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Renee

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What do you think about legalising the Abourtion Pill? Considering the fact that Abortion is legal in Australia, why do you think the legalisation of a non-sergical method of Abortion is in contention?

Politicians to debate abortion pill ban
November 28, 2005

Coalition and Labor MPs are expected to debate contentious calls to lift the ban on abortion drug RU486 on Tuesday.

Liberal backbenchers Bronwyn Bishop and Judi Moylan will host an information session on the abortion pill for coalition lower and upper house MPs.

They will be addressed by advocates of RU486, rural gynaecologist Caroline de Costa and Liberal MP Mal Washer.

Professor De Costa also will address the Labor party room at a separate briefing.

After both briefings, Prof de Costa will meet with Health Minister Tony Abbott on Tuesday afternoon.

Prof de Costa is an obstetrics professor at James Cook University in Cairns and wants to be the first Australian doctor to prescribe the banned abortion pill.

She has applied to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) to import the drug - but it will ultimately be up to Mr Abbott as to whether she is granted approval.

On Monday night, Nationals senator Fiona Nash called for the ban on RU486 to be lifted.

The NSW senator and mother of two told parliament the federal government should overturn a nine-year-old amendment that gives the health minister control over the drug.

Senator Nash said that since 1996 the drug had been approved in 33 countries including the United States, New Zealand and Britain.

She said the law should be changed to allow the TGA to study RU486 and make a decision on its availability.
 
Abortion decision up to experts, says Nat
By Misha Schubert, Canberra
November 29, 2005

IT WOULD be "irresponsible" for politicians to deny women access to non-surgical terminations if medical experts deem the abortion pill RU486 safe, Nationals senator Fiona Nash said last night.

As moves gather pace to lift the ban on the drug, Senator Nash insisted the decision was one for medical experts ? not politicians ? as she spoke in a late-night adjournment debate. "I don't believe there is anyone in this building that has the ability to judge the quality, safety and efficacy of RU486," she said a few hours earlier. "That decision should be made by the Therapeutic Goods Administration who hold the medical and scientific expertise."

Democrats Senator Lyn Allison plans to move an amendment to an unrelated piece of legislation on the TGA in this sitting fortnight. Her proposal would reverse a deal extracted by former independent senator Brian Harradine in 1996, which gave the federal health minister the power to decide whether the drug should be legal in Australia. All other drugs are assessed only by the TGA.

Several pro-life MPs and senators are determined to oppose the move.

Senator Nash, sworn into the Senate in August, said the debate over whether to lift the ban on RU486 was not a dispute over the ethical nature of abortion.

"We have an environment in Australia where termination is legal, this is a possible alternative to a surgical procedure and as a medical procedure it should be assessed by the TGA on a medical and scientific basis," she said.

"It would be irresponsible of us not to ensure that if another choice is deemed safe, then it should be available. I happen to hold this view: that women should have a choice because ultimately the decision is up to them, it's not up to government."
 
Because its giving people easier option/access to abortion. Im assuming its less cheaper so more teenagers will be able to afford it. I think it will just make people think its like a contraception pill..( mind you i havent really read how it will be given out)

I agree with abortion being legal...however a pill to make it go away, i just think its wrong
 
peaches said:
Because its giving people easier option/access to abortion. Im assuming its less cheaper so more teenagers will be able to afford it. I think it will just make people think its like a contraception pill..( mind you i havent really read how it will be given out)
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this just gonna make abortion rates higher..cause its more accesiable and girls will start using it as peaches sed as an contraception pill...just like the morning after pill...which is available over the counter...
 
What if it was heavily governed...like to qualify for a prescription you'd have to under-go a series of assessments so that it isn't being abused?
 
i dunno, im against abortion full stop...i think alot of gals probably re-think about having an abortion wen they are actually at the clinic....if its as easy as a pill, maybe they will end up doing sumthing they regret later on...who knows?
 
I agree with Shamoosey. It'll probably increase the abortion rate. I know we've had it here in NZ for a while but I don't know the stats of before and after it was introduced, to know what effect it's had here.
But, I do know quite a few girls who have had abortions, because they felt it was the best option at the time, and ALL of them have since regretted it. It really seemes to mess them up, no matter what age they are.
 
How would you track the abortion rate with this drug??

The idea is to pop the pill like a vitamin the next morning. You have no idea if you are pregnant or not.

The fact is, abortion is murder and no sense of convenience or ignorance will get you around that fact. The slogan should be, "RU486, Pop the pill, kill a baby".
 
John_5_24 said:
How would you track the abortion rate with this drug??

The idea is to pop the pill like a vitamin the next morning. You have no idea if you are pregnant or not.

The fact is, abortion is murder and no sense of convenience or ignorance will get you around that fact. The slogan should be, "RU486, Pop the pill, kill a baby".
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If it's a matter of popping a pill the night after, not knowing if she is pregnant or not, is it murder or contraception?
 
peaches said:
I thought there was a morning after pill...
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Exactly...there is! I don't think this pill works that way. It's only once the female knows she's pregnant, it terminates the pregnancy.

Enaa what I'm asking isnt if abortion is murder or not. I want to know if people think this non-surgical method of abortion is a better alternative, or if it's worse
 
If its regulated and can only be given out by prescription, I don't see how it could be worse than other invasive alternatives. Regardless of morality, if its already legal to have an abortion how does it make any sense to ban the drug?
 
Renee said:
Enaa what I'm asking isnt if abortion is murder or not. I want to know if people think this non-surgical method of abortion is a better alternative, or if it's worse
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i think its worse....for the reason i stated above
 
Renee said:
If it's a matter of popping a pill the night after, not knowing if she is pregnant or not, is it murder or contraception?
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If the woman's intent is to terminate a pregnancy, then what else do we need to know?

You want contraception, as John said, don't have sex if you aren't willing to live with the potential consequences.
 
ufff ok girls heres some info for u

basically this pill is a combination of 2 medicines and its been used in europe for many years. it can only be used if the woman is pregnant for 8 weeks or less and its not a prescription, u gota go to ur doctor or a clinic which administers the pill, u take it orally and then like a day or 2 later the woman has to insert some of the tablets into her aya, u know, thing. but its not the same pill its just one of the 2 medicines in the original pill. and thats how the miscarriage happens.

so from what i know it basically builds a barrier in the system to stop progesterone, thats whats needed for the pregnancy right. when the pills are placed inside her u know, thing, the uterus contracts and then yeh, its over, so im guessing there could be some bleeding.

anyways if u want more info just PM me
 
John_5_24 said:
Renee said:
If it's a matter of popping a pill the night after, not knowing if she is pregnant or not, is it murder or contraception?
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If the woman's intent is to terminate a pregnancy, then what else do we need to know?

You want contraception, as John said, don't have sex if you aren't willing to live with the potential consequences.
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I could always bring up the issue of rape but that's another can of worms.

If a woman does not know if she is with child, how can she be said to have premeditatively ended the childs life via her actions?
 
The reason for taking such pill is obviously non other than to terminate a life!
Whether the woman knows she is pregnant or not her intent is to terminate if so the life she is carrying!
Therefore if you are religious and believe abortion is a sin, taking this pill is equivalent to the actual abortion process, just 2 different ways of terminating a life! It does not excuse a religious woman otherwise.


Having said that?

I think having this pill is a better alternative because it is less painful for one, and the baby or the cells aren?t big enough for the mom to feel attached to the life growing in her?.


That was just my thought; I completely disagree with abortion, period. No exceptions what so ever?in case of rape, well, all I have to say is?what does the innocent life have to do with anything?
 
Renee said:
peaches said:
I thought there was a morning after pill...
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Exactly...there is! I don't think this pill works that way. It's only once the female knows she's pregnant, it terminates the pregnancy.
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renee...u can take the pill with the possibility of being pregnant. so u don't have to know if you're pregnant....

so about the question...i'm not really sure
is the difference from morning pill?
 
Hookah said:
If its regulated and can only be given out by prescription, I don't see how it could be worse than other invasive alternatives. Regardless of morality, if its already legal to have an abortion how does it make any sense to ban the drug?
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Personally I agree with Hookah. Abortion is legal here in Australia, without contending that fact, purly looking at it from a safer alternative viewpoint, I think this pill should be legalised under the stipulation of heavy regulation.

I don't imagine that any woman chooses to abort her unborn lightly, I think this makes the experience less trumatic and scaring.
 
I dunno - it's kind of like takeaways, a takeaway abortion. If it becomes too easy, people aren't forced to face the consequences of their actions.

Then again, since my friends have been so messed up after having a normal abortion, maybe this pill is less traumatic.

I still don't think making the abortion option easier is gonna be good though.
 
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