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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2017, 04:49:49 AM »
If you look at Proto Indo-European words, there seems to be much commonality with Proto-Semitic roots. At the very least, it suggests a close proximity between the speakers of the languages -one of the many reasons why upper Mesopotamia is most likely the urheimat (birthplace) of Proto Semitic.
Well, they have proposed the Nostratic language family, which includes Indo-European, Afro-Asiatic, Japonic, Korean and Uralic languages having the same common ancestor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languages

There's also Indo-Semitic, which hypothesizes that Semitic and Indo-European languages have the same ancestor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Semitic_languages
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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2017, 03:55:40 AM »
I realized the English word "woe" is related to the Assyrian word "wai" (as in the song, Wai Wai Minakh by Sargon Gabriel, meaning "woe from you"). Astonishingly, the proto-Indo European word is "wai", which is quite identical to the modern Assyrian word. Both "wai" and "akh" (which is also used in Arabic - "akh minak") are in the Syriac dictionary. And it appears that "wai" is a classical Syriac word. So maybe it has genetic ties to the proto-Indo European word *wai?

Akh: http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=30429&language=id
Wye: http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=16457&language=id

The Indo-European cognate include; Latin vae, Lithuanian vaĩ, Russian увы́ (uvý), Middle Irish fáe, Dutch wee, German weh, Danish ve, French ouais, Ancient Greek οὐαί (ouaí), Armenian վայ (vay) and Persian وای (vây).
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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2017, 01:01:00 PM »
I realized the English word "woe" is related to the Assyrian word "wai" (as in the song, Wai Wai Minakh by Sargon Gabriel, meaning "woe from you"). Astonishingly, the proto-Indo European word is "wai", which is quite identical to the modern Assyrian word. Both "wai" and "akh" (which is also used in Arabic - "akh minak") are in the Syriac dictionary. And it appears that "wai" is a classical Syriac word. So maybe it has genetic ties to the proto-Indo European word *wai?

Akh: http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=30429&language=id
Wye: http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/sureth/dosearch.php?searchkey=16457&language=id

The Indo-European cognate include; Latin vae, Lithuanian vaĩ, Russian увы́ (uvý), Middle Irish fáe, Dutch wee, German weh, Danish ve, French ouais, Ancient Greek οὐαί (ouaí), Armenian վայ (vay) and Persian وای (vây).


I've also noticed these similarities. It's very interesting since they are words that describe such basic emotions.
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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2017, 10:00:49 PM »
What I gathered from this really instructive thread is that these words are likely to have genetic connections to proto Indo-European:

Ayna: Eye
Ara: Earth (Proto-Indo-European *h₁er- compare Ancient Greek *ἔρα *éra)
Wai: Woe
Tara: Door (Proto-Indo-European *dʰwer- “doorway, door, gate”, compare German Tür)


These words I'm not sure of, but should be put in perspective:

Laya: Light (Proto-Indo-European root *lewk- “light”)
Manay: Meaning
Sawer: Swear (from PIE *swer- “to speak, talk” - Perhaps related to Semitic root s-w-t/sawt; voice?)
Qat-qit: Cut (from Proto-Germanic *kutjaną, *kuttaną; “to cut”)
Khzee: See (from Proto-Indo-European *sekʷ- “to see, notice”


"Zruch" ("scratch") and "boot" ("about") are probably coincidental. Also, "cat" (qatoo) is said to be derived from the ancient Egyptian word "čaute".

P.S. Would you say that the Afro-Asiatic languages gave rise to Indo-European? Could AA be an ancestor to IE?
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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2017, 09:33:44 AM »
P.S. Would you say that the Afro-Asiatic languages gave rise to Indo-European? Could AA be an ancestor to IE?

I think they most likely have a common origin. Sister languages, or cousins.
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« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2017, 08:29:56 PM »
Interesting theory. It's possible there's a connection but the afro-asiatic languages originated far away from where indo-european did. I can't think of a migration route that would make sense. Indo-European likely originated in modern day Ukraine.

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« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2017, 11:09:21 PM »
Interesting theory. It's possible there's a connection but the afro-asiatic languages originated far away from where indo-european did. I can't think of a migration route that would make sense. Indo-European likely originated in modern day Ukraine.
Afro-Asiatic languages originated in eastern Africa. They then spread to north Africa and out to western Asia. Maybe AA eventually reached the Caucasus and eastern Europe, and then perhaps proto Indo-European started to diverge from it?

Indo European, Turkic and Uralic languages didn't come out of thin air. They all probably some how diverged from Afro-Asiatic, or at least share a "common ancestor" with AA.
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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2018, 02:05:24 AM »
I noticed our verbs/prepositions are identical to those in English, except they have 'switched' meanings.

We (Assyrian as in "we spy" - "be good")
In (Assyrian as in "in azen" - "if I go")
Be (Assyrian as in "be idee" - "with my hand")
It (Assyrian as in "heh, it" - "yes, there is")
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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2018, 09:54:20 AM »
I noticed our verbs/prepositions are identical to those in English, except they have 'switched' meanings.

We (Assyrian as in "we spy" - "be good")
In (Assyrian as in "in azen" - "if I go")
Be (Assyrian as in "be idee" - "with my hand")
It (Assyrian as in "heh, it" - "yes, there is")


"we" - ܗܘܝ - 'h-w-y'
"I go" is actually "(a)zelee"
"it" actually means existence so you're really saying "yes, it exists"
look at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%DC%90%DC%9D%DC%AC%DC%98%DC%AC%DC%90

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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2018, 02:35:50 AM »
"we" - ܗܘܝ - 'h-w-y'
"I go" is actually "(a)zelee"
"it" actually means existence so you're really saying "yes, it exists"
look at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%DC%90%DC%9D%DC%AC%DC%98%DC%AC%DC%90

"I go" in my dialect is "b'azen" or "khashen". Of course, this would differ in other dialects, such as Tyari and Jelu ones.

I know "it" means existence. That's what my previous post exemplified.

What about "in"? The "if" in our language. What is its root?
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Re: Roots of Latin & Latin influenced languages = Assyrian ?
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2018, 10:14:18 AM »
"I go" in my dialect is "b'azen" or "khashen". Of course, this would differ in other dialects, such as Tyari and Jelu ones.

I know "it" means existence. That's what my previous post exemplified.

What about "in"? The "if" in our language. What is its root?

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