to be so black and white. And I know you'll again use mythical Jewish terms such as "Semites" to refute this idea. 

To reiterate, nobody's saying that we are the pure descendants of Sumerians. As I said earlier, Sumerians could have been the common ancestors of all people native to modern day Iraq/West Iran. The Ubaidis too. But no, you somehow don't like that and you subjectively want only your people to be descendants of prehistoric Mesopotamians. I mean, hello, we also trace our origins in Mesopotamia (and that's a fact). Why would you think only your people descend from the ancients there? How pathetically selfish and cynical.

Your native language is Semitic. So you guys are Mesopotamian AND Semitic. WTH, why do you hate to be Semitic? It is what you are, just accept it.
The term ?Semitic? was introduced in 1781 to label a group of closely related languages (because in Gen 10:21 Shem is called the ancestor of the speakers of some of those languages). It does not name a ?people? or an ethnic group.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781444338386.wbeah01175/abstract

So no, I am not "Semitic". Assyrians are not the "sons" of Shem (unless you believe in hearsay or Jewish fiction with no compelling evidence). Above all, I'm not a term that's coined by Europeans who have based it of a fictitious book. Funny, you loathe Judaism, Israel and the likes, but yet you're so eager to implement their fallacious terms. Jews invented the term and it's likely to be a name for their tribes. We did NOT "come out" from Jews. The Old Testament is NOT our book of origins. Most importantly, Akkadians were speaking and writing in Semitic around the same time when Shem existed (2800BC-2300BC), so how did he gave rise to Assyrians and Akkadians in such a short period of time? But of course, screw history, we're Semitic either way, because of magic, right? :blink:

You can clearly see that the term Semitic is entirely biblical. Since you and I don't believe in the Old Testament there's no reason why we should be being blatantly ignorant by enforcing a fictional biblical term for Assyrians? Of course I would hate to be labeled something that's inaccurate and is especially based from a fantasy book. I'm only "Semitic" because I speak a Semitic language (I prefer the non-biblical term, "Syro-Arabian"). A language family is NOT a race and Assyrians have nothing to do with Shemites. Your stubborn refusal to accept this is just astounding, considering that you don't even believe in Abrahamic religions, and yet you're pandering to it. Just amazing.

If Judaism didn't exist, or at least, if it wasn't taken so seriously (thanks to Christianity), the Semitic languages would've either being called "Levantine" or "Near Eastern". At least you guys and Caucasians have realistic regional names to cover your people's languages (Indo-Iranian language, Caucasian languages, etc). Us, on the other hand, are based after a Judaic character that probably didn't exist. How is that justified? And yet you say why I hate being called "Semitic". In a nutshell: If you're not part of the Abrahamic religion (in which YOU ARE NOT), do NOT use their terms to label us. That's contradictory to what you believe in.

Of course, Christian Assyrians will disagree with what I just said. Since they believe in the bible, they'll naturally go with the idea that we came from Shem. And that's fine. As an atheist, obviously I will always refuse to believe that. I don't want biblical characters to be my label and there's no evidence that Shem is our forefather (as well as Abraham). But, this is more about my Assyrianism than my atheism. I don't want to be some component of a fictional Jewish character. My ancestors were Assyrians/Mesopotamians, not the sons of Shem. And that's that.

P.S. Let's starting calling Muslims/Arabs Ishmaelites, since, you know, the Quran states so.  :dry:
 

Neta1991

New member
Ezidi Kurd said:
I'm NATIVE to Shengal and Shengal Mountains are part of the Zagros Mountains. That's why it is part of the Iranian Plateau.

Shengal is NOT a city but a whole region. It is the whole Mountain, a huge area.

Better an alliance with Shia Muslims than with Turks and Sunni Muslim Turanic Mongoloid Turkish monkes and Gulf Arab negr0s. Sunni Muslims are our enemies. Sunni Muslims commited more genocied on my people than Shia. But in general Daesh terrorist midget and b!tch of Erdogan Barzani is much closer to his pimp Erdogan than PKK to Iran. Barzani sold not only his own @$$ but his whole Barzanistan to Erdogan.
PKK fight only for Kurdish interests!


Shengal is already a war zone. Let's fight. Let's Turks and Barzani come to Shengal. We will defeat them. After that we will make Barzanistan and Constantinople a war zone. Barzani and Erdogan are afraid of Ezdi Kurds for what will happen to Barzani en Erdogan after Daesh is defeated. They did horrible things and they hope that they can escape the consequences. So they are trying to weaken the Ezdi Kurds. They believe that IF PKK will go, the Ezdi Kurds will be much weaker and than the can oppress the Ezdi Kurds. But this will NEVER happen. Ezdi Kurds are already well organized and we already know who is our enemy. And we are determined to defeat our enemies.

The whole world is a withess how Turks and Barzani are the one who OPENLY attack the Shengal after they under the guise of Daesh couldn't finish the job.

Let the Turks come. With ground troops nobody can't take Shengal. That's impossible. Do you think we are afraid of Turkish fighters? Even if Turks start to attack Shengal with their fighters we will get surface-to-air missiles. We will bring down the whole Turkish fleet in a few days. Shengal will be an aircraft boneyard for Turkish airplanes.


So lets fight, we are ready. Turanic Turkish terrorist monkeys are already ont heir knees and we are ready to bring those subhumans a deathblow.


Shengal will become Kobani for Turkey and Barzani and after that the REAL Aryan Kurds will march toward Hawler. And we will liberate Hawler from Sunni Muslim scum. We will get Barzani and his son and hand him by his balls. No matter what, mark my words.


As long APO is in prison nobody is listening to APO. I heard the Turks are slowly killing APO. He was just one of the founding fathers of PKK. We have a lot GENIUS Kurds and a great think-tank who can take the right decisions. But even APO is gone, hundreds, thousands years later there will be PKK. Why? Because PKK are the Kurdish people. And Kurdish people are the PKK.


Ezdi Kurds = PKK. And this wil be FOREVER so. We will NEVER going to betray PKK and PKK will NEVER go to betray it's people. We will stay FOREVER loyal to PKK. Why? PKK is the Kurdish party and figts for Kurdish interests.


The more attack on PKK, the more support for PKK. The more determined and stronger (Ezdi) Kurds are to defeat those who attack PKK!

PKK = Shengal, Ezdixan, Kurdistan
Shengal, Ezdixan, Kurdistan = PKK

PKK = 50 million Kurds
50 million Kurds = PKK

Power to the PKK, power to the PEOPLE!

go and fack yourself bitch
 

nejepnerast

New member
Ezidi Kurd said:
I'm NATIVE to Shengal and Shengal Mountains are part of the Zagros Mountains. That's why it is part of the Iranian Plateau.
Shengal is NOT a city but a whole region. It is the whole Mountain, a huge area.

no no shengal is a country lolol . You have never been to shengal have you ?

Ezidi Kurd said:
Better an alliance with Shia Muslims than with Turks and Sunni Muslim Turanic Mongoloid Turkish monkes and Gulf Arab negr0s. Sunni Muslims are our enemies. Sunni Muslims commited more genocied on my people than Shia. But in general Daesh terrorist midget and b!tch of Erdogan Barzani is much closer to his pimp Erdogan than PKK to Iran. Barzani sold not only his own @$$ but his whole Barzanistan to Erdogan.

Well at least you admit :) , but painting shia of iran , iraq , Alawis of syria with Rose color just does not work . But like i said , credit to you for admitting that PKK is tireless working for iran who are hanging kurds on daily bases and iraq who is starving kurds and syrian regime who committed unspeakable atrocities and  massacre against kurds of Rojava  . Bravo

Ezidi Kurd said:
Shengal is already a war zone. Let's fight. Let's Turks and Barzani come to Shengal. We will defeat them. After that we will make Barzanistan and Constantinople a war zone. Barzani and Erdogan are afraid of Ezdi Kurds for what will happen to Barzani en Erdogan after Daesh is defeated. They did horrible things and they hope that they can escape the consequences. So they are trying to weaken the Ezdi Kurds. They believe that IF PKK will go, the Ezdi Kurds will be much weaker and than the can oppress the Ezdi Kurds. But this will NEVER happen. Ezdi Kurds are already well organized and we already know who is our enemy. And we are determined to defeat our enemies.
The whole world is a withess how Turks and Barzani are the one who OPENLY attack the Shengal after they under the guise of Daesh couldn't finish the job.

Repetitive , baseless and emotional and holds zero value .

Ezidi Kurd said:
Let the Turks come. With ground troops nobody can't take Shengal. That's impossible. Do you think we are afraid of Turkish fighters? Even if Turks start to attack Shengal with their fighters we will get surface-to-air missiles. We will bring down the whole Turkish fleet in a few days. Shengal will be an aircraft boneyard for Turkish airplanes.

Shingal belong to Kurdistan not pkk , because PKK is not a country . I promise you PKK will withdraw from shengal once they get enough money and weapons from Iraq and Iran . It is just business

Ezidi Kurd said:
Shengal will become Kobani for Turkey and Barzani and after that the REAL Aryan Kurds will march toward Hawler. And we will liberate Hawler from Sunni Muslim scum. We will get Barzani and his son and hand him by his balls. No matter what, mark my words.

I'm honestly Puzzled where PKK find people like you :). I look at kurds around me and failed to find ONE with extreme views like you .

Ezidi Kurd said:
As long APO is in prison nobody is listening to APO. I heard the Turks are slowly killing APO. He was just one of the founding fathers of PKK. We have a lot GENIUS Kurds and a great think-tank who can take the right decisions. But even APO is gone, hundreds, thousands years later there will be PKK. Why? Because PKK are the Kurdish people. And Kurdish people are the PKK..

Just admit it , he is a coward . Did not he apologies to turkey after his capture in the first statement he made in court ? Did not he order PKK to surrender to save his ass  ? Did not he send a list of Kurdish PKK leaders to Qandil and ordered them to surrender to Turkish government and anyone who objected was shot on site ? Do not tell me about APO and what a great leader he was please . There is plenty more to be said about Apo , so please save us the embarrassment .

Ezidi Kurd said:
Ezdi Kurds = PKK. And this wil be FOREVER so. We will NEVER going to betray PKK and PKK will NEVER go to betray it's people. We will stay FOREVER loyal to PKK. Why? PKK is the Kurdish party and figts for Kurdish interests.
The more attack on PKK, the more support for PKK. The more determined and stronger (Ezdi) Kurds are to defeat those who attack PKK!

PKK = Shengal, Ezdixan, Kurdistan
Shengal, Ezdixan, Kurdistan = PKK

PKK = 50 million Kurds
50 million Kurds = PKK

Power to the PKK, power to the PEOPLE!
Ya ya ya , go and do something in the Bakur instead of trying to destroy Basur for iran and Iran  . Give me a break .
 

mrzurnaci

Active member
Ezidi Kurd said:
My paternal tribe is from Shengal.

Persians are at least Aryans like Kurds. They speak a similar language to our language and they have the same culture. At one day there will be an 'Aryan' Union, a confederation of Kurds & Persians. All West Iranians will be united.

What PKK did for Kurdistan, there will be no Kurdish party in 1000 of years that can reach that amount!

Shengal is part of Ezdixan and Ezdixan is part of 'GREAT' Kurdistan. It is 'own' part of Kurdistan and NOT part of Barzanistan.


PKK has already got all the weapons we need. They are just waiting for a right time to use them and when they will need them. Also the Ezdi Kurds have got all the weapons we need to defeat our enemies.


"All these attacks are a continuation of the genocide the Turkish state and ISIS alliance perpetrated in Shengal on 3 August, 2014. Coming into play at a time when ISIS is nearing the end, the Turkish state has practically taken sides with the ISIS. Just like we did not allow the continuation of the genocide through YB?/YJ? organization, our forces have frustrated this attack by avoiding suffering losses through military tactics. Not confining ourselves to frustrate this attack, we well retaliate against all attacks and use our right to legitimate defense.
Our ?zid? people have faced yet another attempt of genocide after the 73rd one they have been through. However, we, YB?/YJ? will respond to all attacks and plans as the defense force of our people. It should be known that our people are organized in self-defense and capable of responding to all attacks strongly. We state that no attack on our people will reach its goal, and we call on all our people to take sides with the resistance we developed under the lead of YB?/YJ?, and to continue the struggle until the freedom of Shengal and ?zid? people is attained."
"

https://anfenglish.com/kurdistan/ybS-yjS-we-will-use-our-right-to-defense-against-attacks-19719

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mrzurnaci

Active member
Ezidi Kurd said:
In my scientific books Shengal is part of the Zagros Mountains and therefor part of the Iranian Plateau.


Here you can see Shengal as part of the Zagros Fold Belt

Zagros_Fold_Belt.jpg


More about it: http://www.kurdistan-geology.com/PDF/Researches/Intermmountain%20basin,%20Kurdistan.pdf

fold belt =/= mountain range

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fold_and_thrust_belt
"A fold and thrust belt is a series of mountainous foothills adjacent to an orogenic belt,"
 
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