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« on: December 01, 2010, 11:27:45 AM »
I know, I know. I hate google translate too. But this isn't too difficult to understand. Just FYI.

Criticism of the Iraqi national and Talabani welcomed the proposal by a Christian establishment of a zone for Christians
الاثنين, 29 نوفمبر 2010 04:02 . Monday, November 29, 2010 04:02. بغداد : Baghdad:
انتقد نواب عن القائمة العراقية والتحالف الوطني، الأحد، مقترح رئيس الجمهورية جلال الطالباني بإنشاء منطقة خاصة للمسيحيين في منطقة سهل نينوى، فيما أيدت قائمة الرافدين الكلد آشورية المقترح، معتبرة انه مشروع وفقا للدستور العراقي. Criticized by some deputies from the list, the Iraqi National Alliance, Sunday, a proposal by President Jalal Talabani, the establishment of a special area for Christians in the Nineveh plain area, while the supported list of Mesopotamia Assyrian Alcald proposal, arguing that the project in accordance with the Constitution of Iraq.

وقال النائب عن القائمة العراقية عز الدين الدولة ، إن "هذه المبادرة دعوة إلى تمزيق المجتمع العراقي"، مبينا أن "حصر المسيحيين في محافظة واحدة هو إنهاء للنسيج الاجتماعي بهذه الطريقة". The MP said the Iraqi List, Izz al-Din State, said, "This initiative is an invitation to tearing Iraqi society," noting that "the inventory of Christians in the province and is one end of the social fabric in this way."

وكان الرئيس العراقي جلال طالباني قدم خلال حديث صحفي مقترحا بتشكيل قوات خاصة من أبناء الطائفة المسيحية لحماية مساكنهم ودور عبادتهم، أو القدوم إلى إقليم كردستان لحل جزء من المشكلة التي يواجهها المسيحيون في العراق على خلفية التهديدات الإرهابية التي تستهدفهم. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani made during the interview suggested the formation of special forces of the sons of the Christian community to protect their homes and places of worship, or to come to Kurdistan to resolve part of the problem faced by Christians in Iraq against the backdrop of terrorist threats aimed at them.

من جهته أشار النائب عن التحالف الوطني حنين قدو ، إلى أن "محاولة خلق كانتونات معينة بشكل مقصود أو غير مقصود إساءة للوحدة العراقية"، معتبرا أن "محاولة دعوة المسيحيين إلى كردستان وكركوك أو إنشاء كانتونات في منطقة معينة مبادرة خطيرة لتجزئة العراق وفق الأساس العرقي". For his part, MP for the National Alliance nostalgia Kadow, that "the attempt to create cantons specific intentional or unintentional abuse of Iraqi unity," adding that "trying to call Christians to Kurdistan, Kirkuk or the establishment of cantons in a particular area initiative of serious fragmentation of Iraq, according to the basis of ethnic" .

من جانبه دعا عضو التحالف الوطني خالد الملا ، إلى "إيجاد بدائل أخرى وآليات حقيقية لحماية المسؤولين"، معتبرا أن "وقوف السياسيين عند مقترح جمعهم في مكان واحد سيزعزع الثقة فيما بينهم". For his part, called the National Alliance member Khalid Al Mulla, to "find other alternatives and real mechanisms to protect those responsible," adding that "when politicians and the parking proposed putting them in one place would shake confidence in them."

وكان محافظ نينوى اثيل النجيفي قد أعلن في مؤتمر صحافي قبل أيام أن الحكومة المركزية قد وافقت على حق احتفاظ كل عائلة في المحافظة بقطعة سلاح من اجل حماية أفرادها، وذلك بعد ازدياد حالات الاعتداء على الأسر خاصة المسيحية منها، فيما أكدت أحزاب مسيحية عراقية رفضها لمشروع تسليح المسيحيين للدفاع عن أنفسهم وبينت أنها لا تريد ما سمته ميليشيات أو صحوات مسلحة. The governor of Nineveh Ethel Nujaifi announced in a press conference a few days ago that the central government has approved the right to keep every family in the province with a weapon in order to protect its personnel, and that after an increase in cases of abuse on families especially Christian ones, as confirmed Christian parties Iraqi rejection of the draft arm Christians to defend themselves and indicated that they do not want what it called Awakening militias or armed groups.

من ناحيته أعتبر النائب عن التحالف الوطني علي العلاق ، أن "المبادرة تنطلق من مبدأ الحرص على المسيحيين وتوفير الأمن لهم"، لكنه استدرك أن "المبادرة تحتاج إلى دراسة وبحث بين الحكومة من جهة والمكونات والمكون المسيحي بالذات من جهة أخرى". For his part, MP for the National Coalition on the Keywords, "The initiative stems from the principle of concern for the Christians and provide them with security," but added that "the initiative need to be studied and discussed between the government on the one hand, components, and the Christians in particular, on the other."

وكانت حكومة إقليم كردستان العراق أعلنت عن تشكيل لجنة وزارية برئاسة وزير الداخلية وعضوية ممثلين عن الكنائس في الإقليم، بهدف تقديم التسهيلات لاستقبال النازحين المسيحيين القادمين من بغداد والموصل، كما أصدر مجلس محافظة النجف أيضا توصية لدوائر المحافظة تنص على السماح للمواطنين المسيحيين بالسكن في كافة مناطق المحافظة، والعمل في كافة دوائرها الرسمية وجامعتها ضمانا لسلامتهم. The Kurdistan Regional Government of Iraq announced the formation of a ministerial committee headed by Interior Minister and the membership of representatives from the churches in the region, in order to provide facilities to receive the displaced Christians from Baghdad and Mosul, the Council also passed the province of Najaf is also the recommendation of the Chambers of the conservative states to allow citizens, Christians live in all areas of the province , and work in all official departments and university in order to ensure their safety.

بدوره قال رئيس قائمة الرافدين الكلدا اشورية في مجلس النواب يونادم كنا ، إن "قائمته تقيم التفاتة رئيس الجمهورية للمكون المسيحي من خلال هذا المقترح الذي يعد مشروعا وفقا للدستور العراقي". In turn, the head of the list Alcalda Assyrian Mesopotamia in the House of Representatives Kanna, "The list maintains a gesture the president of the Christian component of this proposed project, which is in accordance with the Constitution of Iraq."

وبين كنا أن "الدستور يضمن الحقوق الإدارية والسياسية والقومية للشعب العراقي"، معتبرا أن "المقترح أمر لا يتقاطع مع الولاء الوطني". And we were that "the Constitution guarantees the rights of administrative, political and national to the Iraqi people," adding that "the proposed order does not intersect with national loyalty." This is a reference to Article 125.

وتنص المادة 122 من الدستور العراقي الجديد أن الأخير "يضمن الحقوق الإدارية والسياسية والثقافية والتعليمية للقوميات المختلفة كالتركمان، والكلدان والآشوريين، وسائر المكونات الأخرى، وينظم ذلك بقانون". Article 12[5] of the new Iraqi constitution that the latter "ensures administrative rights, political, cultural and educational development of the various ethnic groups including Turkmen, Chaldeans, Assyrians, and all other components, and is regulated by law."

من جهتها أكدت مفوضية الانتخابات أن تحول محافظة إلى إقليم أو دمجها مع إقليم موجود يحتاج إلى موافقة مجلس تلك المحافظة قبل موافقة مجلس النواب الذي يوعز بدوره إلى المفوضية بإجراء استفتاء على ذلك. For her part, the Electoral Commission to transfer to the territory of the province or territory is merged with the need to maintain that approval of the Council prior to approval by the House of Representatives, which in turn instructs the Commission to hold a referendum on it.

وقال عضو مجلس المفوضين في مفوضية الانتخابات سعد الراوي ، أن "المحافظة ممكن أن تتحول إلى إقليم أو تنضم إلى إقليم موجود بطلب من مجلس المحافظة"، مشيرا إلى أن "المفوضية ستباشر باستحداث سجل ناخبين وإجراء استفتاء على الموضوع بعد أن يأتي إليها طلب من مجلس النواب". A member of the Board of Commissioners in the election commission Saad al-Rawi, the "conservative as possible to become a territory or acceded to the territory is at the request of the provincial council," noting that "The Commission will begin the development of Register voters and a referendum on the subject after that comes the request of the House of Representatives ".

ولا يعتبر مطلب إنشاء محافظة مستقلة للمسيحيين في منطقة سهل نينوى مطلبا جديدا فقد دأب النواب المسيحيون منذ تغيير النظام السياسي في العراق في 2003 على المطالبة بإنشاء هذه المحافظة التي تمثل مناطق انتشارهم الحالي، إلا أن تلك المطالبات كانت تواجه بالرفض خاصة من قبل النواب العرب الذي يعتبرون أن تلك الدعوات تأتي بتشجيع من الكرد لتقليص مساحة محافظة نينوى وبالتالي الاستحواذ أيضا على المناطق المتنازع عليها بين العرب والكرد. Is not considered demand the establishment of an independent province for Christians in the area of the Nineveh Plain new requirement has consistently Representatives Christians since the change of political regime in Iraq in 2003 to demand the establishment of this province that represent areas of deployment now, but that those claims were faced with rejection, especially by Arab members who consider that these calls come from encouraging the Kurds to reduce the area of Nineveh province, and therefore also on the acquisition of the disputed areas between Arabs and Kurds.

ويشير المراقبون إلى أن ضم المحافظة إلى إقليم أو جعلها إقليما مستقلا عملية صعبة تحتاج إلى موافقة ثلثي سكانها، ورغم وجود الحماس من قبل المسيحيين لهذا المقترح، إلا انه قد يلقى معارضة داخل من مجلس النواب، ولاسيما أن رئيس المجلس يمثل الطرف المناوئ لهذا التوجه فضلا عن كونه من المحافظة المقصودة وهي نينوى. Observers point out that the annexation of the province to territory or make it an autonomous territory difficult process need to be approved by two thirds of its population, and despite the existence of enthusiasm by the Christians of this proposal, but he could meet opposition in the House of Representatives, and in particular that the President of the Council represents a party adverse to this approach as well as being of the province of Nineveh which is intended.

يذكر إن المسيحيين العراقيين يتعرضون منذ نهاية شهر تشرين الأول الماضي إلى عمليات استهداف منظمة بدأت بحادثة كنيسة سيدة النجاة الواقعة في منطقة الكرادة وسط العاصمة بغداد بعد اقتحامها من قبل مجموعة مسلحة تمكنت من احتجاز عشرات الرهائن المسيحيين الذين كانوا يقيمون قداس الأحد، وأسفر الحادث عن مقتل وإصابة ما لا يقل عن 125 شخصاً، وقد تبنى تنظيم ما يعرف بدولة العراق الإسلامية التابع لتنظيم القاعدة في بيان له هذا الاعتداء، مهددا باستهداف المسيحيين في العراق مؤسسات وأفرادا، إضافة إلى وقوع عدة استهدافات لعائلات مسيحية في بغداد والموصل أسفرت عن مقتل عدد من أفرادها، الأمر الذي تسبب بهجرة العديد من الأسر المسيحية. The little Iraqi Christians are exposed since the end of the month of October last to the operations targeting the organization began an incident Church of Our Lady of Deliverance, located in the Karrada district of central Baghdad, after storming by the armed group was able to hold dozens of hostages the Christians who lived Sunday Mass, and the incident resulted in the death and injury At least 125 people, has adopted a regulation known as the Islamic State of Iraq's al-Qaeda in a statement the attack, threatening to target Christians in Iraq, institutions and individuals, in addition to the occurrence of several Asthdavat to Christian families in Baghdad and Mosul resulted in the deaths of a number of its members, it which cause the migration of many Christian families.



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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 11:50:35 AM »
I barely survived that broken translation.

But i'll stick to my point I've been trying to make for the past ohh...10 years.

Iraq needs to be split up! There is no historical significance to the Iraqi borders. We all know it was just drawn up on a piece of paper with no regard to the history of the region nor its inhabitants.

Its time for the end of "Iraq" and the creation of Kurdistan (as it pains me to say it), 2 Arab/Islamic states for the Shia and Sunni, and Assyria for the "Christians".

Stop calling for unity. You can't unite these idiots. Break it up already!
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 11:53:26 AM »
You've just described 3/4ths of the world's "countries". It is really a silly argument, Enki, and has little root in reality. Let it go.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 12:06:37 PM »
And here is another statement. Non-Assyrian Iraqi politicians are saying what the ADM has been saying for years: no such areas defined by ethnicity and religion can be created. And the Kurdish politicians come back with "but we support it," without giving any details as to why it matters that they support something invisible and illegal. This is an interesting back and forth. Almost like Kurds and Arabs are fighting each other to garner our favor. :hmmm:

Of them considered the division of Iraq and some of them see it as a constitutional right
Differing views of the Iraqi parliament on the formation of a Christian Iraqi province



عنكاوا كوم – بغداد – خلود ال بنيان Ankawa com - Baghdad - the immortality of the structure

 Varied views of a number of members of the Iraqi parliament about the proposed creation of conservative Christians, especially, the initiative announced by President Jalal Talabani met with approval and considerable support from the presence of leaders and political parties to Christianity. ففي حين عبر عدد من . While across a number of parliamentarians on the implementation of the proposed on the division of Iraq along ethnic lines, others found that this is unconstitutional and the right of Christians to have their autonomy.

A member of the National Alliance, Ahmad Chalabi of the "Ankawa com" The proposal to form a conservative (province) Christian "is unacceptable. Not permissible to divide Iraq on ethnic and sectarian," indicating that the formation of Iraq's provinces on the basis of sectarian or religious group "is not consistent with reality in Iraq and rejected by the before us. "

 "We want Iraq to be one country for all Iraqis and that every Iraqi has the rights to all governorates of Iraq and all communities of all religions."
 The leaders of the Christian parties had emphasized the formation of conservative Christians, especially the condition they not be built on the basis of ethnicity or religion, but on the basis of administrative, came after a wave of demand for the continuing violence against Christians since 2003 and targeted to their religious identity.

He said Iraqi MP and secretary of the Assyrian Democratic Movement Kanna that the formation of conservative management that will take Christians from the developmental aspects, economic and even cultural and social development, based on the Article (125) of the Iraqi Constitution to ensure that the administrative rights, national and political, educational, and cultural rights of Christians.

And we confirmed its support for the formation of maintaining the condition they not be on the basis of ethnic or religious or sectarian lines because this is tearing apart the fabric of the unity of the Iraqi people and contrary to the Constitution.    He said the National Alliance MP Abbas al-Bayati said provinces does not constitute or establish or emerge in Iraq on the basis of national or sectarian, but on the bases and border management.
Al-Bayati said he could not work on the deportation of Iraqi Christians from all governorates of Iraq and putting them in one place they are deployed in all provinces of southern Iraq to the north.

He stressed the Addourp provide protection for Iraqi Christians in places of residence, wherever they are, whether in the south or north or central Iraq, adding, "so we're not with the formation of provinces on the basis of ethnic, religious and sectarian." Just a side note - here is a non-Assyrian politician saying Christians should be safe "all over Iraq" because they are to be considered equal citizens - and Yonadim Kanna has said the same thing for years, only to be ripped apart by some Assyrians.  Just like last week - every single Christian party in Iraq signed onto a declaration insisting that Europe STOP OFFERING ASYLUM to Christians and making them leave the country...silence. But when ADM said it, all hell broke loose. I just wanted to point that out. Anywho....read on.

And praised the MP for the Kurdistan coalition blocs Farhad Atrushi on the proposal, saying that "the right of the Christians of Iraq to get their autonomy, which offers them what they want from the demands and needs."

He added that the coalition Atrushi Kurdish blocs with the formation of a Christian conservative and he is a constitutional right to the brothers that the Christians have their own self-rule so that they can administer themselves, especially if the majority of Christian living in an area. And continued a member of the Kurdistan coalition blocs "We support this proposal is the fact that Christians have their needs and demands that they knew more than any other component as we look to the formation of the province of the administrative side and the distribution of powers between local governments and the federal government and the provincial government."

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 01:45:48 PM »
And here is another statement. Non-Assyrian Iraqi politicians are saying what the ADM has been saying for years: no such areas defined by ethnicity and religion can be created. And the Kurdish politicians come back with "but we support it," without giving any details as to why it matters that they support something invisible and illegal. This is an interesting back and forth. Almost like Kurds and Arabs are fighting each other to garner our favor. :hmmm:

Of them considered the division of Iraq and some of them see it as a constitutional right
Differing views of the Iraqi parliament on the formation of a Christian Iraqi province



عنكاوا كوم – بغداد – خلود ال بنيان Ankawa com - Baghdad - the immortality of the structure

 Varied views of a number of members of the Iraqi parliament about the proposed creation of conservative Christians, especially, the initiative announced by President Jalal Talabani met with approval and considerable support from the presence of leaders and political parties to Christianity. ففي حين عبر عدد من . While across a number of parliamentarians on the implementation of the proposed on the division of Iraq along ethnic lines, others found that this is unconstitutional and the right of Christians to have their autonomy.

A member of the National Alliance, Ahmad Chalabi of the "Ankawa com" The proposal to form a conservative (province) Christian "is unacceptable. Not permissible to divide Iraq on ethnic and sectarian," indicating that the formation of Iraq's provinces on the basis of sectarian or religious group "is not consistent with reality in Iraq and rejected by the before us. "

 "We want Iraq to be one country for all Iraqis and that every Iraqi has the rights to all governorates of Iraq and all communities of all religions."
 The leaders of the Christian parties had emphasized the formation of conservative Christians, especially the condition they not be built on the basis of ethnicity or religion, but on the basis of administrative, came after a wave of demand for the continuing violence against Christians since 2003 and targeted to their religious identity.

He said Iraqi MP and secretary of the Assyrian Democratic Movement Kanna that the formation of conservative management that will take Christians from the developmental aspects, economic and even cultural and social development, based on the Article (125) of the Iraqi Constitution to ensure that the administrative rights, national and political, educational, and cultural rights of Christians.

And we confirmed its support for the formation of maintaining the condition they not be on the basis of ethnic or religious or sectarian lines because this is tearing apart the fabric of the unity of the Iraqi people and contrary to the Constitution.    He said the National Alliance MP Abbas al-Bayati said provinces does not constitute or establish or emerge in Iraq on the basis of national or sectarian, but on the bases and border management.
Al-Bayati said he could not work on the deportation of Iraqi Christians from all governorates of Iraq and putting them in one place they are deployed in all provinces of southern Iraq to the north.

He stressed the Addourp provide protection for Iraqi Christians in places of residence, wherever they are, whether in the south or north or central Iraq, adding, "so we're not with the formation of provinces on the basis of ethnic, religious and sectarian." Just a side note - here is a non-Assyrian politician saying Christians should be safe "all over Iraq" because they are to be considered equal citizens - and Yonadim Kanna has said the same thing for years, only to be ripped apart by some Assyrians.  Just like last week - every single Christian party in Iraq signed onto a declaration insisting that Europe STOP OFFERING ASYLUM to Christians and making them leave the country...silence. But when ADM said it, all hell broke loose. I just wanted to point that out. Anywho....read on.

And praised the MP for the Kurdistan coalition blocs Farhad Atrushi on the proposal, saying that "the right of the Christians of Iraq to get their autonomy, which offers them what they want from the demands and needs."

He added that the coalition Atrushi Kurdish blocs with the formation of a Christian conservative and he is a constitutional right to the brothers that the Christians have their own self-rule so that they can administer themselves, especially if the majority of Christian living in an area. And continued a member of the Kurdistan coalition blocs "We support this proposal is the fact that Christians have their needs and demands that they knew more than any other component as we look to the formation of the province of the administrative side and the distribution of powers between local governments and the federal government and the provincial government."


Does this mean Kurds are the one who are supporting us to get our own autonomus region? Waleeta whats your point about these?

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 01:46:49 PM »
I barely survived that broken translation.

But i'll stick to my point I've been trying to make for the past ohh...10 years.

Iraq needs to be split up! There is no historical significance to the Iraqi borders. We all know it was just drawn up on a piece of paper with no regard to the history of the region nor its inhabitants.

Its time for the end of "Iraq" and the creation of Kurdistan (as it pains me to say it), 2 Arab/Islamic states for the Shia and Sunni, and Assyria for the "Christians".

Stop calling for unity. You can't unite these idiots. Break it up already!

no Iraq shouldnt break up beacuse of these, we still can live in Iraq but we could have federation system

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 08:28:55 AM »
How come Iraq can turned into like "United Kingdom." They have little country in it, like Great Britain, Ireland, Scotland and Wales....

Is that what they were having those Ideas about Iraq, long ago? I thought I read an article about something like that.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 04:08:02 PM »



Kanna (01/11/2010) : "Christians are distributed in all Iraq and every place hass it own solutions, we are against collecting Christians in Nineveh Plain because there are other than Christians, anything for Christians SPECIFICALLY is against the article /7/ of the constitution"

Audio link : http://arabic.ruvr.ru/2010/11/01/30921382.html

Kanna (days after) "The christian province is legal according to the constitution"



Who can answer this question ?

Why Kanna is against the "Save Heaven" but not the "Province" ?? knowing that bothe are against article /7/ of the kurdo-islamic constituion.

Waleeta, there is no mention of any "region", the game now is a "Province" and there is a big difference.

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 04:20:46 PM »

Please show us where he is quoted as saying "A Christian province is legal according to the constitution". I would be interested to see.


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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 04:31:16 PM »
I barely survived that broken translation.

But i'll stick to my point I've been trying to make for the past ohh...10 years.

Iraq needs to be split up! There is no historical significance to the Iraqi borders. We all know it was just drawn up on a piece of paper with no regard to the history of the region nor its inhabitants.

Its time for the end of "Iraq" and the creation of Kurdistan (as it pains me to say it), 2 Arab/Islamic states for the Shia and Sunni, and Assyria for the "Christians".

Stop calling for unity. You can't unite these idiots. Break it up already!

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 06:12:41 PM »
Waleeta,

Statement by the joint meeting of the so-called "Assyrian" parties : "We ask for a province for OUR PEOPLE according to the request of president Talabani" (Zawaa called for this meeting) : http://www.zowaa.org/nws/ns7/n261110-5.htm

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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 06:15:23 PM »
A.G
 all your posts on avn sing the same tune, you are always anti-zowaa I just want to know
Who do you support? Who do you think should lead our people in Iraq?
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 07:47:39 PM »
Waleeta,

Statement by the joint meeting of the so-called "Assyrian" parties : "We ask for a province for OUR PEOPLE according to the request of president Talabani" (Zawaa called for this meeting) : http://www.zowaa.org/nws/ns7/n261110-5.htm

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I already read this. This does not say "A Christian province is legal according to the Constitution". This does indeed say "province in the Nineveh Plains", and, Ashur, there are another half dozen statements by Zowaa and joint statements from every single Assyrian (and other Christian) political party that have come out since this to clarify the specifics, all of which make it clear that it must be in accordance with the Constitution.  And they specifically mention Article 125 - most recently in the statement to the Ministry of Human rights on Saturday - and including the very statement I posted above. Why do you ignore those? 

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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2010, 11:17:05 AM »
Waleeta. I replied to this topic just to correct what you said about "region", because Zawaa and other so-called "parties" are asking for a "province". Does this mean anything to you ?  And yes that's what I'm trying to say, zawaa has other startments asking and denying and admiting .. and and .. every time a new song, that's exactly what I'm trying to say.

Free Assyria, I'm with everyone who works for protecting the Assyrian factors of nationalism (Identity and Fate), anyone who works against them is my enemy and everyone who do not work for them is a waste of time.

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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2010, 12:45:06 PM »
Ashur, 

To the contrary: the adm has always said 2 things: they are against any type of "area" (despite what it may be called by various parties) for ASSYRIANS or CHRISTIANS only, because it is both unconstitutional and political poison. This has not changed.

Second, they have always said they will pursue what is legal (and in accordance to) the Iraqi constitution), beginning with Article 125 which describes administrative rights. The use of the word province now is incidental and reaction (I assume) to the backlash against them for refusing one...but, as always, they add the qualifier "in accordance with the Constitution". Political posturing by politicians may be annoyingl but there has never been a change in these two principles.

The Province mention, in fact, does have basis in the Iraqi constitution (as long as it is defined geographically), whereas "safe haven" and "autonomy" do not (and also have no basis in law). We may see a shift in rhetoric, but it's a shift which has basis in law and isn't necessarily political poison.

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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 01:19:03 PM »
No need to assume, Zawaa and the other clowns have their reasons for chosing every word, and soon i'm going to explain why they asked for a "province" in my coming article. The story of kurdifying the so-called Nineveh plain goes back to Oct/2003 electoral carnaval of Zawaa.

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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2010, 01:22:26 PM »
I have a question for you, then.

In your research article regarding the motives for choosing this word, will you actually be calling Zowaa and interviewing them? Asking them? How about the Majlis? Or the Chaldean party? Is there anyone in Iraq you plan on talking to who is actually involved in this conference, to any of the signatories, and discussing with them your theories and ideas to get their reaction, their explanations, or thoughts - whether or not you agree or believe anything they say - will you actually have a discussion with the parties involved?

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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2010, 02:58:24 PM »
It's just an article where I'll address a prsonal opinion as usually, their answers are in their official platforms and statements, and their way of thinking and working.

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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2010, 11:46:09 AM »
Assyrians can never demand a safe-heaven as the state is as for now not persecuting Assyrians but groups who might be affiliated with some state organs are.  This means that the international community can not form a safe-heaven for us. A province however, is probable.
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2010, 11:54:05 AM »
AG,

in every "editorial" that you write, you slam Kanna and the ADM calling them every name under the sun attacking their political position, dissecting and twisting any statements they make.   You have this obssession with Younadam Kanna that is really mind boggling.  Does he even know who you are?  Now that all of the Assyrian political parties come together with a purpose, you call them traitors.  You attack "their way of thinking and working" yet you do nothing to contribute to promoting the Assyrian cause, you in fact are contributing to the demise of it.  People should be calling you a hypocrite for your own actions and words.  I also believe that the only reason people are not calling you a hypocrite is because ultimately your "editorials" mean nothing to anyone having ANYTHING to do with the Iraqi political spectrum, or the Assyrian political spectrum for that matter.   You sit in Lebanon and give your "opinions" and speculate on political matters taking place in another country that you know NOTHING ABOUT.  If you had ANY influence or clout within the Iraqi political spectrum, or if people really believed your empty words, than they might carry some weight.  But guess what?  They don't.  

Why don't you try to make a positive difference?  Really.  Just try.  
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2010, 07:35:32 PM »
I barely survived that broken translation.

But i'll stick to my point I've been trying to make for the past ohh...10 years.

Iraq needs to be split up! There is no historical significance to the Iraqi borders. We all know it was just drawn up on a piece of paper with no regard to the history of the region nor its inhabitants.

Its time for the end of "Iraq" and the creation of Kurdistan (as it pains me to say it), 2 Arab/Islamic states for the Shia and Sunni, and Assyria for the "Christians".

Stop calling for unity. You can't unite these idiots. Break it up already!

Always ask yourself "What Would America Want"?!  They're not going to create two Muslim state while on the way to destroy one of the biggest ones. 
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2010, 11:30:57 AM »
"In 2005, President Bush offered the creation of an Assyrian-Christian haven in Iraq. He even offered to train and arm an Assyrian force.

Y. Kanna rejected the idea.

Later, President Bush, in his visit to country of Georgia, in response to a q...uestion put to him by an Assyrian, blamed the Assyrians the "attitude" for not being able to help the Assyrians in Iraq."

A guy on FB is posting this. Any truth in it? Doesnt seem that far-fetched lol.
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2010, 08:34:52 PM »
HELL NO.  Bush doesn't even know what an Assyrian is.  He probably thought they were talking about Syria, and he wanted to protect them from hezbollah.

The ADM has always stood against a Christian 'zone' because it would demise and marginalize us in Iraq.  There were talks of training an Assyrian force, but I believe that was blocked by the Kurds and their Assyrian puppets.
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2010, 09:31:34 PM »
HELL NO.  Bush doesn't even know what an Assyrian is.  He probably thought they were talking about Syria, and he wanted to protect them from hezbollah.

The ADM has always stood against a Christian 'zone' because it would demise and marginalize us in Iraq.  There were talks of training an Assyrian force, but I believe that was blocked by the Kurds and their Assyrian puppets.

hang on i thought that eventually got through.
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2010, 05:29:00 PM »
hang on i thought that eventually got through.

I don't believe they received the funding for it. 
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Re: New Article on the establishment of a "Christian" region
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2010, 06:56:28 PM »
It did get approved, it was fully funded, it took a phone call from then Representative Mark Kirk to call the American General in Mosul and tell him to tell the Deputy Governor (KDP) Khisro Goran to stop blocking the local police force. They had no choice anymore. 700 men signed up, almost all Assyrian. Unfortunately, they were then moved by khasro goran out of the Nineveh Plains to the city of Mosul and cut their pay. So a lot of them quit.

 

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