A simple propostion

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Enki

Enki

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I have a serious proposition to make to everyone on this site who post as member and those who just sit and read. My proposition is very simple and attainable.

We are clear on the fact we have 2 (maybe 4) sides.

We'll catogorize them for conveniance sake, into 4 categories. Mar Bawi supporters, Zowaa supporters, Mar Dinkha supporters, and the ANC/Dadisho supporters.

Us as humans, but above all Assyrian, have the tendancy to look at our differences in our community while ignoring or shunning our similiarities. My proposal is simple as stated. Lets not look at what makes us differet, but rather, what makes us similar.

Mar Bawi supporters seek the Lord and seek peace amongst the church with a united Assyrian front.

Mar Dinkha supporters also seek the Lord and seek peace amongst the church with a united Assyrian front.

Zowaa supporters look for the betterment of the Assyrians in Iraq and around the world.

ANC/Dadisho supporters hope to establish an Assyrian state in Iraq, in doing so, also seek the betterment of the Assyrians in that region.

These are two very general similarities. I'm sure I can make a huge list of similarities. But yet we still choose to look at the negatives. This is the cancer that will devour our nation if we dont wake up and come to grips with this harsh reality.

It is perfectly natural that we do this. Its in our human nature to be this way. Its always great to be critical, but obviously to a certain degree. Pointing out the wrongs is the only way to make it right. But, to be productive as a nation and as a group, we need to find those that link us together first, then we'll work on bridging the gap and mending the fences.

I'll leave you with this one last little bit to think about and dwell on.

What is our BIGGEST link?

Our love for our nation, our culture (which includes our faith in the Lord), and our existance. Without that love, we are lost and forever doomed.

Do you agree?
 
Riza, you're so sweet? :bigarmhug:

I really wish I could agree with you, and to a certain extent I do.? But that last option (ANC/Dadesho) prevents me from voting yes.? I won't go into the reasons why because the tone of your post is so positive and optimistic and I don't want to be the one to ruin it.

I believe our biggest link is language.? The one (and I'm afraid only) uniting factor among all of our denominations is this. It is a stronger link than the wish for an independent home even, because although we all want one, we can't seem to agree on the path to achieving it.
 
Thank you Baklawa and I'm curious as to your reasoning. Please PM me with it.

I just think even though he is anti-zowaa and oposses Kanna, it still doesn't take away from the fact that what he AIMS at achieving...his future ambitions/goals are (from my minimal knowledge) is to have an independant state (aka Assyrian administrative region similar to Zowaa's proposals). We are alike.

Like I said the list is endless. We do share a common language, common literature. We even share common foods and enjoy a lot of the same activities. We love our dances and mourn our losses with our hearts. We are unique and we are alike.

Heck we're even similar in that we both hold serious grudges :lol: but you get my point.

We have differences yes! But we are more alike than we are different. We just need to bring our similarities to the forfront and let them guide us rather than our negativity.

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Hey Mike,

I'm glad I got you to agree. A mostly agree is a great step. What didn't you agree with that post? You can PM me as well if you wish. I'll try to clear the air up.

Thanks khona.
 
Sometimes I feel that the members of some of the groups have alterior motives, but I think that they are mostly secondary goals.  But obviously these are individuals, and not everyone, so I agreee that the goals you listed are goals of the group.
 
You are absolutly right Mike.

For instance we all by now know my stance with Rabi Kanna.

But just as you said, goals of the group. Those are what we need to strive for and work to achieve.

One man alone can only do as much as one man's mind is capable. 3 million people, 3 million minds. We can move the world!
 
i agree riza well said bro.
lets all respect eachother and present our views in a fair and loving way, for the sake of our people...

God Bless
 
sydneydude said:
i agree riza well said bro.
lets all respect eachother and present our views in a fair and loving way, for the sake of our people...

God Bless
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I agree as well.  We also have to realize that their are those who are doing this to better themselves, not all of Assyria. 
 
Riza,

I agree and disagree.

The reasons why I agree:

Since we are talking about supporters, I generally believe that the masses truly envision and strive for unity, love, and peace.

The reasons why I disagree:


Although most supporters of these different and rivaling "sides" may have a pure but misled heart, I cannot fathom why such people with good intentions follow those entities/sides who may SPEAK and ENVISION unity, but their ACTIONS and RHETORIC is divisive, hurtful, and evil as well as conducting a policy of ZERO WORK/ACTION to materialize an ASSYRIA.

Our people are abnormally plagued with tribalism, blind loyalty, and settlement of the status quo.  This is the anchor that is not allowing our unity and progressive ship to sail.

I.E.


  • [*]The Synod of 2005 had zero consideration for a "united Assyria front" where bishops involved in heavy scandals such as monetary and moral  crises were spared while one who had a minority progressive opinion and who was constantly preaching "Khooyada" was excommunicated.
    [br]
    [*]When offiicial spokespersons of the ACOE Synod call fellow Assyrians "Pagans" and "people who do not deserve to receive 'shlameh'," how is this a step towards a "united Assyrian front."?
    [br]
    [*]The self-professed leader of a sat station and familial political party who compulsively lies and fabricates stories about events in our Nation.  His only achievement thus far is creating a Cali based Satellite station and repeating the phrase "Khaya Atour." However these two things will not and never "mikimah" Atour.  Helping out the poor and denied in Iraq while risking bodily harm and martyrdom will.
    [br]
    [*]The Patriarch of the ACOE who supports, honors, and blesses the work of the KDP.  The same KDP that has mutilated our people not only physically, but culturally and politically as well.  And the same damned KDP that has adopted the policies of Saddam's Baath Party in areas of independent political parties suppression and ethnic cleansing (keeping religion, but eradicating ethnicity).

For more information about KDP phsyical oppression: http://www.themesopotamian.org/murder_and_oppression.htm and http://www.christiansofiraq.com/update.html

For information about KDP political check out aina.org as christiansofiraq.com for a sample: http://www.christiansofiraq.com/Kurdsritejune16.html

How can we adopt such utopian goals and yet support those who, either directly or indirectly, contradict and work actively against them?




 
Senator_Danavi said:
Riza,

I agree and disagree.

The reasons why I agree:

Since we are talking about supporters, I generally believe that the masses truly envision and strive for unity, love, and peace.

The reasons why I disagree:


Although most supporters of these different and rivaling "sides" may have a pure but misled heart, I cannot fathom why such people with good intentions follow those entities/sides who may SPEAK and ENVISION unity, but their ACTIONS and RHETORIC is divisive, hurtful, and evil as well as conducting a policy of ZERO WORK/ACTION to materialize an ASSYRIA.

Our people are abnormally plagued with tribalism, blind loyalty, and settlement of the status quo.  This is the anchor that is not allowing our unity and progressive ship to sail.

I.E.


  • [*]The Synod of 2005 had zero consideration for a "united Assyria front" where bishops involved in heavy scandals such as monetary and moral  crises were spared while one who had a minority progressive opinion and who was constantly preaching "Khooyada" was excommunicated.
    [br]
    [*]When offiicial spokespersons of the ACOE Synod call fellow Assyrians "Pagans" and "people who do not deserve to receive 'shlameh'," how is this a step towards a "united Assyrian front."?
    [br]
    [*]The self-professed leader of a sat station and familial political party who compulsively lies and fabricates stories about events in our Nation.  His only achievement thus far is creating a Cali based Satellite station and repeating the phrase "Khaya Atour." However these two things will not and never "mikimah" Atour.  Helping out the poor and denied in Iraq while risking bodily harm and martyrdom will.
    [br]
    [*]The Patriarch of the ACOE who supports, honors, and blesses the work of the KDP.  The same KDP that has mutilated our people not only physically, but culturally and politically as well.  And the same damned KDP that has adopted the policies of Saddam's Baath Party in areas of independent political parties suppression and ethnic cleansing (keeping religion, but eradicating ethnicity).

For more information about KDP phsyical oppression: http://www.themesopotamian.org/murder_and_oppression.htm and http://www.christiansofiraq.com/update.html

For information about KDP political check out aina.org as christiansofiraq.com for a sample: http://www.christiansofiraq.com/Kurdsritejune16.html

How can we adopt such utopian goals and yet support those who, either directly or indirectly, contradict and work actively against them?
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This thread was going to positively.
 
MikesBike said:
Senator_Danavi said:
Riza,

I agree and disagree.

The reasons why I agree:

Since we are talking about supporters, I generally believe that the masses truly envision and strive for unity, love, and peace.

The reasons why I disagree:


Although most supporters of these different and rivaling "sides" may have a pure but misled heart, I cannot fathom why such people with good intentions follow those entities/sides who may SPEAK and ENVISION unity, but their ACTIONS and RHETORIC is divisive, hurtful, and evil as well as conducting a policy of ZERO WORK/ACTION to materialize an ASSYRIA.

Our people are abnormally plagued with tribalism, blind loyalty, and settlement of the status quo.  This is the anchor that is not allowing our unity and progressive ship to sail.

I.E.


  • [*]The Synod of 2005 had zero consideration for a "united Assyria front" where bishops involved in heavy scandals such as monetary and moral  crises were spared while one who had a minority progressive opinion and who was constantly preaching "Khooyada" was excommunicated.
    [br]
    [*]When offiicial spokespersons of the ACOE Synod call fellow Assyrians "Pagans" and "people who do not deserve to receive 'shlameh'," how is this a step towards a "united Assyrian front."?
    [br]
    [*]The self-professed leader of a sat station and familial political party who compulsively lies and fabricates stories about events in our Nation.  His only achievement thus far is creating a Cali based Satellite station and repeating the phrase "Khaya Atour." However these two things will not and never "mikimah" Atour.  Helping out the poor and denied in Iraq while risking bodily harm and martyrdom will.
    [br]
    [*]The Patriarch of the ACOE who supports, honors, and blesses the work of the KDP.  The same KDP that has mutilated our people not only physically, but culturally and politically as well.  And the same damned KDP that has adopted the policies of Saddam's Baath Party in areas of independent political parties suppression and ethnic cleansing (keeping religion, but eradicating ethnicity).

For more information about KDP phsyical oppression: http://www.themesopotamian.org/murder_and_oppression.htm and http://www.christiansofiraq.com/update.html

For information about KDP political check out aina.org as christiansofiraq.com for a sample: http://www.christiansofiraq.com/Kurdsritejune16.html

How can we adopt such utopian goals and yet support those who, either directly or indirectly, contradict and work actively against them?
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You know very well that people can make similar claims of, (and I quote, in case the mods are watching) "evil, divisiveness, blind loyalty" to each and every one of those sides, you included.

This thread was going to positively.  I honestly thought this was going to be a positive thread.  It's a shame, really.
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Senator,

First off thanks for explaining your reason for the "No" vote (which I'm assuming was put in).

But let me just say that what you posted was the exact thing I'm talking about. Finding faults.

You and I both know (you more so) the faults within the ACOE and our much beloved Mr. Dadisho. But what are our similiarities? As the expression goes, look at the bright side. Well lets look at the bright side and work with it. Once major steps are made, then lets go and mend our differences. You can never expect to mend differences before you and the other side are on common ground.

Differences are resolved when both sides are willing to make changes. Right now, neither side has earned or gained the trust or support of the other side. Yes they are on two totally different ends of the scale. But as true citizens of our Assyrian nation, it should be our task to bring those two sides closer, rather then try to be the first to push the other over the edge...
 
I guess attempts at peace within our community just insn't that popular right about now...lol
 
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