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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #70 on: September 08, 2017, 01:38:43 AM »
We are all equal, but we are separate races. Kurds and Assyrians do not belong to the same race. We have different roots. Therefore Kurds and Assyrians have the right to have their own country separately. Assyrians belong to a different race than Kurds, therefore they deserve their own separate homeland where they are the majority.
You are right that we are two different peoples or races, if you will. My point was, we are still more homogeneous to the Kurds and Iranian than say, Yemenis, Qataris and Moroccans, considering our location and vicinity to Iranid peoples. Of course, that's NOT to say that Assyrians and Kurds are the same peoples. Just the same way humans are more closer to chimps than gorillas, that doesn't mean humans are now chimps. You have this notion that language families equals race. If that's so then Assyrians should be racially akin to Nigerians or Ethiopians, because they speak an Afro-Asiatic language, like we do. There's no logic in that.

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But I don't like the idea that Assyrians claim some land in the native lands of the Ezdi Kurds in northern Mesopotamia.
Why? We were never enemies of you guys. Not to mention, our ancient empire sprawled all over that place. Yes, you can have lands too, but why shouldn't we? Be fair, please. Why you're thinking like Sunni Kurds? You suffered under them. And so did we. Where should our native land be then?

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Also my people are 'more' related/connected to the Ubaid Sumerians than the Assyrians, because as Semitic people Assyrians are more related to the Semitic Levant people like the Jews. Assyrians are related to the Jews and Jews were NEVER native to the Northern Mesopotamia of directly related to the Sumerians.
Of course, Jews are native to the near east. But Assyrians are native to Mesopotamia. Just the same way Afghans are native to Afghanistan and Kurds to northern Iraq/Iran. Same races, different locations. And yes, numerous peoples can be native to one land. Yazidis have ties to Mesopotamia. But so do we. Why can't you accept this? At the end of the day, we are both tormented minorities under Islam. We should stand together.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2017, 09:38:59 PM »
are you trying to insult me and other Assyrians by equating us with Arabs and Muhammad or are you talking about my Arguments against Islam thread?

i was not at all , putting the religion aside i do not think that you are any different that an arabs , a turk or a kurd . Do you think you are better ?  You see that is the problem these days , everyone think they are special and it is the root of all the problems in ME , because the moment you think this way you will start looking down at others and they will  think and do exactly like you .
I will be honest Assyrian are nobody in Iraq and no one give them even a consideration and mostly sterotyped as cowards due to their peaceful approach . The kurds are labled as stupid by arabs hence all the jokes on kurd even on this site . The kurds view arabs as uneducated hence the term Arabi papati (bear feet arabs ) and so on .

It is what we do today that matter and to create a society where everyone can live in peace demand that we respect and accept others . I know it is not easy , because we are all taught that we are superior , but that is the only way forward . 

I think I'm realizing what you're talking but it's goes way beyond history and civilization, you're talking human behavior at this point.Realistically, if you lived in a time where everybody was a jerk, you're telling me you wouldn't be a jerk as well? :)
Also, by todays standards, of course they were thugs but they didn't know what we know now.

ohh , finally you get me . My point is that they were all thugs and expanded their empire at the expense of other nation , so I do not get it when a kurd or arab or turk or assyrian takes pride at what their ancestors did and claim they were glorious people .

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2017, 09:55:02 PM »
Muhammad was a warlord who wanted to convert others violently. His followers do the same today. Stop justifying this atrocity.

I could not agree more , when did i justify his atrocity ?

Assyrians, whilst violent, were normal peoples who had barbaric laws as did ancient Romans, Greeks, Mayans.

lololol , Assyrian were normal peoples who had barbaric laws? Which is it ? They were all thugs and glorified criminals including my own ancestors . 

Be thankful that today, we are not like that. Today, your Muslim friends are more akin to ancient Assyrians.
Assyrian went from ninava plain all the way to Egypt slaughtering every man woman and child  and then Other powers in the region united and slaughtered every Assyrian man woman and child they could find . Tell me what exactly i should be grateful for  ? As for islam and mohamd i think have made my views clear on the matter .




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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2017, 03:37:43 AM »
Yeah, but Assyrians as a Semitic race are still closer to the Semites in the Levant than to Kurds (Medes) & Persians.
I did not deny that we are closer to Levantines than to Kurds. Don't put words in my mouth.

But I deny the Semitic race, just as I do deny the Aryan race. Sorry, we have to agree to disagree here. You won't convince me.

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Assyrians are much more reelated in race, culture, language to people (Arabs/Semites) in let say Lebanon, than to Kurds. This is where you fail to understand.
Of course.

Again, did not deny that.

Morrocans, Egyptians and Qataris are NOT Levantines, and have little to no relations with us.

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Kurds and Persians have a total different roots. Our origins are totally different. We are Iranid (Aryan) people with our own culture, history, race and language. While Assyrians as Semitic people belong to a different group.
You say Aryan, I say Irano-Afghan. You say Semitic, I say Armenoid.

Again, let's agree to disagree.

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Becasue there ae only 2 million Ezdi Kurds in the world. We need other Kurdish brothers to survive as a RACE. Non-Ezdi Kurds belong to the same race as Ezdi. They speak the same language as Ezdi. Most of those people were Ezdi at the first place. If Ezdi Kurds try to separate themselves from other non-Ezdi Kurds, than our enemies have won. Our enemies want to divide us and destroy our roots. If we keep saying to other non-Ezdi Kurds who they really are we will never unite. And united is what makes our race stronger.
But your own Kurdish race are destroying you. Sunni Muslim Kurds. Ring a bell? Don't blame Assyrians.

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So, Assyrians are NOT more native to Mesopotamia than Kurds. You just can't claim land from the Kurds where Kurds are the majority. Because that land is our NATIVE homeland.
You just said we're native to Mesopotamia too! So of course, we'll need a land. Again, stop being so servile to Kurds when the majority of them want you dead for being a pagan Yazidi.

If the majority deserve rights and not the minority, then Yazidis shouldn't be given rights, because they're the minority too right? Lol.

Again, are you a Sunni Kurd in disguise? Are you a sockpuppet of that Kurdish user in here? You're getting way too obvious. Seriously.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2017, 04:10:08 AM »
I could not agree more , when did i justify his atrocity ?
Before, when we had an argument about Christianity versus Islam, you put Mohammad within the same leagues of Jesus, when I told you that they're incomparable. Don't know about you, but this sort of appeases Muhammad and trivializes his barbaric ways. You said a couple of more questionable things, but I forgot. Refer to that thread.

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lololol , Assyrian were normal peoples who had barbaric laws? Which is it ? They were all thugs and glorified criminals including my own ancestors.
 
1. Lol at yourself. You're really comparing armies and brutish kings with Assyrian civilians, such as scientists, discoverers and inventors. You do realize that they didn't kill anybody and that they helped shaped the Assyrian society that we cherish today?
2. Except, your ancestors did it no more than 100 years ago (rather than 2500 years ago). Of course, there were innocent Kurds and Turks who wanted peace. Not denying that.

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Assyrian went from ninava plain all the way to Egypt slaughtering every man woman and child  and then Other powers in the region united and slaughtered every Assyrian man woman and child they could find . Tell me what exactly i should be grateful for  ? As for islam and mohamd i think have made my views clear on the matter .
Not grateful for that at all. I have admitted that our empire was brutal, but so were the Greeks, Romans, Brits, Mayans and whatnot. Time is a big factor - Wounds take generations of generations to heal, otherwise Egyptians would be hating our guts today if we, say, slaughtered them in 1850s. But guess what? Egyptians loathe Israelis/Jews today, because of the Suez Canal crisis in the 1950s. They don't care about what we did to them two millenias ago. Put time in perspective.

Again, there were Assyrian architects, inventors, artists, doctors, etc, who paved a way for our people and were innovators. They were the backbones of our society. Not all Assyrians of those times were barbaric slayers of women and children. Not all were soldiers. Keep that in mind.

About Mohammad and Islam, my point was that today some people still act like him. Whereas modern Assyrians, thankfully, don't portray their former, 2000 year old selves.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2017, 07:45:26 AM »
Assyrians are also closer to Northern Africa than Kurds. Assyrians are closer to Morrocans, Egyptians and Qataris than Kurds. This is a fact and you don't like it! Why are you closer to Arabs than Kurds? Because you have the same Semitic roots with those people. You share the same ancestors.
Lmao. Because we speak the same language family? I got a better one - We're more closer to Nigerians and Somalians too, because they're an Afro-Asiatic peoples like us. Good logic.

We are actually more closer to Armenians than North Africans and Gulf Arabs. Kurds come next (doesn't mean they're of our race). And then the Levantine ethnic groups. Our tongue has nothing to do with anything!

Assyrians are native to Mesopotamia, genius. There's NO REASON why we would be related to North Africans. We would still be more homogeneous to Iranians and Kurds than to North Africans. Why are you disgusted? Go look at DNA charts. And I mean DNA charts that are not from 9000 years ago, when maybe we were akin to North Africans.

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Irano-Afghan = an ARYAN race, period!

Call it Irano-Afghan, call it Iranid, call it West-Iranian Zagros,  call it Aryan, they mean all the same and refer to Aryan people.
You can use Aryan as a synonym if you want. I don't care. For me, you are Iranid people in short.

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Levant people as a race ARE Semitic people. They are mostly a mixture between Arabid and Assyrid race.
At least you recognize the Assyrid race.

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Arabid, Assyrid races are all the same and are part of the Semitic race.
No such thing. There's more proof that an Armenoid race exists and that we all belong to it.

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Irano-Afghan, West Iranian Zagrosian = ARYAN race
Arabid, Assyrid = Semitic race
You use Semitic and Aryan to further some sort of a white supremacist agenda - I'm pretty sure Nazis used these terms to differentiate Germans (Aryans) and Jews (Semites). Stop emulating them. It's funny because you're western Asian and even less European than Assyrians are (who have Greek/Italian/Ashkenazim mix, but you know this). If an Afro-Asiatic race exists, then I would have east Africa in my DNA. But I do not.

There is a Levantine race. But not a Semitic race, since it's a friggin' language family. It's foolish and idiotic to put Egyptians and Moroccans with us, just because they speak a Semitic language.

Assyrians, Jews and Maronites, and to some extent, Jordanian and Syrian Christians definitely belong to our Levantine race. Gulf Arabs and North Africans do not. Why does that bother you?

P.S. Your gedmatch had Assyrian in it. Funny you're ignoring that....
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2017, 11:19:17 AM »
Before, when we had an argument about Christianity versus Islam, you put Mohammad within the same leagues of Jesus, when I told you that they're incomparable. Don't know about you, but this sort of appeases Muhammad and trivializes his barbaric ways. You said a couple of more questionable things, but I forgot. Refer to that thread.

I have an excellent memory :) and I stand by what i said , in my view Islam and Christianity are exactly the same and both books proves my point ? would you like some quotes ? How could me telling you they are the same makes me bias towards one ? just because you think one is better than the other means nothing to me as an atheist . I know as a christain you thing your religion is the true on despite the atrocities committed  , and muslims think the same way as you despite the atrocities committed . Mulsims and Christains killed more humans than all the world war combined and i do not get it how could that be a good thing !!! I want to draw a distinction here between Christianity and the fictional character of jesus , because they are not the same .
 
1. Lol at yourself. You're really comparing armies and brutish kings with Assyrian civilians, such as scientists, discoverers and inventors. You do realize that they didn't kill anybody and that they helped shaped the Assyrian society that we cherish today?

2. Except, your ancestors did it no more than 100 years ago (rather than 2500 years ago). Of course, there were innocent Kurds and Turks who wanted peace. Not denying that.
Not grateful for that at all. I have admitted that our empire was brutal, but so were the Greeks, Romans, Brits, Mayans and whatnot. Time is a big factor - Wounds take generations of generations to heal, otherwise Egyptians would be hating our guts today if we, say, slaughtered them in 1850s. But guess what? Egyptians loathe Israelis/Jews today, because of the Suez Canal crisis in the 1950s. They don't care about what we did to them two millenias ago. Put time in perspective.

Ok , so they we not Normal/barbaric  and i did not mean to laugh at you , but the statement was too contradictory  , so i could not help myself and stating they they were surrounded by Barbaric armies of greek and persian does not validate their barbarism . Before you get offended i will tell you that my ancestors were thugs too , so was the Assyrian and the egyptian . They were all thugs and glorified criminals , so there is really no need to defend them or validate their barbarism like you are doing . The end result was that the others did to Assyrian what assyrian  did to them and brought Assyrian to the edge of extinction .

Again, there were Assyrian architects, inventors, artists, doctors, etc, who paved a way for our people and were innovators. They were the backbones of our society. Not all Assyrians of those times were barbaric slayers of women and children. Not all were soldiers. Keep that in mind.

Come on and enough with this useless pride which is nothing more than a balloon . What was it exactly that Assyrian invented that other civilization did not ? what wisdom they gave to this world that other civilization did not ?

About Mohammad and Islam, my point was that today some people still act like him. Whereas modern Assyrians, thankfully, don't portray their former, 2000 year old selves.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2017, 02:53:30 PM »
I have an excellent memory :) and I stand by what i said , in my view Islam and Christianity are exactly the same and both books proves my point ? would you like some quotes ? How could me telling you they are the same makes me bias towards one ? just because you think one is better than the other means nothing to me as an atheist . I know as a christain you thing your religion is the true on despite the atrocities committed  , and muslims think the same way as you despite the atrocities committed . Mulsims and Christains killed more humans than all the world war combined and i do not get it how could that be a good thing !!! I want to draw a distinction here between Christianity and the fictional character of jesus , because they are not the same .
You sound like the retarrds in the USA who think socialism or communism is better than capitalism.
They too think Islam and Christianity are the same, we call them Social Marxists and Americans like me credit them for Donald Trump's victory in the election.

Come on and enough with this useless pride which is nothing more than a balloon . What was it exactly that Assyrian invented that other civilization did not ? what wisdom they gave to this world that other civilization did not ?

luckily I have saved a list for this...

Farming.
Wheel.
Irrigation.
Seed Plow.
Ox Drawn Plow.
Mortar & Pestle.
Sickle & Flint Blade.
Domestication of Animals.
Dams.
Cultivation of Grains.
Levees.

Food:
Beer.
Wine.
Saffron.
Frying Pans.
Drinking Straws.

Mathematics:
Number 0.
24 Hours in a Day.
Longitude & Latitude.
60 minutes in an Hour.
Pythagorean Theorem.
360 Degrees in a Circle.
60 seconds in a Minute.

Science:
Zodiac.
Bleaching.
Astronomy.
Scuba Diving.
Medical Writing.
Formal Medicine.
Chemical Battery.
Medical Prescriptions.
Metalworking.
Anesthesia
Opium.
First brain surgery.

Architecture:
Arch.
Glass.
Dome.
Hearth.
Houses.
Column.
Fountain

City Building.
City.
Guest Houses.
Rosette Design.
Mailing System.
Urban Plumbing.
Archimedes' Screw.
Cobblestone Streets.
Bitumen.
Provinces.
Aqueduct.
Lock & Key.
Skyscrapers.
Chain Pump.

Entertainment:
Oud.
Song.
Harp.
Library.
Woodwinds
Sheet Music.
Creation Story.
Backgammon.
Mermaid Mythology.
First Superhero (Gilgamesh).
First Epic Novel (Gilgamesh).
Poetry.
concept of Zombies (undead that eat the flesh of the living)
concept of Vampires (blood sucking demons)

War:
Axe.
Spear.
Armor.
Helmet.
Dagger.
Lances.
Chariot.
Hammer.
early Greek Fire.
Use of Calvary.
Battering Rams.
Underwater Tunnel.
Movable Towers.
War Horse Decorations.
Incendiary arrows
Exploding pots (early grenades)

Miscellaneous:
Kiln.
Razor.
Sailboat.
First CEOs.
The Lens.
Judical Code of Laws.
First Writing System (Cuneiform).
1 of the 7 Wonders of the World.
Rose Quartz.
Soap.
concept of Federalism.
Funerary Objects.
Shaving Cream.
Map.
The Cart.
Umbrellas.
The First University (School of Nisibis).
Banknotes (drafts).

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2017, 04:55:55 PM »
You sound like the retarrds in the USA who think socialism or communism is better than capitalism.
They too think Islam and Christianity are the same, we call them Social Marxists and Americans like me credit them for Donald Trump's victory in the election.

Reply instead of throwing one of your ISM or IST or insults .

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Almost everyone claim this list  . Let me guess your response here :) they stole it from Assyrian right ? .
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2017, 05:13:21 PM »
Reply instead of throwing one of your ISM or IST or insults .
I don't refute BS with more BS. I'm an IT guy, not a college professor. I like it quick and short

Almost everyone claim this list  . Let me guess your response here :) they stole it from Assyrian right ? .
true, anyone can claim anything, but if they have the archaeological evidence that says "we made/discovered this first" then I'll concede to that.

For example, Beer wasn't actually discovered by Sumerians BUT they get the credit for it because they were the first to document the recipe to make beer.

Here's a better, modern day example.

Let's say there's this folk song with variations of it across the Middle East. Kurds have their variation, Arabs theirs, Armenians theirs, Assyrians ours.
By general law and etiquette, whoever records the song on a playable medium first is credited (and maybe copyrighted) to them.
So if an Arab or Kurdish singer was the first to record it, the song is credited to them even though the song isn't theirs.

It's all about documentation. This is why we archive things and study them.

This is also the number 1 reason why I never use any kind of source material from the Middle East. Everybody there, even Assyrians who got PhDs there, got an inferior education unless they got that degree from a school in Europe, Australia, or NA.

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« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2017, 11:19:03 PM »
I have an excellent memory :) and I stand by what i said , in my view Islam and Christianity are exactly the same and both books proves my point ? would you like some quotes ? How could me telling you they are the same makes me bias towards one ? just because you think one is better than the other means nothing to me as an atheist . I know as a christain you thing your religion is the true on despite the atrocities committed  , and muslims think the same way as you despite the atrocities committed . Mulsims and Christains killed more humans than all the world war combined and i do not get it how could that be a good thing !!! I want to draw a distinction here between Christianity and the fictional character of jesus , because they are not the same .
Quoting the Old Testament will prove how Judaism is almost akin to Islam. The Old Testament is NOT the fundamental scripture of Christianity. And this is fact. Christianity's central figure is Jesus, and Islam's is Muhammad. Christians have killed a lot people in the past for sure. But today, they are not doing that. And no, the World Wars and Nazism had nothing to do Christianity, just the same way the Saddam regime had nothing to do with Islam. Christianity and Islam are not equally bad religions today (remember, the keyword is today). In the middle ages, sure, I will be saying that Christians are worse. Today is a different story. You surely have to admit this. It is fact. Otherwise you're just sympathizing and moderating Islam ("hey Islam, I know you're bad and all, but dw sweetie Christianity is also just like you"). ;)

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Ok , so they we not Normal/barbaric  and i did not mean to laugh at you , but the statement was too contradictory  , so i could not help myself and stating they they were surrounded by Barbaric armies of greek and persian does not validate their barbarism . Before you get offended i will tell you that my ancestors were thugs too , so was the Assyrian and the egyptian . They were all thugs and glorified criminals , so there is really no need to defend them or validate their barbarism like you are doing . The end result was that the others did to Assyrian what assyrian  did to them and brought Assyrian to the edge of extinction .
Yes, except I was defending our peaceful scholars, artists, educators, scientists. How could you call them barbaric and thuggish? That's like me saying all Kurds and Turks are savages because of what some of their ancestors did to us in 1914. It's too extreme, is it? You're thinking of ancient Assyrians the same way an old, ignorant, conservative Assyrian would think of Turks and Kurds. Don't go there, please. Again, you have to realize that Assyrian was a pluralistic society. It had brutal leaders, but also was a free society with innocent, hard-working civilians like you and I. Why are you denying that SIDE of Assyria? Same thing with ancient Greece, Persia, Rome. They also had good, prolific people too. You cannot trivialize them and throw them in the trash.

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Come on and enough with this useless pride which is nothing more than a balloon . What was it exactly that Assyrian invented that other civilization did not ? what wisdom they gave to this world that other civilization did not ?
You're being too cynical, are you not? It's okay to be proud of your ancestors and their societal living. The Chinese are, the Japs are, the Brits, Persians, Greeks, Macedonians, Italians, etc. You're going to have to convince 70% of the world to forget about their ancestors. Come on.

Sure, no civilization is more superior than the other. But it's nice to look back at your own people and be like "wow, I am so proud of their artwork, their architecture, etc". This is human nature. What are you going to tell us next, "don't like Assyrian music", "don't watch Hollywood movies", "boycott anime"? I'm pretty sure in a thousand years people will look back at these mediums and be in awe. You can't stop them.

Sorry, but I admire our architecture and artwork. NOT us killing people and pulverizing cities, of course. What is wrong with that?

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lots of Good people are working on solution for islam as a disease  . The next stage will be make a spray that will De-IIslamasize .


Lol. We need like millions of these sprays.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2017, 11:54:06 PM »
No way Assyrians are closer to the Kurds than they are to the Levant people as Arabs in Lebanon. You are the same people and belong to the same race. You language has everything to do with everything. It language betrayes your origin. You can claim whatever you want, but your language is a fact and will go nowhere. Your language is AFRO-Asiatic and it will like that FOREVER!
People will always know who you are because of your native language. And you are a Semites, because your native language is Semitic/Afro-Asiatic.

You have an inferiority complex, because you don't want to accept REALITY. It is what it is.
I made a mistake. I meant, Levantines are the closest, followed by Armenians and then, go a few light years ahead, Kurds.

Gulf Arabs and North Africans are not even in our vicinity.

And you are not European, just because your language is Indo-European.

And languages are not races. I think I know who has a inferiority complex. It's obviously you. According to your own logic, you should European and we should be African, because our language families have the words European and Afro in them, respectively. You are so pitiful.

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You are closer to Lebanese people and the Jews than to the Kurds.
100% true. Did not deny that (not counting the blunder I made above).

For me, Kurds, Iranians and Afghans (generally) look homogeneous and distinct. And they (usually) look nothing like Assyrians and Levantines, especially Afghans. So I agree with you here.

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It is actually YOU who is obsessed with being white and obsessed with European. Because I do NEVER talk about the European or 'white' people.
Coming from someone who is OBSESSED with saying that they're from the NORTH, being "ARYAN" and speaking an Indo-EUROPEAN language (as if it's a race), whilst looking "DOWN" at those who speak an Afro-Asiatic language (as if it's an African race) and thinking of them as they're African ("Afro-Asiatic" - a bona fide race). That all speaks volumes about you. You desperately want to be Nordic when you're not. You're being really discreet and subtle about it. But I can tell and see through your agenda. ;)

You have to be a troll now. I've stopped taking you seriously, especially when you're repeating the ridiculous idea that Afro-Asiatic is a race. Sorry bub, both Afro-Asiatic and Indo-European are not races. Not to sound harsh or break your spirit, you are more like Assyrians and Arabs than like other Indo-Europeans like the Germans and Irish. Ouch. That gotta hurt you.  :lol:

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It is YOU who always start to talk about them. I talks always about Sumerians and Aryans, while you talk always about 'white' people and Europeans. You are a Semite who is a WANNABE white person and WANNABE European.
Funny thing is, Semites are usually more whiter than Kurds and Iranians in general. And there are European Semites - the Maltese.

Again, you use Semite and Aryan because the Nazis used these terms to differentiate Middle Easterners and Nordics (as they had no other words). You think you sound superior, because it's the only way you can distinguish Assyrians and Kurds (one is Semitic speaking and the other is Indo-Aryan). Other than that, you know deep inside that both are Middle Eastern ethnic groups that even look the same to the foreign eye. As races, they are both obsolete terms. People will know us by Middle Eastern or western Asian. NOT Semitic, Aryan, Caucasian, etc. Must suck a lot, I know.

Again, try Armenoid. That has more scientific substance (and it's still BS to an extent). Not your language family.

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You can think whatever you are, but you are NOT like me, and you are definitely NOT Iranid/Aryan
Why do you talk like a troll? You sound like you're pretending to be someone else to make them look bad. Are you an Arab making Kurds look bad? A Kurd making Yazidis look bad? Honestly, you sound so insincere and over the top here ("you are not like me"). Come out, and quit being a fake

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Levantine race is a Semitic race, because ALL Semitic people have the Levant farmer DNA in them, the more Levant farmer DNA they have, the MORE Semites they are.
You're too ignorant that it's not funny. Ethiopians, Somalis, Moroccans, Algerians, all Semitic speaking, and they don't come from the Levant at all. Again, Levant farmers are modern day Syrians and Lebanese. Assyrians were always in Mesopotamia. If they were ever in the Levant, they just passed through it as they migrated out of Africa (just like you did).

Give me a source that says Assyrians were Levant farmers. And if they were, who cares, the Levant is adjacent to Mesopotamia. Btw, northern Iraq (Mesopotamia) is even considered to be part of the greater Levant region. So go figure.



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You forgot Semitic Arabs from Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestina etc. All belong to the same race as you. They are all your people and you share all the same roots.

Assyrians, Arabs and Jews are all Semitic people. Your racial brother ARE Arabs, period.
Wrong. We are NOT like all Arabs from Iraq and Syria, especially the Muslim ones who have Saudi ancestry. Just the same way you are not akin to Afghans who have Mongoloid in them. You are still more like an Assyrian than that Afghani person with an epicanthal fold.

Assyrian, Arabs and Jews are Semitic-speaking you dimwit. Not a race for the billionth time. Stop your foolish trolling. Again, you're obviously a fake account with an agenda. You cannot be real.

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Not even in my top 15. And that was mostly because Assyrians have some Aryan/Ezdi Kurdish/Sumerian DNA in them...
God forbid you have a Semitic ethnicity in you! Must really suck. Oh I thought you we are NOTHING like you. But I guess not now huh?

P.S It wasn't top 15. It was more like top 12. Don't lie bub. Assyrian was up there. Why? Because ethnic groups are a continuum. The more east you go the more Iranid you'll be and the more west you are the more Mediterranean and North African you will be. But for you it's all black and white.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2017, 11:44:16 PM »
LMAO, our Aryan language is NOT from Europe at all and has always been native in Kurdistan. While Afro-Asiatic language can be from (Eastern) Africa. We still are not sure, whether Semitic evolved int he Southern Levant, near Yemen or in Eastern Africa.
You're right that we don't know where the Semitic language evolved from. But if it did evolve in Eastern Africa (which I doubt), that doesn't mean we are an eastern African race you simpleton. Heard of language adaptations? We adopted the Semitic languages. Just the same way we adopted Aramaic. Does that mean we're friggin' Arameans now? Lol. You're so vacant-minded. Read between the lines a bit?

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You see ghosts. You see things because you want to see this things. You see this kind of things because YOU are obsessed with kind of things.
Coming from a Nazi wannabe who puts Aryan and Semitic a million times in his posts to show how "superior" he is, when he is NOT that different to Semites visually and culturally. Lol.

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While should I be something if I'm, my culture and my race are superior to other races. My Aryan race is superior to the European race. When my Aryan race found civilization, people in Europe were cannibals.
Napoleon syndrome at its finest. Europe was prospering and flourishing with civilizations whilst you were mountain dwellers. Just saying.

Again, you're a troll. You gotta be a sockpuppet of another Kurdish user in here who wants to make Yazidis look bad. You are so inauthentic. You gotta be an act.

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Good for you if you think that your Afro-Asiatic. Semitic people are whiter than Aryans. All what I'm sure about that my ARYAN ancestors have always been looking  like my current race. The Sumerians, the Medes etc. were IRANID of Aryan race like Kurds.
And Kurds look no different to Assyrians and Arabs to the foreign eye. Lol. You are so pathetic. Keep on trolling. Even your fellow Kurds here think you're a joke.
 
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Assyrians and some Arabs ae somehow closer to Kurds because my Aryan people spread their DNA in the whole world. Some Arabs have maybe up to 10% of our Aryan DNA. But that 10% of our DNA doesn't make them like us, because they are still Semitic and have their own Semitic roots.
No such thing as Aryan DNA. Dimwit. You also have Arab/Assyrian DNA anyway. Lmao.

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one again, LMAO.  Once again, Aryans are not and were NEVER 'Nordic' or European to start with. When my Aryan people found the FIRST Aryan Empire. people in Northern Europe especially Slavic people were subhumans like monkeys. They were cannibals, read the ancient writings of the Greek writers. My Aryan people were always more evolved in their thinking and culture than Semitic people or people in Europe.
At least today they've evolved immensely, whilst some of your Iranid peoples have DEVOLVED. Terrorism, genital mutilation, wife beatings, wife burning, forced burkas, public hanging of gays, child marriage, etc. Look at your Iran and Afghanistan you BLIND man first. Look at your "HUMANE" Iranid brothers and then call other people inferior! Iranians, Kurds and Afghans have done the most harshest things in recent history, even to Yazidis. Go on, keep defending them and their "purity".

But you're obviously not a Yazidi. You're a Sunni Kurd. So who am I talking to...

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You are a Semites and belong to a Semitic race, because your DIRECT ancestors where you got your language from were Semitic. You are like your ancestors. And your ancestors belonged to a Afro-Asiatic Semitic race.
Still doesn't make you European. Try harder.

You are Middle Eastern. You are western Asian. What sets up apart from other Middle Easterners is your TONGUE. But nothing else. Deal with it.

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You share the same Semitic roots with Jews and Arabs. You history and roots are like their history and roots. That makes you the same Semitic people who belong to the same Semitic race.
Risible trolling again. Of course, Assyrians are racially homogeneous to Yemenis and Somalis, because Semitic = DUH!

Also, Jamaicans are Indo-European peoples because they speak English = DUH!

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Your language and race is from the same area where the Neolithic Levant Farmers were from area between East Africa and South West Asia. You language betrays your roots and your roots are Semitic Afro-Asiatic. Roots of your race are Afro-Asiatic/Semitic. Your race is Semitic

My roots are from the Iranian Plateau, the Aryan Zagros Mountains were the Neolithic proto-Aryan Iranian Farmers were from. My language is from the Iranian Plateau, Zagros, that why my race is from the Iranian Plateau/Zagros. That makes my race Iranid aka ARYAN. Iranid and ARYAN are same words that have the same meaning. Iranian/Iranid and Aryan sound a little bit different because these words are from different dialects.

I - R - A - N - I - A  = A - R - Y - A


(West) Iranid = ARYAN and Aryan = (West) Iranid



Original Assyrians, your direct Semitc ancestors were like the Levant_BA (Levant Bronze Age). Because modern day people in Lebanon are very, very similar, almost identical to the Levant_BA.

Assyrians, Lebanese are almost the same and belong to the same Afro-Asiatic race.


Kurds, at least my DNA, is very similar to the Iran_CHL (Iran Copper Age).

And here can you see how much Neolithic Levant Farmer DNA those Levant_BA do have.

Neolithic Levant Farmer DNA is till the MAJORITY in your genepool. That makes YOUR race Semitic. Period!!!

Yellow is Neolithic Levant Farmer, orange is Neolithic Iran Farmer.


As you can see I've got more of the orange (Iranian) auDNA, while you have more the yellow (Semitic) auDNA. That makes my Aryan race different from your Semitic race. We are absolutely NOT the same!!

Kurds = Iran_CHL
Assyrians = Levant_BA




You obtuse, irrational fool, where is Assyrian in your charts? You want us to be with Levantines because that's your biased agenda. These charts don't categorize Assyrian under Levantine. But you DO see charts putting us under Armenoid, with Armenians and Lebanese people - But you must hate those because they go against your Afro-Asiatic versus Aryan agenda. And again, YOUR CHARTS are based from 9000 years ago when Assyrians didn't exist (Lol) - It's the best you can do. You're so pathetic. Find something more recent or shut your ignoramus trolling trap.

Try again with your charts. I'll sit and wait here. Your trolling attempt has now has gone below 0. You were at least more coherent and rational before. But feel free to continue this BS. I have indulged you too much, but you are becoming funnier and funnier, my Indo-"European" friend.

P.S. Sorry, Aryan is Sanskrit for "noble one". It's a culture of India. Has nothing to do with Kurds. You are Indo-Iranian or Iranid. You can use Aryan to identify yourself but you'll look stupid since that term is affiliated with Germanic people more TODAY. Sucks for ya, I guess. Above all, you are still MIDDLE EASTERN and everyone outside will SEE YOU AS SUCH. :giggle:
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #83 on: September 12, 2017, 10:32:54 AM »
LMAO, are you still keep talking about 'Europe', while I do talk about ARYANS and the Iranian Plateau all the time. OMG, you Assyrians and your Semitic race people are obsessed with Europe and the 'white' people that you defend them. You act like black Africans who are also obsessed with 'white' people. Maybe you try to act like 'white' person, but Assyians are not 'white' Europeans. And that hurts. So you do attack the true ARYAN people FROM the Iranian Plateau, Zagros Mountains and Northern Mesopotamia, the ARYAN Kurds.

Lol "Semitic" and "Aryan" yet again. Nobody even cares about these terms, nor where your "Aryan" Kurds come from... :lol:

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Your obsession with 'white' people and skin colour is similar with the obsession of Black African with the 'white' people. Maybe it is because of your AFRO-Asiaitc roots. Maybe everybody with AFRO in their roots is obessed with colour 'white'?

Your obsession with 'Aryan' people is similar with the obsession of other Iranians with the 'white' people. Maybe it is because of your IRANID roots. Maybe everybody with Iranid in their roots is obsessed with colour 'white'? And they are:  :giggle:

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Indo-European doesn't mean European, lol. Indans are also Indo-Europeans. INDO - European means actually area between India and Europe. And Kurdistan is exactly between India and Europe. Maybe you don't know the meaning of ‘INDO’???

Lol. Georgians are between India and Europe too and they don't speak Indo-European languages. They speak a Kartvelian language. I'm betting they're of a "Kartvelian race" to you now? :giggle:

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Assyrians are not Armenoid people. You are a wannabe 'white' persona and also a wannabe 'Armenoid' person. Maybe some Assyrians are a MIXED race and are partly Armenoid. But Assyrians are Arabid and Assyrid. Assyrid itself is a mixed race between Arabid & Armenoid. But Assyrians are not fully Armenoid. PERIOD!

Assyrians are an Armenoid race, including Palestinians, Lebanese and a few Iranians. You are just jealous and vexed that it goes against your Semitic vs Aryan agenda.  :wavetowel:

There is no such thing as Semitic and Aryan races. Just let go of your fantasies or stop confusing language families with races. Oh wait, you never comprehended that before. I forgot that you are dense and obtuse. Yes, every language family is a race. Just like all the language families in North America and Australia. All Native Americans and Australian aboriginals have different races because hundreds of language families exist within the native tongues of those continents.  :mrgreen:

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Assyrians are NOT ARYAN people and so you are not like me. As long you don't try to claim the same roots, it's okay for me if you want to be 'white' or even Armenia, lmao!

The awkward moment when Armenians are not even white/Euro. They are west Asian people, and they are the most racially homogeneous people to us. Love how this makes you burn and weep. :roflmao:

Assyrians, Armenians, Jews, Phoenicians, Sumerians, Syrians and Lebanese people are all of the same race. You, Iranians, Afghans, Pakistanis are something else, and have origins to the east. Go figure.

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Assyrians belong to the same race as Semitic, Arabic Lebanese people. You are all the same. Assyrians are like the Lebanese ARABS. You ae CLOSER to the Arabs than to the Armenians. You have some connection with Armenians due to some Ancient Anatolian DNA. And now they found out that Arabs in Lebanon are identical to the Bronze Age Levant people. Here is a scientific FACT:

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8

*Cough* Look at how "pure" Kurds and Iranians are. You guys have like every Eurasian ethnicity in you. Lol.

" Based on this study it turns out that people who lived in Lebanon almost 4,000 years ago were quite similar to people who lived there today, to the modern Lebanese. "

Lol. Because a study of Lebanese people (from 4,000 years ago) is also clearly speaking about Assyrians. How could I not know?  :bangin:

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Assyrians are like Arabs from Lebanon, that means that Assyrians are still closer to their origin in the Levant and the Arabian Pensula that to the Mesopotamia, no matter how mixed race you are and how much you are mixed with the Anatolian people, aka Armenians.

"Arabian peninsula". Lol. Troll more. Actually, go further. Say we're Eastern Africans whilst at it. Shows that you suffer from inferior complexity and want all races near you to be of "lesser" races (in your eyes that is), when that it isn't the case. But of course, I'm the white wannabe.  :lol:

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Now, I see it, lol. You are also a wannabe Armenian, LMAO. I feel sorry for you, beacue youa re the only race on this planet who wants to be Armenian. LOL.

Who wouldn't. Peaceful people, hard-working, friendly, etc - So unlike modern Iranid people who have caused terrorism, genital mutilation, women degrading, gay executions... Not to mention that MODERN charts agree that we are INCREDIBLY SIMILAR to them. So that's not me talking.



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But you have still to determine what you are. You have an IDENITY CRISES. You wannabe 'white' person and even a wannabe Armenian. Why do you hate your Semitic so much? With self hating you will not achieve anything. You ae who you are, you can't change it. Just accept it and make the best of it. You belong to a AFRO-Asiatic race, just time to move on and make the best of it..

I love my Semitic language, as we are one of the oldest language families in the world (after our older Sumerian language isolate). But a language group is not a race you simpleton. Just the same way I love my mum and I'm proud of her, that doesn't mean I also see her in a sexual way and yet get called "you're ashamed" for not doing so. Lol. That's how retarded your thinking is. :roflmao:

But your trolling is amazing. You NOW think Afro-Asiatic is a race, and yet you're quiet about Indo-European being a race (even though deep inside you believe it Lol). Can you be more funnier? Come out, man. Don't keep a bro hanging. What are you? Arab? Sunni Kurdish? Or something else that I wouldn't suspect? You're funny and entertaining, I give you that.

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Semitic Assyrians are like the modern Semitic Arab Lebanese. Assyrians & Arabs are ALL the same and belong to the same SEMITIC race. You like it or not. And now we have scientific FACTS that your people are connected to the Levant. Your people have nothing to do with the ARYAN Mesopotamian civilization in Northern Mesopotamia. Semites are destroyers and not builders.

Semites are just good at copy/paste. They never invented anything. Assyrians, Jews, Arabs only copy from others and and say they invented it, LMAO. This is how Semites are, they are thieves. Your Assyrian people are trying to steal the ARYAN history of Northern Mesopotamia, but as long my true ARYAN people exist on this planet it will never happen. Everybody knows that ARYAN history of the Northern Mesopotamia belongs to the ARYAN (West Iranid) people the Kurds. Once again, ARYAN Kurds are native to the ZAGROS Mountains and the NORTH Mesopotamia. NOT from the Levant, not from Europe. But from the Northern Mesopotamia, Zagros = the IRANIAN PLATEAU.

Aryan, Semite, Aryan, Semite, Aryan, Semite....

Hey look, I'm a culturally confused, land-stealing Kurd who think he's a Nazi.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #84 on: September 12, 2017, 04:36:56 PM »
I do care. And it is what matters to me. This kind of division makes me think clear. Kurds are from Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros Mountains. While Assyrians are from the Levant & the Arabian Peninsula.
I am NOT responsible what other think say and do.

I will use the word ARYAN because it is part of me. It is part of my history. It is me. Aryan is what I am. Therefore I will use this word every time I can. I'm not ashamed of it and never be. I'm proud of it and I'm proud that I'm, like my ancestors were, part of the ARYAN history and civilization. As long as I do exists and as long as my people exist, the word ARYAN will be used.
There are maybe MAX 4 million Georgians. Kurdistan is more in the CENTER than Georgian. But it doesn't even matter. This doesn't not make any difference to what language Kurds speak or to what race Kurds do belong and Kurds speak an Aryan language and belong to an ARYAN race.

Btw, Georgians are ARYAN, because they have a lot Neolithic Iranian Plateau DNA in them. The Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA is dominant in Georgians.
Assyrians are Assyrid and Arabid, while Palestinians and Lebanese are just Arabid.

Semitic is a language group but ALSO a race because ALL Semites have the same ROOTS. Like ARYAN is a language group, but also a race.

Semitic = race & language
Aryan = race & language

Assyrians are the CLOSEST related to the Arabs in the Levant, like Lebanese Arab Christians & Muslim. Why? Because you are from the same URHEIMAT and from the same genepool. Assyrians belong to the same Semitic race because ancestors of the Assyrians were Semitic tribes. You language group IS your race, because you ALL share the same origin, deep roots.
Thanks for your input, but your charts are not scientific at all and NOT based on scientific papers. I don't where those samples are form and from what kind of 'population' (N). Also your charts are not detailed and NOT specified.

I showed you the ACADEMIC distribution of auDNA. I'm always using the ACADEMIC papers and source as my argumentation about human DNA.

The closest relatives to Assyrians are Arabs from the Levant, Iraq and Syria. The closest people to Assyrians are the Semitic Lebanese people. And we have now EVIDENCE that modern Lebanese people are similar to their ancient SEMTIC ancestors 4000 years ago. The DNA of Lebanese people is still very Semitic. Assyrians are similar to the Lebanese Semitic people. You cluster together, that's why you should search for your roots in the Levant.
Don't put words in my mouth. Semitic is a race, because you all share the same deep roots and the same origin/ancestors. You are all from the same URHEIMAT.

European is NOT a race, since in Europe live many different races.
Like Asian is not a race, since in Asia live many different races.

And I do talk about Iranid race aka the Aryans. Europeans are NOT 1 race and definitely NOT Aryans at all, only Iranians who belong to an IRANID race (Medes & Persians) are ARYAN. Ancient Greeks, Germanic race tribes, Celtic race tribes, Slavic race tribes were NEVER Aryans and never called themselves Aryans. Greek historians never called themselves Aryans, the Roman Empire never called itself Aryan etc. Their ancestors were NEVER Aryans. Aryans were NOT from Europe, but from the Iranian Plateau. Europeans don't have much of the ARYAN 'Iranian Plateau' DNA.
Indians are not Aryans. True, Aryans from BMAC invaded India, but Indians have to much South Asian (Dravidian) auDNA. Indians don't have much of the Iranian Plateau auDNA left in them.

Kurds belong to an Aryan race, because our language is Aryan. And the native language of our ancestors was also ARYAN. Kurds belong to an Aryan race, becaus Kurds are genetically connected to Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros/Iranian Plateau which was also the native homeland of the ancient Aryans the Medes.

Actually, speaking of Georgians, Georgians today don't speak Aryan. But they do belong to an Aryan race. Georgians tribes like Colchis were for thousands of years under infleucne of the Aryan tribes. Ask Georgians if you don't believe, it has been said sad many Georgian 'Eastern' tribes came originally from the Iranian Plateau.

" Eastern Georgia, throughout its history, has been several times been annexed by the Persian Empire, specifically under the Achaemenid, Parthian, Sassanid, Safavid, Afsharid and Qajar dynasties. Western Georgia, throughout its history had been annexed by the Persian Achaemenids, Sassanids and Afsharids. Due to this, there has been a lot of political, cultural and ethnic exchange between the two nations for thousands of years, and thus Georgia was and is often considered a part of Greater Iran "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93Iran_relations

History of Iranian-Georgian Relations

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/georgia-ii-history-

Remember that there are 4 million Georgians while more than 100 million Aryans (West Iranids).

Aryans are ancient people who are NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau and are full of Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA. Aryans were those who build the first villages, cities, had the first urban laws, civil societies etc. Aryans gave birth to the human civilization. Because of Aryans the cultures in the Mesopotamia, Indus Valley flourished.



You SEMITIC race people are acting like our Aryan Kurdish worst enemies and when you act like our enemies you will be threated like our worst enemies. You are the same as Turks who deny Kurdish race. And therefore if you will not watch out you will be threated like Turks by my Aryan people...





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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #85 on: September 13, 2017, 06:45:48 AM »
I do care. And it is what matters to me. This kind of division makes me think clear. Kurds are from Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros Mountains. While Assyrians are from the Levant & the Arabian Peninsula.

You dare call us JUST Arabs/Levatine. That's the tip of the iceberg. Semites come from Eastern Africa. Our language evolved there. So specifically, OUR race is eastern Africa, Somalian, Arabid, Afro-Asiatic, northwest Semitic, eastern Aramaic, northeast Aramaic with cream and strawberry on top.   :wavetowel:

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I am NOT responsible what other think say and do.

Honestly, go watch these Iranian/Aryan videos. Completely obsessed with the white race and white Iranians. Why? They know Aryan means EUROPEAN and WHITE. Go ask them, not me. I'm the messenger here.

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Btw, Georgians are ARYAN, because they have a lot Neolithic Iranian Plateau DNA in them. The Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA is dominant in Georgians.
Lol. I thought you'd say they're a Kartvelian race because their langauge family is that. But hey, at least you're getting somewhere now...

Assyrians are Assyrid and Arabid, while Palestinians and Lebanese are just Arabid.

Assyrians are Assyrid and Armenoid because we f*cked and bred with Armenians. We do have Arabid in us for sure, just like Iranians who converted to Islam and got mixed with a few Arabs. So nobody's saying they're all pure.

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Semitic is a language group but ALSO a race because ALL Semites have the same ROOTS. Like ARYAN is a language group, but also a race.

So is Armenoid and Mediterranid, and Assyrians fall under them in some racial categorizations. But you avoid to use those terms as they go against you're Semitic vs Aryan agenda. Amazing. You go by Semitic because, again, Nordics used the terms to differentiate the "superior" (Aryan/Nordic) and "inferior" races (Semites, Slavs, blacks, gypsies and pretty much all the f**ng world).

Didn't I tell you that Semitic is biblical? Remember Shem? The guy that supposedly gave birth to Arabs, Jews and Assyrians. That's where "Semitic" came from. And the term is the most obsolete racial category. Genealogists go with more scientific terms such as Armenoid and Mediterannid much more than Semitic. They know the term is FICTIONAL. Can't believe as a Yazidi you believe in Abrahamic/Jewish BS.

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Assyrians are the CLOSEST related to the Arabs in the Levant, like Lebanese Arab Christians & Muslim. Why? Because you are from the same URHEIMAT and from the same genepool. Assyrians belong to the same Semitic race because ancestors of the Assyrians were Semitic tribes. You language group IS your race, because you ALL share the same origin, deep roots.

And I did say Assyrians are related to Lebanese people. Love how you're backpedaling, because you didn't point out that we are AFRO-ASIATIC. Lol. What happened?

Dude, the Semitic urheimat can be in Tanzania for all I care, that doesn't mean Assyrians are now Tanzanians. YOUR language family has ties in central Asia (Indo-European urheimate). So what the hell are you doing in Iraq? Get the logic. I'm now being as obtuse as you. Newsflash, people migrate. Btw, Assyrians were always in Mesopotamia. The Semitic languages were brought in to us, just like Aramaic did (when we spoke Akkadian) - Are we Aramean now? So no, language doesn't always equal race nor ethnicity.

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Thanks for your input, but your charts are not scientific at all and NOT based on scientific papers. I don't where those samples are form and from what kind of 'population' (N). Also your charts are not detailed and NOT specified.

I showed you the ACADEMIC distribution of auDNA. I'm always using the ACADEMIC papers and source as my argumentation about human DNA.

Of course they're not scientific. You don't agree with them. Lol. Again, your charts never include Assyrians. They don't say Assyrians are Levantines. Only YOU SAY THAT. Also, they're based from 9000 years ago. Period. Your argument is moot.

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The closest relatives to Assyrians are Arabs from the Levant, Iraq and Syria. The closest people to Assyrians are the Semitic Lebanese people. And we have now EVIDENCE that modern Lebanese people are similar to their ancient SEMTIC ancestors 4000 years ago. The DNA of Lebanese people is still very Semitic. Assyrians are similar to the Lebanese Semitic people. You cluster together, that's why you should search for your roots in the Levant.
Don't put words in my mouth. Semitic is a race, because you all share the same deep roots and the same origin/ancestors. You are all from the same URHEIMAT.

What's wrong with you? You're blatantly backpedaling and making a nasty strawman. Nobody said Assyrians and Lebanese people are not the same race, in which they are. Heck, I confuse Assyrians with Lebanese people all the time. We are so alike, especially with their Maronites. I'm ONLY against your warped, trolling idea that Assyrians are "more" related to eastern Africans and Saudi Arabians than to Armenians and even Kurds! How come you didn't say that here? What stopped you? Maybe you know I'm right now.

Modern Lebanese Muslims, as similar as we are to them, still have Arabian peninsula DNA. We barely do. But of course, now you'll make a foul strawman about it again.

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And I do talk about Iranid race aka the Aryans. Europeans are NOT 1 race and definitely NOT Aryans at all, only Iranians who belong to an IRANID race (Medes & Persians) are ARYAN. Ancient Greeks, Germanic race tribes, Celtic race tribes, Slavic race tribes were NEVER Aryans and never called themselves Aryans. Greek historians never called themselves Aryans, the Roman Empire never called itself Aryan etc. Their ancestors were NEVER Aryans. Aryans were NOT from Europe, but from the Iranian Plateau. Europeans don't have much of the ARYAN 'Iranian Plateau' DNA.

Really? The Germans were so proud calling themselves Aryans. Just saying...

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Kurds belong to an Aryan race, because our language is Aryan. And the native language of our ancestors was also ARYAN. Kurds belong to an Aryan race, becaus Kurds are genetically connected to Northern Mesopotamia/Zagros/Iranian Plateau which was also the native homeland of the ancient Aryans the Medes.

Kurds claim descent from Medes, who inhabited the mountainous area of northwestern Iran and the northeastern and eastern region of Mesopotamia and located in the Kermanshah-Hamadan (Ecbatana) region in Iran. You are an Iranid people. You have more to do with Iran than with Iraq. Ironic that you're so proud of being Aryan and yet you're living in the lands of predominantly ruled by Semites. If you're such a proud Iranian/Aryan, live in northwestern Iran. Why couldn't the Kurds make a nation there? Why choose the land of the Semites?

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Actually, speaking of Georgians, Georgians today don't speak Aryan. But they do belong to an Aryan race. Georgians tribes like Colchis were for thousands of years under infleucne of the Aryan tribes. Ask Georgians if you don't believe, it has been said sad many Georgian 'Eastern' tribes came originally from the Iranian Plateau.

I doubt that they're full Iranian. They look Slavic or Russian. You can say that they're mixed. Look at these Georgian men. They look really European (and yes, it is about the looks):



Kurds and Assyrians look more alike than they do with Georgians, who look more 'foreign' and white (and I know this will trigger you, but if it does then you're seriously a white wannabe yourself - just saying).

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" Eastern Georgia, throughout its history, has been several times been annexed by the Persian Empire, specifically under the Achaemenid, Parthian, Sassanid, Safavid, Afsharid and Qajar dynasties. Western Georgia, throughout its history had been annexed by the Persian Achaemenids, Sassanids and Afsharids. Due to this, there has been a lot of political, cultural and ethnic exchange between the two nations for thousands of years, and thus Georgia was and is often considered a part of Greater Iran "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia%E2%80%93Iran_relations

History of Iranian-Georgian Relations

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/georgia-ii-history-

Remember that there are 4 million Georgians while more than 100 million Aryans (West Iranids).

Yes, the Persian empire has reached there. But Georgians today have been mixed with eastern Europeans. They have Iranid and East Europe DNA. Please don't deny this.

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Aryans are ancient people who are NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau and are full of Neolithic Iranian Plateau auDNA. Aryans were those who build the first villages, cities, had the first urban laws, civil societies etc. Aryans gave birth to the human civilization. Because of Aryans the cultures in the Mesopotamia, Indus Valley flourished.

Sumerians were the first to build society. They had nothing to do with Iranians. Semite-speakers came from the north and eventually, Sumerians mixed with them or "absorbed" within them. If anything, Assyrians are more related to ancient Sumerians than you are. Last time I checked, Akkadians and Sumerians MORPHED, not Sumerians and Persians (read a history book). Sumerians and Akkadians can be envisioned as our early "grandparents".

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You SEMITIC race people are acting like our Aryan Kurdish worst enemies and when you act like our enemies you will be threated like our worst enemies. You are the same as Turks who deny Kurdish race. And therefore if you will not watch out you will be threated like Turks by my Aryan people...

Um, bub, I don't think we see it in a Semitic/Aryan manner like you do. Hate to burst your bubble. We see Kurds as enemies, and also Arabs, Turks and even Jews (sometimes, sadly). But funnily, many of us defend Iran (who are Aryan people). We don't care about the racial difference between us. That's your obsession. We see Kurds as Kurd, Iranians as Iranians, etc. We don't see Aryans or Semites. If we did, then Assyrians wouldn't hate Arabs all the time. Lol.

Are you bipolar? You can be so over the top and outlandish, and at others you seem reasonable and courteous. How's your next post going to be like? Crazy or normal?  :giggle:
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #86 on: September 13, 2017, 06:56:50 AM »
These are still real DNA tests and genealogy data . Not sure why you're adamantly denying just because they don't fit your Abrahamic/Jewish-Nazi "Semitic" vs "Aryan" agenda:

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #87 on: September 13, 2017, 07:11:22 AM »
Source to above content: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=FrwNcwKaUKoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ISBN0691087504&source=gbs_summary_r&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=assyrian&f=false

About Sumerians:

"For millennia, the southern part of the Mesopotamia has been a wetland region generated by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers before flowing into the Gulf. This area has been occupied by human communities since ancient times and the present-day inhabitants, the Marsh Arabs, are considered the population with the strongest link to ancient Sumerians. Popular tradition, however, considers the Marsh Arabs as a foreign group, of unknown origin, which arrived in the marshlands when the rearing of water buffalo was introduced to the region."

"The Semitic groups were semi-nomadic people who spoke a Semitic language and lived in the northern area of the Syro-Arabian desert breeding small animals. From here, they reached Mesopotamia where they settled among the pre-existing populations. The Semitic people, more numerous in the north, and the Sumerians, more represented in the south, after having adsorbed the pre-existing populations, melted their cultures laying the basis of the western civilization"


You can see that you have a factual point about Semites being from the desert, but you're laying out your opinion quite inaccurately and unfairly - We have nothing to do with the southern parts of the Arabian peninsula (what you're implying) and Iranians have nothing to do with Sumerians. Just because the Yazidis and Sumerians have similar art and whatnot doesn't make them the same peoples. That's like me saying Assyrians are just like Kurds racially, because my Kurdish friend looks like my uncle. Get it? It's quite superficial and bears no basis. Also, as per this quote, you can clearly see that Semites mixed with Sumerians. What does this mean? The modern day Assyrian Semite has both Sumerian and ancient Semitic heritage.

Source: https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/1471-2148-11-288?site=bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #88 on: September 13, 2017, 01:39:02 PM »
These are still real DNA tests and genealogy data . Not sure why you're adamantly denying just because they don't fit your Abrahamic/Jewish-Nazi "Semitic" vs "Aryan" agenda:



Because he's a troll, Casc stop feeding the troll...

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #89 on: September 14, 2017, 06:29:57 AM »
Assyrians are not like Armenians. Assyrians are shifted toward Armenians. Assyrians are still closer to their Semitic cousins the Lebanese Arabs. Why? Because they share the same ancient Semitic ancestors with each other. They have the same origin and other Semites. Assyrians are Semites and belong to a Semitic race, full stop!
Of course Assyrians are more like Lebanese people. Why? They look more like Lebos than Armenians. But still, Assyrians and Armenians are close to each other. Don't go by stats from 9,000 years when a lot of peoples back then would have different heritage and ties. We were all pretty much nomads 9,000 years ago and were surrounded by extinct ethnic groups. Enough with this BS. That's why I think you're trolling. You have this strange agenda.

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If you follow the recent ACADEMIC papers you will find out that Assyrians are still very close to the Levant. Assyrians have much more Neolithic Levant Farmer auDNA in them, maybe as much as Arabs.
What is your definition of Arab? Lmao. Levantines are NOT pure Arabs. They are a Mediterranid peoples (Phoenicians, Samaritans, Philistines, etc) who were raped and forcefully converted to Islam by true Arabs (those from the Arabian peninsula). True Arabs are those from the Gulf. But of course, you'll stubbornly refuse to believe this and would say that all Arabs are homogeneous. Look at a Lebanese man and compare him to a Yemeni. They look like different race. Again, your agenda is to categorize every 'race' WEST of IRANIDS as ONE BIG AFRO-ARABID RACE. You really have to be trolling or on some strange psychedelic drug

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Assyrians have a lot Arabian Peninsula auDNA, because the Akkadians were actually from the Arabian Peninsula
Akkadians came from the north Syrian desert. FYI, people from the north Syrian desert are a different race from those to the south have recent African mixture/DNA. As different as a Kurd and an Assyrian. It's blatantly ignorant to deny this.

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Northern Iraq/Northern Mesopotamia is still Aryan land. The biggest population on that land are still the Aryans. The Aryans were always native people of the Northern Mesopotamia, since the era of the Ubaid Sumerians. Since the Ubaid Sumerians Northern Mesopotamia was populated non stop by Iranid aka Aryan people. It is our native land, and Aryans are still the majority of that land. Why should we give our NATIVE land to other races like Turks or Semites? Do you think we are retard to give our Aryan land away. We will fight for it till the very end. It is OUR native land. The Aryan land.
Ubaidans are not Sumerians. Ubaid people are neither Semitic or Aryan. Lolz. Stop with this hilarious trolling. You're getting funnier and more insane. Again, if you love Aryans, stay in the Iranian Plateau. You even admitted that your people come from there. Get real man. You're full of plot holes and contradictions.

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It is not about the looks. You can change your looks within generation, while you can't change your race.
The most dense sentence I read in years. If your looks are changing, so is your race. If Obama's (half black) grandchildren are lighter-skinned because their parent is white, that's because their Caucasian parent made them fair-skinned. And if Caucasian breeding continues in this line, the children will start to look PURE white.

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Georgians are still very close to the Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (CHG). Georgians are a mixture between CHG and the ARYANS (Neolithic Iranian Farmers). But CHG and Neolithic Iranian Farmers were even very similar to each other 9000 years ago. I was born and raised in Georgia and believe me, Georgians look very Iranid to my own Iranid eyes. Don't tell me how Georgians look like..
Of course, it has to be 9000 years ago. You're a legend. Lol.

Sorry bub, Georgians TODAY have a Slavic admixture. They may have had Iranid in them (and yeah, some look Iranian), but the many of them look rather eastern Europe. Why? Because they have Eastern European DNA in them. Check out their DNA. Don't have me to do the talking.

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Hahahahaha, Semitic Assyrians don't look like Iranid/Aryan Kurds and Iranid Kurds don't look like Semitic Assyrians at all.
Of course, we don't look like you. Since you suffer from inferiority complex (a bad case at that), you'll find European-like NORTHERLY people to resemble you. That's the point with Middle Easterners like you who want to be white.

Again, I'm amazed at why you're so full of hate towards Assyrians. You are not a Yazidi. You gotta be something else. You're a disturbed person anyway. Perhaps you get mistaken for your Middle Eastern fellow Semites a lot. Sucks to be you, I know. Or did an Assyrian girl dump you? What's your story?

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Look at the SCIENTIC graphs I posted. Even on your AMATEURISH charts, Georgians very much away from the Eastern European monkeys and cluster together with Iranian/Aryan people.
You're so triggered by facts. Sucks that these scientific charts are modern-based and not from 9000 years which CONFORM to your AGENDA? These modern graphs made you so mad. But lowlife trolls faced with reality will be left vexed and red-faced.  :lol:

Svan Georgians are a different ethnic subgroups. Do you realize that Georgia has around 5 ethnic groups?

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Semitic Assyrians NVER came from North, they came from the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula. Akkadians came originally from the Arabian Peninsula. This is a FACT!
Oh, how rude of me. Of course we didn't come from the north. You pure Aryans did. You came from Europe. We are the lesser peoples from the Somali deserts. How dare I insult the fact.  :giggle:

Trollish statements demand troll replies. Do you want more, land thief?

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Original ARYAN Sumerians from the UBAID period were IRANID people and came from the Mountains. Ancient people on the Iranian Plateau who even lived before the Sumeirans build first societies and first villages. In Ezdixan/Shenagl Sumerians NEVER mixed with the Semites. In Ezdixan Sumerians became evolved to the Medes and later in Ezdi/Kurds.
Comedic paragraph of the day. Or the most stupid? You pick.

Sumerians morphed with Akkadians. Assyrians today are a mixture of Akkadians, Sumerian, Armenian, Maronite/Lebanese, Jewish and even Persian.

Just because Assyrians hate you PERSONALLY and had a bad experience with them, doesn't mean you should hate every Assyrian you failed loser. I feel so bad for you. Again, something horrible must have happened to you. I hope you get your life back. I really do.

NOT based on scientific studies and papers. This is nonsense and was made a bunch of AMATERUS.

This is the REAL deal. Very ACADEMIC !
1. I still don't see 'Assyrian' in them.
2. You're still clinging to the same charts over and over again.
3. They're still 9,000 years old, back when 99% of the world was nomadic to semi-nomadic and racially homogeneous.
4. Only "real" and "academic" because they conform to your AGENDA - that Levantines and Iranids are completely different races (in which they were 9000 years ago, but NOT now). :giggle:

You're just a Kurdish Muslim (perhaps a sockpuppet of somebody in here) finding a way to be superior and distinguishable from YOUR Arab relatives. I know your psychology. You get insulted when you're compared to Arabs (because of your ostentatious Middle Eastern visage), hence the reason you use Aryan and Semite - Because you want to distinguish yourself with them - Only our language family is distinguishable. That makes you happy. It makes you feel 'superior' or 'different'. Even though, visually and geographically, you are still MIDDLE EASTERN looking and from south-western Asia (yep, SOUTH - Northwest Asia is near the Caucasus and Turkey).

P.S. Do you tick "Middle Eastern" or "Caucasian" in dating/DNA/etc sites? Lol.  :mrgreen:
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2017, 12:57:45 PM »
I don't refute BS with more BS. I'm an IT guy, not a college professor. I like it quick and short

is this some sort of complement to yourself ? Me personally i prefer Harveys over burger king . ..so

true, anyone can claim anything, but if they have the archaeological evidence that says "we made/discovered this first" then I'll concede to that.

For example, Beer wasn't actually discovered by Sumerians BUT they get the credit for it because they were the first to document the recipe to make beer.

Here's a better, modern day example.

Let's say there's this folk song with variations of it across the Middle East. Kurds have their variation, Arabs theirs, Armenians theirs, Assyrians ours.
By general law and etiquette, whoever records the song on a playable medium first is credited (and maybe copyrighted) to them.
So if an Arab or Kurdish singer was the first to record it, the song is credited to them even though the song isn't theirs.

It's all about documentation. This is why we archive things and study them.

This is also the number 1 reason why I never use any kind of source material from the Middle East. Everybody there, even Assyrians who got PhDs there, got an inferior education unless they got that degree from a school in Europe, Australia, or NA.

Honestly is it completly pointless to even debate this , China will claim all  the above with proof and add more to it , so does india , arabs , turks and so on

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #91 on: September 14, 2017, 01:35:28 PM »
Quoting the Old Testament will prove how Judaism is almost akin to Islam. The Old Testament is NOT the fundamental scripture of Christianity. And this is fact. Christianity's central figure is Jesus,

Do not go that way Cascade , because trying to separate the old testament from the new one will never work .

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13).

The list of examples goes on, and the evidence is clear: Jesus saw the Old Testament as being God’s Word, and his attitude toward it was nothing less than total trust. Many people want to accept Jesus, yet they reject a large portion of the Old Testament. Either Jesus knew what he was talking about, or he didn’t. If a person believes in Jesus Christ, he should be consistent and believe that the Old Testament and its accounts are correct

Christians have killed a lot people in the past for sure. But today, they are not doing that. And no, the World Wars and Nazism had nothing to do Christianity, just the same way the Saddam regime had nothing to do with Islam. Christianity and Islam are not equally bad religions today (remember, the keyword is today).

The rules are exactly the same because the word of so called God can not change , the only different is that Christian laws and rules simply ignored and not applied today and not because Christianity became peaceful all the sudden . A true christain and a true muslim never actually evolved that is why they reject the current rules .


In the middle ages, sure, I will be saying that Christians are worse. Today is a different story. You surely have to admit this. It is fact. Otherwise you're just sympathizing and moderating Islam ("hey Islam, I know you're bad and all, but dw sweetie Christianity is also just like you"). ;)

Come on Cascade , Do you Honestly contribute peace in majority christian nation to Christianity ? This one made me laugh , I promise you if you apply christians laws to majority christian countries they will not be better than muslim countries . Religion is the problem not the people and Europe only lived in peace and prosperity when they weakened the Church by separated the church from the state .

Yes, except I was defending our peaceful scholars, artists, educators, scientists. How could you call them barbaric and thuggish? That's like me saying all Kurds and Turks are savages because of what some of their ancestors did to us in 1914. It's too extreme, is it? You're thinking of ancient Assyrians the same way an old, ignorant, conservative Assyrian would think of Turks and Kurds. Don't go there, please. Again, you have to realize that Assyrian was a pluralistic society. It had brutal leaders, but also was a free society with innocent, hard-working civilians like you and I. Why are you denying that SIDE of Assyria? Same thing with ancient Greece, Persia, Rome. They also had good, prolific people too. You cannot trivialize them and throw them in the trash.
You're being too cynical, are you not? It's okay to be proud of your ancestors and their societal living. The Chinese are, the Japs are, the Brits, Persians, Greeks, Macedonians, Italians, etc. You're going to have to convince 70% of the world to forget about their ancestors. Come on.

Sure, no civilization is more superior than the other. But it's nice to look back at your own people and be like "wow, I am so proud of their artwork, their architecture, etc". This is human nature. What are you going to tell us next, "don't like Assyrian music", "don't watch Hollywood movies", "boycott anime"? I'm pretty sure in a thousand years people will look back at these mediums and be in awe. You can't stop them.

Sorry, but I admire our architecture and artwork. NOT us killing people and pulverizing cities, of course. What is wrong with that?
Lol. We need like millions of these sprays.

I do not view history the way most people view it . You look at the pyramid and you will be moved by the architect and beauty , but I see slavery , exploitation and death of millions to built such meaningless structure so some king who used to sleep with his sister get buried in it . My views might be interpreted as cynical , but i see it as the naked truth and most people detest the truth as you know . I apply the same rule to my own history and I believe we all need to apologize to what our ancestors did to each other in the name of some meaningless glory .


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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #92 on: September 14, 2017, 01:42:14 PM »

Lol. We need like millions of these sprays.

I'm thinking about having my own line of ANTI ISLAM SPRAY (AIS) that contain Pork Blood . That would definitely work like a charm . Just spray your neighborhood with it and you are done  :mfr_lol:  . I will be happy to make you my partener if you want and I believe MrZurnaci will do it for free lol .
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #93 on: September 14, 2017, 01:56:08 PM »
is this some sort of complement to yourself ? Me personally i prefer Harveys over burger king . ..so

well I COULD draw up research, run down to the library, and print up sources to back up my claim (which reminds me, I have some sources on old Kurds from my local library and I forgot about them because I stashed them away.

But years of video games and computer interaction has made me lazy and wanting of constant stimulation.

Either way, I'm not exactly your average Assyrian, I'm the kind of Assyrian who asks 'why?' all the time.
In fact, it pissed the sh** out of my parents when I asked why because they thought I was talking back than actually asking why.

So during high school, I thought to myself, why did Kurds participate in the Assyrian-Armenian genocide and why are Assyrian-Kurdish relations still tense today?
So I'd go to many libraries and read various information on Kurds like religion, culture, origins, etc. Even looked at the Wikipedia articles whether they're biased or not.

From past experience, especially from online debates. I failed to speak sense to my Kurdish counterparts despite using sources, logic, and reasoning.
Any source I'd list, they'd just brush it off and say "this is biased against Kurds". If it's a European or American source, they'll say "this is biased and paid for by Turks" which reminds me of when Arabs would say something is paid for by Jews...

It appears that Turks and Arabs are "jews" to Kurds.

Overall, this is why Assyrians are leaving the Middle East. We are a vastly Christian people living amongst a religion that hates, demonizes, and represses anyone who is not Muslim.

Last Question for you Nej, if Kurds were vastly Christian during the end of the Ottoman, do you think they would've extended the Genocide to you guys? I say yes because that was the plan. The plan was to get rid or severely reduce the Christian populations.

This is also why I also believed that if Assyrians converted to Islam but still kept our language, etc. Then we would've had our own country already by now.
But that's not the reality, no matter how many times we say we are Assyrian, it doesn't matter to Muslims because they've been taught to only care about who's Muslim and who is not.

Anyone who is not Muslim is not equal and never equal to a Muslim. That's the Islam mentality.
And yet you think we want to be part of Kurdistan which is vastly Muslim? Just because you're tolerable?

You should know that the Ottomans were originally tolerable (when Constantinople was conquered, 70% of the Ottoman empire was Christian) but the Ottoman empire ended with millions of Armenians, Assyrians, and Greek civilians killed in a planned massacre...

So ONCE AGAIN, go have your Kurdistan and best wishes but leave us out. We've been under Muslim rule for 1400 years, contributed to their societies, what's our reward? Assyrian land taken away from us, our historical items smashed, civilians murdered, our institutions and churches destroyed, and our rights taken away.

So from the various Muslims that ruled over us (Arabs, Turks, Persians, Mongols who converted to Islam), you ask that we replace those Muslims with YOU Muslims?
Whether we Assyrians are dumb or not, we're not that dumb to make such a stupid choice.

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« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2017, 10:42:44 PM »
Do not go that way Cascade , because trying to separate the old testament from the new one will never work .

Except, it does work. Otherwise, predominantly Christian countries would be implementing laws of Torah. Whether we like it or not, the central teachings of Christian are focused in the New Testament. The bible is not straightforward like the Quran is. Like the Titanic, the bible is split in two and the contents are leagues apart. And also, it contradicts itself a lot (we both know this). Because here, the NT is negating the OT:

"By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. - Hebrews 8:13

True, Christians can never be consistent. Some take the extreme standards by quoting the OT and others abide by Jesus' teachings. But that's the "beauty" of Christianity - You can cherrypick. Whereas, with the Quran, its teachings (and especially of Muhammad's) were very consistent and not compatible. One crucial difference between Judaeo-Christianity and Islam is that in the latter religion there are incentives for killing and raping someone (the virgins in paradise). That's the reason why one religion has a lot of terrorists and the other has very few.

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The rules are exactly the same because the word of so called God can not change , the only different is that Christian laws and rules simply ignored and not applied today and not because Christianity became peaceful all the sudden . A true christain and a true muslim never actually evolved that is why they reject the current rules .

What rules? If someone perfectly follows Jesus's teachings, he is a true Christian. You're not going to call him something else. Again, only Jesus's teachings and Paul's testimony's are the focal and mainstream points of Christianity. The Old Testament is an alternative, for sure. Amazed that you're adamantly denying this. Heck, it will be an insult to Jews if you credit the Old Testament solely with Christianity, as you're doing.

A true Christian is still more evolved than a true Muslim. You and I know both that we can still live more comfortable with a bunch of fundamental Christians than with Muslim fundies. Again, you are just plainly mitigating Islam. You feel ashamed at how horrible it is (and I don't blame you), so you want Christianity to be in its league (when it just isn't). Pretty sad, man.

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Come on Cascade , Do you Honestly contribute peace in majority christian nation to Christianity ? This one made me laugh , I promise you if you apply christians laws to majority christian countries they will not be better than muslim countries . Religion is the problem not the people and Europe only lived in peace and prosperity when they weakened the Church by separated the church from the state .

First of, the last part is true. With the first part, you're making a strawman and a conjecture. I said Christianity is much more peaceful than Islam. It has teachings about pacifism and compassion (something that Islam severely lacks) which moderate the religion (unlike the consistent and straightforward teachings of Islam). Nobody said countries are peaceful because of Christianity. But they are peaceful when their population is MAJORLY Christian. This is fact. FYI, Christianity is the state religion of Argentina, Armenia, Denmark, England, Greece, Georgia, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Malta. All horrible, radical countries, right?

Again, Christian laws are always based in the New Testament. You're the funny one for equating Christian laws with the Jewish Torah. And, heck, the Torah is not even taken seriously by Jews!  :lol:

True, secularism did make us more peaceful, and I don't believe that we live by Judaeo-Christian values (something that I find disagreeable with Geert Wilders and Milo Yiannopolous). At least Christians lived in a freer society that didn't take their religion too seriously anymore (after the Middle Ages). Newsflash, most Europeans were Christian, and they were open-minded enough to ditch it. Muslims are much more stubbornly faithful to their religion, and wouldn't dare leave it. Why? Apostasy death.

P.S. Assyrians were majorly Christian peoples in the Christian era. They were peaceful peoples who didn't stone adulterers and commit honor killings. The only killers and murderers living among them were Muslims. Assyrians could've been like the barbaric Europeans in the Christian era, but they were not. Why? They cherrypicked the peaceful content of the bible. And I'm not sure why you're refusing to accept it, but the peaceful content in the bible are vital teachings of Christianity (Jesus, Pauline Christianity). This is a FACT. Sure, I'm not saying there are fundamentals who abide to the Old Testament, but they're doing it wrong.

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I do not view history the way most people view it . You look at the pyramid and you will be moved by the architect and beauty , but I see slavery , exploitation and death of millions to built such meaningless structure so some king who used to sleep with his sister get buried in it . My views might be interpreted as cynical , but i see it as the naked truth and most people detest the truth as you know . I apply the same rule to my own history and I believe we all need to apologize to what our ancestors did to each other in the name of some meaningless glory .

Then I guess we have to agree to disagree.

It is the naked truth (no kidding there). But it's a beautiful truth. Regardless of how brutal it was, history is a magnificent subject and is filled with awe to me. Hate to sound cruel, but nobody cares about people who died 3000 years from building the periods. It's not insensitive anymore.

Your violent history (also the Turks) is much, much more recent. And people still do feel sensitive about it. And no, this isn't because I'm feeling more sympathy because the victims were my people or they were Christian, but because time is a factor. Look, I still feel extremely bad for what Christian Serbs did to Muslim Bosnians in the 90s. This was grotesque and inexcusable.

P.S. Since you're so good with quoting the bible (and is open to criticizing religion), can you come to my absurdity in the bible thread and contribute to it? (http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=47320.0:mrgreen:
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #95 on: September 14, 2017, 10:57:18 PM »
Nej, please be nice to Mzurnaci. Don't be snarky towards his points. He is right that a lot of inventions came from Mesopotamia. Read a book. He is not making it up. No need to reply to him in a condescending manner and sneer what he has to say.

Don't be like that Ezidi Kurd troll. Hating anything that's Assyrian or from Assyria. What is with Kurds? There are three Kurds in here (including you, although you're better one Lol) who have showed NOTHING but disrespect and ignorance towards Assyrians. Scoffing what we have to say, ridiculing us, calling us names, even though we have provable facts. And yet yous say why Assyrians hate Kurds... :blink:

Nej, you know better. You seem more rational. Just keep your mind open. You are the better Kurd in here. Do not falter and think like the other Kurdish trolls. You seem to grasp the idea of facts. So be consistent and accept that some inventions came from Mesopotamia (no, not necessary the Assyrians, but Babylonians and Sumerians too). ;)
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #96 on: September 15, 2017, 10:53:09 AM »
Nej, please be nice to Mzurnaci. Don't be snarky towards his points. He is right that a lot of inventions came from Mesopotamia. Read a book. He is not making it up. No need to reply to him in a condescending manner and sneer what he has to say.

Don't be like that Ezidi Kurd troll. Hating anything that's Assyrian or from Assyria. What is with Kurds? There are three Kurds in here (including you, although you're better one Lol) who have showed NOTHING but disrespect and ignorance towards Assyrians. Scoffing what we have to say, ridiculing us, calling us names, even though we have provable facts. And yet yous say why Assyrians hate Kurds... :blink:

Nej, you know better. You seem more rational. Just keep your mind open. You are the better Kurd in here. Do not falter and think like the other Kurdish trolls. You seem to grasp the idea of facts. So be consistent and accept that some inventions came from Mesopotamia (no, not necessary the Assyrians, but Babylonians and Sumerians too). ;)

Thanks Cascade , i will keep that in mind in the future . MrZurnaci is my favorite person here :) and yes i like sometimes to Annoy him using some twisted logic , but i hold no ill intentions  have nothing but the respect to everyone here .

P.S . Your pervious post is very interesting and i will happily reply later . cheers

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #97 on: September 16, 2017, 12:43:12 AM »
Thanks Cascade , i will keep that in mind in the future . MrZurnaci is my favorite person here :) and yes i like sometimes to Annoy him using some twisted logic , but i hold no ill intentions  have nothing but the respect to everyone here .

P.S . Your pervious post is very interesting and i will happily reply later . cheers
Just be fair and reasonable, and don't stand against those who are proud of their Assyrian heritage or history. Maybe you can change how Assyrians think of Kurds, because telling others not to be proud of their background is discriminatory, and if you're a Kurd especially, Assyrians would think you're a typical Assyrian-loathing Kurd. So don't go there. Lol.

Like I said, you are the better Kurd in here. You seem to be the most rational and nicest (even if we have disagreements). Just continue that mentality. Of course, we didn't invent everything. But that doesn't mean we didn't invent NOTHING. Both ideas are extremist and irrational (believe that we invented almost all things or just nothing). Let's keep an open mind, is all. ;)

Please do reply ASAP. Want to see your take on it. But please no strawmans or conjectures this time. Lol.
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #98 on: March 26, 2018, 12:26:01 PM »
Wow, over 6000 views, my conclusion is that connection between kurds and medes is possible, but there arent enough proof for that.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #99 on: March 26, 2018, 01:37:02 PM »
Wow, over 6000 views, my conclusion is that connection between kurds and medes is possible, but there arent enough proof for that.

there isn't, not only that but there's over a 1,000 year gap between the Medes and the Kurds.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #100 on: March 26, 2018, 02:00:37 PM »
there isn't, not only that but there's over a 1,000 year gap between the Medes and the Kurds.

I think the only evidence they have is that both being northwestern iranian languages, therefore northwestern iranian people, but l could say they are the descendants of the medes because they are both northwestern iranians, but then again they must prove it.

Northwestern iranian languages and people:

Zaza (dialects: Kirmanjki, Dimli)
Gorani (dialects: Hawrami, Bajelan)
 ? Shabak, Sarli
Balochi: Balochi, ?Koroshi
Khuri (Kavir)
Tatic
Talysh
Tati/Azari: Old Azeri†, Harzandi, Karingani, Kho'ini, Khalkhal, Upper Taromi, Rudbari, Southern Tati, Eshtehardi, dialects N/NE of Qazvin
 ? (Talysh? Tati?): Gozarkhani, Kajali, Koresh-e Rostam, Maraghei, Razajerdi, Shahrudi

Kurdish people are one of them, if kurds claim be medes ancestors then they could also claim it, kurds are not the only one, they need evidence which they probably never will have lol. Whats annoying is their calendar which says they destoryed nineveh 612 bc, whats funny is that they think they are the descnedants of the medes hahahaha they dont even have enough proof.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #101 on: March 26, 2018, 02:09:35 PM »
not really, Medes were still nomadic, Scythians were more nomadic and they were just taking advantage of the lawlessness by raiding.

Actually, Babylonians did defeat ancient Assyria by itself. look up Battle of Harran and Battle of Carchemish. Battle of Carchemish was pretty much the last battle of what army was left of the empire.

Also, where are you getting your false information? None of this crap is in any of my history books. Are you gonna tell me Turks modified American history books?

He takes it from kurdish scholars i think because he showed me kurdish sources, and we all know they are not trustworthy. No offense to ezidi kurd because l know he is kind but he must read scholars which provide good information, who are credited by good people.

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #102 on: March 26, 2018, 03:28:24 PM »
I think the only evidence they have is that both being northwestern iranian languages, therefore northwestern iranian people, but l could say they are the descendants of the medes because they are both northwestern iranians, but then again they must prove it.

Northwestern iranian languages and people:

Zaza (dialects: Kirmanjki, Dimli)
Gorani (dialects: Hawrami, Bajelan)
 ? Shabak, Sarli
Balochi: Balochi, ?Koroshi
Khuri (Kavir)
Tatic
Talysh
Tati/Azari: Old Azeri

My comment disappeared somehow but anyway. If Kurds can claim Medes as their ancestors, then so can every other Iranian people and even Azerbaijanis
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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #103 on: March 26, 2018, 04:32:15 PM »
It probably have so many views because of angry kurds reading this lol

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Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Reply #104 on: March 27, 2018, 12:46:45 AM »
It probably have so many views because of angry kurds reading this lol
Why would they be angry? The thread is titled "Kurds claim descent from Medes". It's pretty much laid out like a newsflash.

And I couldn't care less if they think they're descended from Medes. That won't make me more or less of an Assyrian. Lol.
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