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Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« on: March 26, 2015, 12:37:04 PM »
What a sad news!

Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East Mar Dinkha has passed away. Been in his post since 1976. He was 79 (born Sep 15, 1935). RIP!



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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2015, 12:50:23 PM »
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2015, 01:13:56 PM »
Rest in piece , I know it's rude and to early to say this but, the Assyrian church of the East need to install a good patriarch who will work hard as the Syrian orthodox church's patriarch, also he should be a real nationalist who will fight for his people's right
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2015, 01:22:56 PM »
Rest in piece , I know it's rude and to early to say this but, the Assyrian church of the East need to install a good patriarch who will work hard as the Syrian orthodox church's patriarch, also he should be a real nationalist who will fight for his people's right

Not sure if you are implying that Mar Dinkha wasn't or if you are saying they should get one that was like him? but Mar Dinkha was very nationalist and he did work hard for his nation. He always emphasized the Assyrianisism of the Assyrian church of the east.

Not sure who his replacement will be but I don't mind seeing  Mar Paulus Benjamin, Bishop of the Diocese of the Eastern USA and President of ACERO USA, taking over this seat. Mar Awa Rouel would be good too but he is too young for now. Mar Melis from Australia would very ideal too, but I don't see him changing his seat from Australia.

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2015, 02:00:11 PM »
RIP, A'am A'alya Kumra Ru'ba Qadeshoote. There were many greater before him but there will NEVER be another like him. We will not see another Patriarch this dedicated to the ACOE and Assyrian nationalism.
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2015, 03:51:55 PM »
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2015, 08:45:23 PM »
RIP. Gone at the time of great crisis for the Assyrian nation. Another Patriarch gone in the long line of the Church of the East. Question now is who will take his place and will he promote Assyrian nationalism the same or more?

Will the new Patriarch take better steps for this ancient people?
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2015, 09:58:53 PM »
RIP. Gone at the time of great crisis for the Assyrian nation. Another Patriarch gone in the long line of the Church of the East. Question now is who will take his place and will he promote Assyrian nationalism the same or more?

Will the new Patriarch take better steps for this ancient people?


He was taken away from us at the worst time possible. There is no clue as to who will take his place because a formal conclave will take place sometime after the burial (4/8/15), and the Canon Law requires a new Patriarch to have been elected and ordained by the 40th of the late Patriarch, nora l' sandooqe (5/10/15). Whoever assumes the See undoubtedly won't work against Assyrian nationalism and will be open to those promoting it, but the question is if the new Patriarch will promote nationalism himself and if so to what extent. The human rights and civil rights situations for Assyrians in Iran, Iraq, parts of Syria, and to some extent Jordan are essentially unacceptable right now. Of course, the end course is the demand for an Assyrian homeland, and that is something that the new Patriarch must be adamant about and insist upon. There are other issue that are also critical, primarily ecumenical relations. The next Patriarch must abandon the "pragmatic political course," by demanding that Assyrians work together with their respective governments but avoiding any emphasis on obtaining an Assyrian homeland. The effort by HH Mar Dinkha, nora l' sandooqe, to de-politicize the office of Patriarch was groundbreaking and historic. This must be defended and continued. I think we all agree on that. However, I think that including non-Syriac liturgies composed in local languages was a terrible idea imposed upon the Patriarch, Allah manyikhle, and there has to be some sort of effort to curb this by the next Patriarch, because the Chaldeans did this long before us and they regretted terribly now but they have passed a point of no return. This policy turned Chaldeans into Arab Christians, and it will turn us into non-Assyrian Christians.         
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2015, 11:29:40 PM »
alaha mahnekhel go nohra o pardessa.

Cant believe some of you guys are still pro Assyrian nationalism within our church.
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2015, 03:25:38 AM »
How did he pass away? Was it from natural causes?

He's lived a long flourishing life. May he rest peacefully.
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2015, 06:51:04 AM »
Not sure if you are implying that Mar Dinkha wasn't or if you are saying they should get one that was like him? but Mar Dinkha was very nationalist and he did work hard for his nation. He always emphasized the Assyrianisism of the Assyrian church of the east.

Not sure who his replacement will be but I don't mind seeing  Mar Paulus Benjamin, Bishop of the Diocese of the Eastern USA and President of ACERO USA, taking over this seat. Mar Awa Rouel would be good too but he is too young for now. Mar Melis from Australia would very ideal too, but I don't see him changing his seat from Australia.

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Sorry if you got it all wrong, I didn't imply anything that he wasn't , what I tried to tell is that we need someone just as good as him  IF not better :) I don't know much about the Curch of the East bishops :) But I can tell you this that the our patriarch before the current one was not liked for what he contributed
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2015, 07:42:56 AM »

He was taken away from us at the worst time possible. There is no clue as to who will take his place because a formal conclave will take place sometime after the burial (4/8/15), and the Canon Law requires a new Patriarch to have been elected and ordained by the 40th of the late Patriarch, nora l' sandooqe (5/10/15). Whoever assumes the See undoubtedly won't work against Assyrian nationalism and will be open to those promoting it, but the question is if the new Patriarch will promote nationalism himself and if so to what extent. The human rights and civil rights situations for Assyrians in Iran, Iraq, parts of Syria, and to some extent Jordan are essentially unacceptable right now. Of course, the end course is the demand for an Assyrian homeland, and that is something that the new Patriarch must be adamant about and insist upon. There are other issue that are also critical, primarily ecumenical relations. right now, there is Patriarchal candidate who has an open stance supporting unity. We know that HG Mar Awa strongly opposes unity with the Ancient Church of the East, and HB Mar Meelis was weary of unity with the Chaldean Church until he personally met Patriarch Sako and publicly declared a change of heart saying that it wasn't inevitable but very plausible and more likely than not that unity could be achieved. HG Mar Paulus has never had a stance on either topic. HB Mar Meelis never discussed ecumenism with the Ancient Church and HG Mar Awa never held a stance on the Chaldean Church, although it was been alleged that he initially supported unity but then had a strong change of heart in 2011. The next Patriarch must abandon the "pragmatic political course," by demanding that Assyrians work together with their respective governments but avoiding any emphasis on obtaining an Assyrian homeland. The effort by HH Mar Dinkha, nora l' sandooqe, to de-politicize the office of Patriarch was groundbreaking and historic. This must be defended and continued. I think we all agree on that. However, I think that including non-Syriac liturgies composed in local languages was a terrible idea imposed upon the Patriarch, Allah manyikhle, and there has to be some sort of effort to curb this by the next Patriarch, because the Chaldeans did this long before us and they regretted terribly now but they have passed a point of no return. This policy turned Chaldeans into Arab Christians, and it will turn us into non-Assyrian Christians.         

I believe the idea of the using local languages for slota was to include as many people to join the ACEO. Why didn't anyone write to Mar Dinkha that local language liturgies were a bad idea? Our next patriarch could be informed of this; have strictly sureth liturgies, using local dialects of sureth is ok though.

Also, we seriously need to get rid of all the tribal elements and crap. Tribes do nothing but divide us...

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2015, 09:46:30 AM »
How did he pass away? Was it from natural causes?


He died from a virus and pneumonia. He has been in the ICU for a bit. Lately his health declined.

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2015, 10:23:56 AM »
He died from a virus and pneumonia. He has been in the ICU for a bit. Lately his health declined.

That is correct, thanks for the update!


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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2015, 10:24:43 AM »
Mar Dinkha was such a legend in the church, he actually outlived (or co-existed) with 5 different Catholic church popes, going all the way back to Bl. Paul VI.


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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2015, 10:43:36 AM »
Does anyone else here think this is a good opportunity for the Assyrian church to return its seat to its original place in Iraq?

Mar Melis from Australia has previously stated that the next patriarch seat should be given to someone who is already in Iraq.

Mar Gewargis comes to mind, but unfortunately he is old already (either late 70s or in his 80s)


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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2015, 11:37:59 AM »
Does anyone else here think this is a good opportunity for the Assyrian church to return its seat to its original place in Iraq?

Mar Melis from Australia has previously stated that the next patriarch seat should be given to someone who is already in Iraq.

Mar Gewargis comes to mind, but unfortunately he is old already (either late 70s or in his 80s)


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I like the idea, but I feel like the patriarch in Iraq would become a target because of his status in our community :\

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2015, 11:59:50 AM »
Does anyone else here think this is a good opportunity for the Assyrian church to return its seat to its original place in Iraq?

Mar Melis from Australia has previously stated that the next patriarch seat should be given to someone who is already in Iraq.

Mar Gewargis comes to mind, but unfortunately he is old already (either late 70s or in his 80s)


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I definitely agree that the next Patriarch must move to Iraq. There shouldn't be any discussion on the topic, anyone not wanting to go back shouldn't be considered.
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2015, 12:01:57 PM »
Does anyone else here think this is a good opportunity for the Assyrian church to return its seat to its original place in Iraq?

Mar Melis from Australia has previously stated that the next patriarch seat should be given to someone who is already in Iraq.

Mar Gewargis comes to mind, but unfortunately he is old already (either late 70s or in his 80s)


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I agree or at least move the church back to Mesopotamia where it belongs.

Also, did anyone read the AINA version and the very last paragraph?

http://www.aina.org/news/20150327021837.htm

"Patriarch Dinkha made no serious attempt to re-establish the Church in the Middle East, which was one factor that encouraged the emigration of his adherents from their native lands. He also failed to centralize and modernize the Church and its institutions. To date, the Assyrian Church of the East in Chicago, home to nearly 100,000 Assyrians, has no seminary, monastic orders, library, archive, media center or private schools. Also, the number of churches and other institutions in Chicago is insufficient to serve the large Assyrian population there."

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2015, 01:59:05 PM »
If the seat returns to Iraq, it obviously won't be in Baghdad, at least not for now. It will be in Arbil (ironically, the birthplace of Mar Dinkha) or Dohuk.

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2015, 02:43:38 PM »
Does anyone else here think this is a good opportunity for the Assyrian church to return its seat to its original place in Iraq?

Mar Melis from Australia has previously stated that the next patriarch seat should be given to someone who is already in Iraq.

Mar Gewargis comes to mind, but unfortunately he is old already (either late 70s or in his 80s)


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Yeah, let's move it back to the Middle East, so it can be taken advantage of like the Chaldean and Syriac Churches have. Great idea...

Iraq isn't our country. It doesn't belong there.

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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2015, 03:02:32 PM »
Yeah, let's move it back to the Middle East, so it can be taken advantage of like the Chaldean and Syriac Churches have. Great idea...

Iraq isn't our country. It doesn't belong there.

Assyria as a homeland is in Mespotamia/Iraq, isn't it?

Assyrian empire wasn't based in North America, wasn't it?

I understand this whole thing about safety as a reason for moving our patriarchy to the west, but it is relatively more stable in the north. By having our church based in athra, we can probably convince more people to stay than to move to the west.



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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2015, 04:13:58 PM »
There is no doubt that the seat must be moved to Arbil. The ACOE is a nationalistic entity, and Assyrian nationalism teaches us as the lyrics are pasted below. It is only appropriate for the seat to be in the ancient Assyrian city of Arbil. It doesn't need to be in Baghdad. Once we get our land back, the seat can be moved to the Nineveh Plain. We can have our own Vatican, like the Etchmiadzin of the Armenians.
 
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2015, 04:41:35 PM »
Mar Melis may just be the right man for this job, he will absolutely modernize the church and introduce all these services and infrastructure changes that Mar Dinkha didn't. He is already doing an amazing job in Sydney, having built schools, senior residences and a lot more.

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2015, 05:04:21 PM »
Assyria as a homeland is in Mespotamia/Iraq, isn't it?

Assyrian empire wasn't based in North America, wasn't it?

I understand this whole thing about safety as a reason for moving our patriarchy to the west, but it is relatively more stable in the north. By having our church based in athra, we can probably convince more people to stay than to move to the west.



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"Iraq" isn't Mesoptamia, is it?

North America didn't try destroying the church, did it?

Yeah, let's just move it to Arbela, so Kurds can take advantage of it just like Iraqi Arabs did to the Chaldean Church and the Syrian Arabs to the Syriac Church. Brilliant idea. A round of applause for you guys.

The churches are dying anyway(thank god ;)). Soon this won't be an issue.
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2015, 05:21:13 PM »
As I said,  I really couldn't see anyone else being the next Patriarch. It definitely wouldn't create controversy by elevating a Metropolitan. The man has established successful churches, schools, a community college, retirement facilities, etc. These are all things we need now in America. We need these first and foremost in Chicago, and also in the 209 area code where we have 35,000 Assyrians, and here in Los Angeles where I am just one of 10,000 Assyrian residents. If His Beatitude was able to do those things in Sydney, he can definitely do them in Chicago, and those achievements are far harder to pull off than establishing a seminary, monastic orders, library, archive, media center, etc. If he pulled off the former, we should we doubt that he could pull off the latter? Plus, he is as much of an Assyrian nationalist as Allah monyikha d' Mar Dinkha, and he is just as much dedicated to voicing support and putting time and effort to secure an Assyrian homeland for our people in the ancestral region. His recent focus on ecumenism since the visit of the Chaldean Patriarch to Sydney in May 2013 also adds to his realistic outlook on the vision and hope for the future of the ACOE and our people.   

I don't think the general public would agree with the Metropolitan of Australia being elected to the Patriarchate, with all of the public scandals and controversies with womanizing and his various real estate holdings and business deals that surround him.  He stated on an ANB interview, approximately two weeks ago, that unity with the Catholic Church will not happen.  The Church in Australia should receive much credit for the accomplishments there, but one must remember, the funds and programs are benefit of the Australian government, and the remainder of funds came from individuals.  Members in the Australian Diocese have repeatedly requested, and have been repeatedly denied when asked to view the financials of the Diocese, which is odd.  If the U.S. church members had those same benefits here, the ACOE churches in Chicago and the 209, and elsewhere, don't you think Mar Dinkha and the U.S. Bishops would have done the same thing as was done in Australia?  If they could and didn't, then the ultimate question would be why in the world not? 

I would prefer Mar Paulus, regardless of age or tenure as a Bishop because of his education, anti-isolationist mindset, and view his age as actually a benefit for the future of the ACOE, the youth.  But I do want to ask why nobody has considered Mar Aprem Mooken of India?  He is one of the most tenured, educated, and the Bishop with the largest Diocese in the Church. 

Anyway, we shouldn't to turn the thread announcing the passing of the Patriarch into a back and forth about who should succeed and why.  This isn't the place for it.  Please start a separate thread. 

May he RIP.
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2015, 09:45:07 PM »
"Iraq" isn't Mesoptamia, is it?

North America didn't try destroying the church, did it?

Yeah, let's just move it to Arbela, so Kurds can take advantage of it just like Iraqi Arabs did to the Chaldean Church and the Syrian Arabs to the Syriac Church. Brilliant idea. A round of applause for you guys.

The churches are dying anyway(thank god ;)). Soon this won't be an issue.
Iraq is in Mesopotamia just like how Georgia is in the Caucasus. Mesopotamia is our native land. It may be dangerous and uninhabitable nowadays, but it shouldn't efface the fact that Northern Iraq is NOT our homeland.

I would prefer if we have Mar Meelis as the next one, in Australia. He is a very well respected man, and also young.
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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2015, 09:51:03 PM »
Who is this Mar Meelis guy?

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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2015, 10:02:11 PM »
Who is this Mar Meelis guy?
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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2015, 11:21:08 PM »
Iraq is in Mesopotamia just like how Georgia is in the Caucasus. Mesopotamia is our native land. It may be dangerous and uninhabitable nowadays, but it shouldn't efface the fact that Northern Iraq is NOT our homeland.

I would prefer if we have Mar Meelis as the next one, in Australia. He is a very well respected man, and also young.
Mesopotamia is straddled across Iran(Khuzestan province), Iraq, Syria, and Turkey and Iraq includes non-Mesopotamian portions. So, Iraq is not our homeland, and Arbela is no longer an Assyrian city, and neither is Baghdad area(Selucia-Ctesiphon). If it gets moved, it needs to be directly moved to the Nineveh Plains, Nuhadra, Tur Abdin, or Gazarto, where we still have large population centers, regardless of the safety concerns. Yes, I'm aware of Ankawa, but the majority of the city(Arbela) is Kurdish.

I don't see the purpose of moving it from the Eastern U.S. to Australia. The Vatican doesn't move now, does it? The person moves to it.

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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2015, 01:40:10 AM »
google is your friend

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2015, 01:43:31 AM »
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Searched and found this, I don't know what he is saying so you can translate what he did that was so "hateful".


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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2015, 11:03:28 AM »
Searched and found this, I don't know what he is saying so you can translate what he did that was so "hateful".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrqRSfHn1tA


judging from the more thumb downs than ups and the name of the channel of the uploader is "OurEvilBishop", you're too brainless to see it's propaganda...

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2015, 12:39:15 PM »
I am glad to see the negative comments were removed by AINA and I see some negative posts here are removed as well. There is a real illness in our nation when we place all responsibility on one leader for everything. I was born in Chicago and remember well when there were only 5,000 Assyrians living there. We had been living in Chicago since the early 1900's and what did we achieve in all that time? We had newspapers and magazines and book publishing in Assyrian, but that all died out by the start of WWI. We had one club that was part of the federation and several churches (the Church of the East was not even in the majority then). We had parties and picnics, but no schools save for one attempt at Assyrian language classes at Northeastern, and no libraries or other national / communal institutions or services. In the early 1970's our numbers swelled due to the flight from Iraq. We were something like 70,000 and now we are 100,000. What did we gain from that huge influx of immigration? More churches, more clubs, several of which were based in our ever present clan mentality. We have the AUA Foundation and the Mutwa that both try to get money from the government but who knows exactly what they do with it and in any case it is not intended to promote national institutions or our culture. I was involved in the Ashurbanipal Library and I know very well and firsthand how little support we received from the Assyrian community.

If Assyrians have failed to achieve great things in the way of establishing strong institutions and advancing and preserving our language and culture in the United States, the responsibility for that failure cannot be laid at the feet of one man or one church. It is all our failing. It is our illness. I think that since the time of the foreign missions, we have learned to be dependent on others. We refuse to stand up on our own. We bicker and fight and pull down every effort and we look to others to solve our problems.

I agree that the seat of the Patriarchate should return to Arbil (I say return because it was once there). But will we as a people have the courage to seriously consider that we as a nation cannot survive in this land of exile? Will we return to our homeland in any significant numbers to sustain our existence as a nation? Or will we fight and criticize anyone but ourselves as we melt away into oblivion? Yes, great things have been accomplished in Australia, but that is no guarantee that we will survive there.

It ironic that for years the Chaldeans reproached Assyrians because we left Iraq under pressures which did not seem to affect them. Now after many years and a huge exodus of Chaldeans into the diaspora, we can see in the recent disputes within the Chaldean Church over the priests who left Iraq without permission the seeds of a large argument. Is the future of the Chaldean Church in its homeland or in the diaspora? I think Mar Sako knows the answer very well. Just as many Assyrian Presbyterians melted into the general Protestant community in the United States and largely lost their nationality along with their language, in a few generations, we may see the same happen to the Chaldeans in the west. We have already seen several in CA leave the Chaldean rite for the Latin rite over the imposition of “Chaldean Nationalism”.

Again, it’s not one church or one leader or one political party or one western nation that can or will save us. It is up to all of us to do the things we need to do to save ourselves.   

Finally, since this thread is about Mar Dinkha, I will say that he will be sorely missed. He loved us all very much. That is what I will always remember about him. He seemed to know everyone and he would remember all sorts of details about people and their families. He was truly a loving father to us. There is nothing more important that I can think of that we should ask for in a Patriarch. Whoever the synod chooses, I have faith that he will be up to the task of leading the Church in this terrible time. I also know that we can help his successor by being positive and supportive and responding honestly and constructively when asked to help.

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Re: Sad breaking news: Mar Dinkha has passed away!
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2015, 01:48:27 PM »
Kitab, that was very well-said brother! Nice prospective from someone who was born and lived in America all their life.

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