Neta1991 said:Their country will probably be northern iraq and syria, they will without doubt never get a country in turkey or iran. Anyway is their homeland iran?
Ezidi Kurd said:First of all Zagros mountains are not in North Eastern Iran. Zagros Mountains are part of North Western Iranian Plateau (including Kurdistan).
The Parthians were the Medes who migrated into the Eastern parts of the Iranian Plateau. The Parthians came originally from Kurdistan and were the Medes. Parthians spoke a North WEST Iranian language, like the Medes and Kurds. Parthians spoke the same language as their Median ancestors. The Medes predate the Parthians. Medes, Parthians, Kurds, all of them speak a North WESTERN Iranian language. Although it is possible that the Parthians mixed a little bit with the Scythians in SouthCentral Asia (Eastern Iran). Read the history.
I've got a question about Shengal and Lalish. Who is more native to Shengal, Assyrians or Ezdi Kurds? Does Shengal belong to the Assyrians or the Ezdi Kurds?
First off...Ezidi Kurd said:Wrong on many points again.
Parthians spoke a NORTH West Iranian language like the Medes and later the Kurds. Even Persians spoke a SOUTH Western language. So Parthians were more related to the ancient Medes than the ancient Persians.
Some tribes of the Medes who lived in Kurdistan migrated into the SouthCentral Asia. Their direct descedants in Central Asia were the Parthians. Later on there was a back migration of those Parthians into (Eastern) Kurdistan again. So those Parthians were absorbed again into the Median substratum.
Assyrians never lived in Shengal. Shengal has always been populated by the Ezdi Kurds, since the very ancient times. And Shengal lies in the heart of Mesopotamia.
The native Kurdish (West Iranian) religion predate the Assyrians by thousands of years. Ezdixan, the heartland of the Mesopotamia, has always been populated by the Ezdi Kurds. Our religion was born in the Mesopotamia dating back to the ancient Sumerians. Our religion, the concept of 7 angels, Tause Meles, Ezide Sor is much, much more ancient than the whole Semitic race. We predate Assyrians or other Semites by thousands of years. Your ancestors were the immigratns to our holy lands, never forget that.
That's why our enemies (like Sunni Muslims, Turks) try to destroy the Ezdi Kurds. Because if they destroy Ezidi Kurds, they would destroy the Kurdish history, and it would be more easier for them to spread propaganda about the Kurds. Our enemies are trying to eradicate the whole ancient Kurdish history, becasue they want to assimilate the Kurds. Nation building starts with history. And our enemies are trying to destory our West Iranian (Aryan) history.
You sound like one of our enemies. There is no difference between you and the Sunni Muslim Turks and Arabs, You are as radical as them, you are the same who is denying the history of the Kurds.
And we are going to fight and oppose people like you as much as we do oppose the Sunni Muslims. It doesn't matter to what religion you do belong.
When you are denying our history, we are going to oppose you. And the West Iranian (Aryans) are going to win, no matter what. We survived everybody and everyhing. We are the OLDEST people on this planet. We are the survivals.
You are not Sumerian. Really, stop this, you're not even funny. What do Yazidis have to do with a southern Iraqi, desert civilization? Stop your lousy contradiction. You just admitted again that your people are from them the Shengal mountains and Semites are not "mountain people". Last time I checked, Sumer was not up there. You're right, we're not from the mountains. That's why our homeland is in the plains of Mesopotamia, south of your mountains. Also, Sumeria is there too. So who's more related to Sumerians? I think the answer is obvious.Ezidi Kurd said:Ezdi Kurds are Kurmanji Kurds who NEVER changed their religion. Ezdi Kurd = non-Muslim Kurmanji Kurds. Kurmanji Kurds are Kurds. So Ezdi Kurds are Kurds.
I've got more self-respect than your people. I have so much self-respect that I don't have to lie about others and other races!
Once again, the Shengal Moutains were the beginning and the centre of the Ubaid Sumerian civilization, the GREATEST Sumerian civilization ever. The Sumerians were West Iranian (Iranid/Aryan) people. Ezdi Kurds are the most native people of the Shengal Moutains. Assyrians have never been living in Shengal Mountains. Semitic people are not the 'mountain' people. There is 0, 0 ,0 Assyrian villages in Shengal Mountains.
Our native SUMERIAN religion (concepts like the 7 angels, Tause Melek, Ezide Sor etc.) predate the Assyrians and even your Semitic ancestors by thousands of years. And I'm sure that we will SURVIVE you by another thousands of years. Our survival = our infinite self-respect to our religion, ancestors and our race. This is how much self-respect we have got!!!
1+mrzurnaci said:If Yezidis really were the oldest people on the planet, why don't you have your own native alphabet that is similar to either Aramaic or Akkadian/Sumerian writing? Aramaic and Akkadian were the the dominant languages of mesopotamia but Yezidis use neither the language nor the writing...
Ezidi Kurd said:So, we have got evidence that Shingal was the homeland of the legendary Ubaid proto-Sumerians.
There is a link between the Yezidism and ancient Sumerian mythology.
The Ezdi Kurds are the most native and the only people of Shingal Mountains. In the Mountains there are only Ezdi villages and Ezdi Kurds. No traces from other races, only the Sumerians. It has NOTHING to do with the Assyrians. Ezdi Kurds predate the Assyrians by thousands of years. Our religion is even older than the Semites (ancestors of the Assyrians) who migrated into the Mesopotamia.
Ezdi Kurds HAVE the Sumerian religion. We have their customs and their culture. Shingal was the homeland of the Sumerians, Ezdi Kurds live in a region where the Sumerians lived. Ezdi Kurds are native to that region. So, 1+1=2. It makes Sumerians the ancestors of the Ezdi Kurds (Medes / West Iranians).
We are the OLDEST people on this planet!
Ezidi Kurd said:Ezdi Kurds are the original and native population of the ancient lands of the proto-Sumerian Shengal. This is a FACT!
Ezdi Kurds have West Iranian DNA and a native NorthWest Iranian language of Kurmanji. Kurmanji is the language of our native Sumerian religion. The prayers, the ceremony etc. of the Sumerian Yezidism ARE in Kurmanji Kurdish.
There is EVERYTHING Sumerian about the Kurds.
Assyrians are mostly Semitic and their ancesotrs were mostly Semitic tribes lik that of Akkadians, Arameans etc.. Assyrians have nothing to do with the Sumerians.
Ezidi Kurd said:The DNA of the Ezdi Kurds is even more Iranid/Kurdish/WestIranian/Aryan than that of the most Kurds. How can Ezdi Kurds be related to the Assyrians when our DNA is West Iranian and closely related to other West Iranians like Persians, West Iranians of the Caspian Sea etc.?
We have more ancient Eneolithic Iranid auDNA from Zagros Mountains in us than the most West Iranians..
We speak a pure form of Kurmanji. Kurmanji is our NATIVE language. It is the language of our Sumerian religion. Genetically we are hardcore West Iranians. We have nothing to do with the Semites. Neither our native Sumerian religion, neither or culture, nor our language, nor or DNA.
Sumerians were also from the Mountains and their DNA was also West Iranian in nature heavily with Eneolithic Zagros Aryan auDNA.
Kurds DON'T have the Semitic DNA. Our DNA is closely related tot the Iranian Plateau DNA and Eneolithic Zagros Aryan auDNA.
Chermera temple looks actually very SUMERIAN to me. It has been build by the Ezdi Kurds and nobody else..
And yet you still continue to classify language families as if they're a race. That's why I cannot take you too seriously, even though at times you do make credible points. Semites aren't a race of people. Unless you believe in the Old Testament, you know, the Jewish book, there's no need to fall for that BS. And I thought you hated Judaism and their "ideas". Guess what? Because the term "Semitic" is their classification. How many times do I have to explain this to you?Ezidi Kurd said:The Ezdi Kurds are the most native and the only people of Shingal Mountains. In the Mountains there are only Ezdi villages and Ezdi Kurds. No traces from other races, only the Sumerians. It has NOTHING to do with the Assyrians. Ezdi Kurds predate the Assyrians by thousands of years. Our religion is even older than the Semites (ancestors of the Assyrians) who migrated into the Mesopotamia.
Like I said, you're only "grabbing" Sumerians because they're the first civilizations and they don't speak a Semitic language. This is just convenient to you. It's gold. Maybe Sumerians gave birth to both Assyrians and Western Iranians? Ever thought that they can be the common ancestors of us both? At least I can concede that. It's all too black and white with you.Ezidi Kurd said:I'm looking deep into the history. That's why I do consider modern people Ezdi Kurds as Sumerians and modern people Assyrians as Akkadians. And it makes lots of sense. Sumerians and Akkadians were neighbours of each other. Sumerians lived in the north and Akkadians/Arameans lived in the south.
This very idea now would feed his agenda.AshurayaPlasha said:Umman Manda are clearly people that come from todays Iran or Anatolia (Turkey) and were a degraded group, also known as "enemies of civilization" referring to barbarians. The Assyrians never identified the Shumerians as "Umman Manda" and there are no evidence to show that Shumerians were part of / related the Umman manda group.... and even if they were categorized as being part of that group, it wouldn't mean that they were related to Iranic people. The Hurrians and Elamites (for example) were not related to Indo-Iranic people, the Hurrians were conquered by the Indo-Iranic people, just as the Shumerians were conquered by the Semitic people.
No, you're right. I know that nobody, whether an Assyrian or a Kurd, is a full, living descendant of a Sumerian, since so many mixing has happened since then. As with Elamites and Hurrians. Perhaps Sumerians are the common ancestors of Arabs, Persians, Assyrians and pretty much every person from the Middle East? I don't know. But I can go with that idea.AshurayaPlasha said:It doesn't feed to his agenda because that's what happened, no one can claim to be descendants of Sumerians, Elamites or Hurrians, it's just not historically/culturally possible, and even the term "Sumerian" actually didn't exist outside of the Akkadian cuneiform, so technically speaking, the "Sumerian/Shumerian" people didn't actually exist, now do we know for a fact whether or not Semites, or "Sumerian"-speakers existed since 6000 years or more in Mesopotamia? Or were rather natives or invaders? We will never know, and if someone says "Yes I know" then they are lying.