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For those that are not caught up, their have been some developement in Iraq unfavorably of our nation.
The new Iraqi Electoral Committee of nine members, did not include any Assyrian representation (it does include shiite, suuni, kurdi, and even Turkmen) Mr. Kanna and Ablahad Afram* (suprise suprise, unity here?) have recentaly been critical of this, and are demanding review or they will challenge it through the courts of law.

*For those that don't know who he is, his the Chaldean representative in the 275-parliement, allied with the Kurdistan list - but get this; in this article it states that Kurds part of the parliement are unfavor of Christian representative, but Mr. Afram was courageious enough to responded to his allied Kurd representative by saying "he (the nominee) is more capable and efficient that you in this position". Mr. Kanna is also quoted in that article with anger.


In this article, Mr. Kanna makes his case.

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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 08:35:05 AM »
I am glad you brought it up Chaldean, and this is quiet serious.

The fact that our reps are standing up to this, means a lot, and will mean a lot in the future. This will show them that Christians, after all, are not frail and weak. Not Mr.Kanna at least.

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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2007, 09:01:41 PM »
What does this mean? what will happen next?
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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2007, 05:04:38 PM »
It means the same as it always did.  We amount to **** b/c we don't DEMAND that we amount to something.

Put it like this...they dress up the composition of iraq as ethnic arab, or kurd, or turcoman, or Assyrian...but the reality of the breakdown is this:

muslim - in here you have the two **** sects as well that will NEVER become harmonius with each other.
Non-muslim

If there was a federal Iraq with all rights and privileges given to muslims, and there was no "kurdistan ideology' then the turcomen would shut up and be happy with their place in a federal iraq.

don't bull**** yourself for one second that we're an ETHNIC minority on the same level as turcomen or kurdish or whatever.

we sit and wait for scraps, celebrating the birthday of this group or that group and scratching out a meagre existence from our own hands (thanks to Zowaa and AAS donors).

these leaders should be in front of the international community demand our rights, equal (at a MINIMUM representation, and I say at a minimum b/c as the indigenous people of iraq we have more of a right to be in Iraq than the kurds, or the turcomen or the marsh arab sand ******s infesting that nation) representation and proclaim EVERY single Christian death as a GENOCIDE, because that is what it is, against our people.  The world sat by for Darfur, they don't give a **** to stand by and watch it happen in Iraq.  We're leaving in droves, languishing in refugee camps or spending our last dollars waiting for governments the world over to let our people in.  INstead we have a legitimate political party that is trying to sing a song that we're Iraqis and want a federal Iraq and blah blah.  We were quiet at the beginning b/c we were afraid.  They still killed us.  So what's the point in playing nice now?  We're gonna get killed either way.  At least go on record as saying enough's enough.

The kurds, the stupid kurds, did it.  Now they're above us.  And we look like assholes running from our own country.

Nothing will happen. Period.







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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2007, 09:12:15 PM »
It means the same as it always did.  We amount to **** b/c we don't DEMAND that we amount to something.

Put it like this...they dress up the composition of iraq as ethnic arab, or kurd, or turcoman, or Assyrian...but the reality of the breakdown is this:

muslim - in here you have the two **** sects as well that will NEVER become harmonius with each other.
Non-muslim

If there was a federal Iraq with all rights and privileges given to muslims, and there was no "kurdistan ideology' then the turcomen would shut up and be happy with their place in a federal iraq.

don't bull**** yourself for one second that we're an ETHNIC minority on the same level as turcomen or kurdish or whatever.

we sit and wait for scraps, celebrating the birthday of this group or that group and scratching out a meagre existence from our own hands (thanks to Zowaa and AAS donors).

these leaders should be in front of the international community demand our rights, equal (at a MINIMUM representation, and I say at a minimum b/c as the indigenous people of iraq we have more of a right to be in Iraq than the kurds, or the turcomen or the marsh arab sand ******s infesting that nation) representation and proclaim EVERY single Christian death as a GENOCIDE, because that is what it is, against our people.  The world sat by for Darfur, they don't give a **** to stand by and watch it happen in Iraq.  We're leaving in droves, languishing in refugee camps or spending our last dollars waiting for governments the world over to let our people in.  INstead we have a legitimate political party that is trying to sing a song that we're Iraqis and want a federal Iraq and blah blah.  We were quiet at the beginning b/c we were afraid.  They still killed us.  So what's the point in playing nice now?  We're gonna get killed either way.  At least go on record as saying enough's enough.

The kurds, the stupid kurds, did it.  Now they're above us.  And we look like assholes running from our own country.

Nothing will happen. Period.



Actually Christianity is no different when it comes to oppression and religious wars. Just look at Northern Ireland and its conflict between Catholics and Protestants.

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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2007, 09:56:48 PM »

Actually Christianity is no different when it comes to oppression and religious wars. Just look at Northern Ireland and its conflict between Catholics and Protestants.

Your going off topic.

It means the same as it always did.  We amount to **** b/c we don't DEMAND that we amount to something.

Put it like this...they dress up the composition of iraq as ethnic arab, or kurd, or turcoman, or Assyrian...but the reality of the breakdown is this:

muslim - in here you have the two **** sects as well that will NEVER become harmonius with each other.
Non-muslim

If there was a federal Iraq with all rights and privileges given to muslims, and there was no "kurdistan ideology' then the turcomen would shut up and be happy with their place in a federal iraq.

don't bull**** yourself for one second that we're an ETHNIC minority on the same level as turcomen or kurdish or whatever.

we sit and wait for scraps, celebrating the birthday of this group or that group and scratching out a meagre existence from our own hands (thanks to Zowaa and AAS donors).

these leaders should be in front of the international community demand our rights, equal (at a MINIMUM representation, and I say at a minimum b/c as the indigenous people of iraq we have more of a right to be in Iraq than the kurds, or the turcomen or the marsh arab sand ******s infesting that nation) representation and proclaim EVERY single Christian death as a GENOCIDE, because that is what it is, against our people.  The world sat by for Darfur, they don't give a **** to stand by and watch it happen in Iraq.  We're leaving in droves, languishing in refugee camps or spending our last dollars waiting for governments the world over to let our people in.  INstead we have a legitimate political party that is trying to sing a song that we're Iraqis and want a federal Iraq and blah blah.  We were quiet at the beginning b/c we were afraid.  They still killed us.  So what's the point in playing nice now?  We're gonna get killed either way.  At least go on record as saying enough's enough.

The kurds, the stupid kurds, did it.  Now they're above us.  And we look like assholes running from our own country.

Nothing will happen. Period.


What pisses me off is watching how other countries treat their indigenous people eg Australia (not very good but we could only wish of this treatment) or New Zealand and then watching how Iraq treats theirs.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2007, 10:46:26 PM by Assyriska »
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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2007, 10:08:56 PM »
Your going off topic.

What pisses me off is watching how other countries treat their indigenous people eg Australia (not very good but we could only wish of this treatment) or New Zealand and then watching how Iraq treats theirs.

Whatever you say.
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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2007, 10:36:46 PM »
What pisses me off is watching how other countries treat their indigenous people eg Australia (not very good but we could only wish of this treatment) or New Zealand and then watching how Iraq treats theirs.

The world's attention is on underrepresented minorities and indigenous peoples, those suffering in civil wars and religious persecution - except the Assyrians are generally ignored.  It's infuriating.  The only people who ever help Assyrians are other Assyrians, and that isn't sustainable.

You will always hear some try to play us down as "overreacting", or doing things incorrectly, or trying to compare us to other nations, but in comparison, even those in Darfur who are suffering have celebrities, the media, international NGOs putting heads and cash together to try and stop the genocide.  No one pays attention to what is happening to the world's oldest civilization.

--As an edit, there were 14,000 terrorist attacks last year.  More than half of the victims were Muslim.  70% were civilian.  Most were in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Almost all perpetrators were Muslim. 
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The world's attention is on underrepresented minorities and indigenous peoples, those suffering in civil wars and religious persecution - except the Assyrians are generally ignored.  It's infuriating.  The only people who ever help Assyrians are other Assyrians, and that isn't sustainable.

You will always hear some try to play us down as "overreacting", or doing things incorrectly, or trying to compare us to other nations, but in comparison, even those in Darfur who are suffering have celebrities, the media, international NGOs putting heads and cash together to try and stop the genocide.  No one pays attention to what is happening to the world's oldest civilization.

You are not Sumerian. The Assyrians are more closer related to the Akkadians, a semetic people than there are to the Sumerians which aren't semetic.

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--As an edit, there were 14,000 terrorist attacks last year.  More than half of the victims were Muslim.  70% were civilian.  Most were in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Almost all perpetrators were Muslim. 

You could just all move to the United States if you are so deeply afraid of extinction.

The United States would take good care of you for three good reasons.

1) You speak Aramaic, which is a language spoken by Jesus.
2) You are christian and practically everyone in the United States is Christian to some degree.
3) You aren't hispanic, which means you won't present such a problem as Mexicans currently do for the United States.

That is three good reasons why you can be accepted in the United States.


And if you want help so badly, just ask MSNBC if you can speak to them about your situation and point on that you are christians. Certainly if the Americans knew who you were they would help you out. But they don't even know who you are. The only thing they know that is in Iraq or in the Middle East are the following:

1) Sunnis/Arabs/al Queda
2) Shiites/Iranians
3) Kurds (if they are ever brought up)
4) Israelis/Jews

Americans spend a ton on christian charities. Certainly you could establish your own and have it appear on American television.
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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2007, 10:58:29 PM »
You are not Sumerian. The Assyrians are more closer related to the Akkadians, a semetic people than there are to the Sumerians which aren't semetic.

You could just all move to the United States if you are so deeply afraid of extinction.

The United States would take good care of you for three good reasons.

1) You speak Aramaic, which is a language spoken by Jesus.
2) You are christian and practically everyone in the United States is Christian to some degree.
3) You aren't hispanic, which means you won't present such a problem as Mexicans currently do for the United States.

That is three good reasons why you can be accepted in the United States.


And if you want help so badly, just ask MSNBC if you can speak to them about your situation and point on that you are christians. Certainly if the Americans knew who you were they would help you out. But they don't even know who you are. The only thing they know that is in Iraq are the following:

1) Sunnis/Arabs/al Queda
2) Shiites/Iranians
3) Kurds

Americans spend a ton on christian charities. Certainly you could establish your own and have it appear on American television.

What nationality are you?
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2007, 11:00:19 PM »
What nationality are you?

Why do you ask?

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2007, 11:04:27 PM »
Why do you ask?

Well it’s only fair you know what nationality I am. I think it would explain your opinions. Its ok I promise I won’t bite im an earthly Christian  :)
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2007, 11:07:12 PM »
You are not Sumerian. The Assyrians are more closer related to the Akkadians, a semetic people than there are to the Sumerians which aren't semetic.

You could just all move to the United States if you are so deeply afraid of extinction.

The United States would take good care of you for three good reasons.

1) You speak Aramaic, which is a language spoken by Jesus.
2) You are christian and practically everyone in the United States is Christian to some degree.
3) You aren't hispanic, which means you won't present such a problem as Mexicans currently do for the United States.

That is three good reasons why you can be accepted in the United States.

And if you want help so badly, just ask MSNBC if you can speak to them about your situation and point on that you are christians. Certainly if the Americans knew who you were they would help you out. But they don't even know who you are. The only thing they know that is in Iraq are the following:

1) Sunnis/Arabs/al Queda
2) Shiites/Iranians
3) Kurds

Americans spend a ton on christian charities. Certainly you could establish your own and have it appear on American television.


-Akkadians are not Semetic
-"Assyrian" doesn't refer to a pure ethnicity, it refers to those who lived in Assyria, or Ashur, named so after the God they worshipped, and Sumerians were in this area, so unless they completely disappeared off the face of the planet suddenly, "Assyria" or "Assur" included Sumerians, Aramaens, etc.
-We don't speak aramaic, as much as those who call themselves Aramean would like to believe we do :).  We speak a mixture of Akkadian and Aramaic, but use the Aramaic alphabet.
- The US has made it clear they won't accept more than 25,000 Iraqi refugees, without discrimination (meaning not necessarily all sunni, shia, etc.)
- Assyrians have had media coverage not nearly enough.
- We have our own charities, that need more support.  If you would like to donate:  www.assyrianaid.org
- it is the inherent right of all people to survive on their terms, unoppressed, the right to speak their language, preserve their culture, and the right to land.  Indigenous peoples have even more privileged rights.  These are international conventions according to the UN.  Assyrians aren't afraid of extinction - it's been tried on them for millenia.  We're still here.

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2007, 11:23:52 PM »
Well it’s only fair you know what nationality I am. I think it would explain your opinions. Its ok I promise I won’t bite im an earthly Christian  :)



Well I consider myself to be Earthian as a nationality that of course isn't an actual nationality. But I do think of humans as primitive savages until they can start to co-exist. Being Earthian before anything else associates with my belief that all humans are equals and should respect each other as humans before anything else.

As for my true nationality, that should be an obvious. What country have I been speaking about most recently.


-Akkadians are not Semetic


Oh yes they are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_language

Akkadian language is semetic.

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-"Assyrian" doesn't refer to a pure ethnicity, it refers to those who lived in Assyria, or Ashur, named so after the God they worshipped, and Sumerians were in this area, so unless they completely disappeared off the face of the planet suddenly, "Assyria" or "Assur" included Sumerians, Aramaens, etc.


Sumerians live in Sumer, which is a part of Southern Mesopotamia.

Assyria is properly known as Northern Mesopotamia.

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-We don't speak aramaic, as much as those who call themselves Aramean would like to believe we do :).  We speak a mixture of Akkadian and Aramaic, but use the Aramaic alphabet.


Your Assyrian is a variety of Aramaic. Aramaic it self is more like a language family than an actual language.

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- The US has made it clear they won't accept more than 25,000 Iraqi refugees, without discrimination (meaning not necessarily all sunni, shia, etc.)


Is that if you are a refugee and not just a simple immigrant?

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- Assyrians have had media coverage not nearly enough.


No duh.

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- We have our own charities, that need more support.  If you would like to donate:
 www.assyrianaid.org


I'm poor as dirt. I don't have any money. But you can certainly get some from Christian Church organizations in the United States. Ask them for money.

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- it is the inherent right of all people to survive on their terms, unoppressed, the right to speak their language, preserve their culture, and the right to land.  Indigenous peoples have even more privileged rights.  These are international conventions according to the UN.


Yes but they aren't beinb upheld.

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  Assyrians aren't afraid of extinction - it's been tried on them for millenia.  We're still here.


Well good for you.

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2007, 12:00:37 AM »
Well, thank you for the wikipedia entry but Assyriologists take point with calling Akkadian "semitic", and Assyrians certainly are not.   And Assyria at one point stretched all the way to Ethiopia.

Thank you for the rest of your post. 


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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2007, 12:43:10 AM »
Pshena,
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Akkadians are not Semetic

I think your mistaken about this Waleeta. Anyways, lets get back on topic. Shlama.
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2007, 07:56:29 AM »
Well, thank you for the wikipedia entry but Assyriologists take point with calling Akkadian "semitic", and Assyrians certainly are not.   


I said the Akkadians are Semetic. I said nothing about the Assyrians. What happened to the Akkadians is after they left during the rise of the first Babylonian Empire, they moved south into the Canaan and became the Hebrew people. Abraham was an Akkadian.

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And Assyria at one point stretched all the way to Ethiopia.


You are talking about the Assyrian Empire. An empire is a state that controls various other states that are not ethnically a part of the proper state. Take the Roman Empire for instance. The Romans controlled Egypt, Judea (Israel), Greece, Gaul (Celts), Iberia (Celts and Phonecians), Northern Africa (Bebers), Anatolia, and at one time Assyria with some other parts of Mesopotamia.  Was all of that Rome? Romans use to own your ancestor's land would that not make you, Roman as you imply that Egypt and various other lands in Middle-East were Assyria?

Choose your words carefully.



Dark Green = the actual extent of the Assyrian homeland.
Olive Green = the extent of the Assyrian Empire near its beginning
Light Green = the extent of the Assyrian Empire at its fullness.


By the way the Assyrian Empire only went as far as Northern Sudan.

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Thank you for the rest of your post. 


Whatever you say.
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2007, 10:27:29 AM »
Pshena,
I think your mistaken about this Waleeta. Anyways, lets get back on topic. Shlama.

Hi Chaldean,

There are two schools of thought in academia - Assyriologists are beginning to rethink the Semitism of Akkadians, and Assyrians in general are being categorized as non-Semitic people.  I think it is mostly based on their geography and language.

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2007, 06:19:46 PM »
Waleeta,

Can you point me to articles or research papers were this issue of Akkadians and Assyrians as non-semitic people is being discussed? I'd be interested to know their detailed reasoning.

Thanks,
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2007, 12:00:21 PM »
Hi Chaldean,

There are two schools of thought in academia - Assyriologists are beginning to rethink the Semitism of Akkadians, and Assyrians in general are being categorized as non-Semitic people.  I think it is mostly based on their geography and language.


Scientists are also trying to rethink humans as being more evolved than chimps as now being less evolved. Basically, they now think humans are now less evolved than chimps. You can always trust what they say nowadays, right? I think the scientists have gone off the deep end a little bit. They need to come back to Earth. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18154408/

Heck they are not giving them human rights too. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18498435/

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2007, 12:07:32 PM »
Waleeta,

Can you point me to articles or research papers were this issue of Akkadians and Assyrians as non-semitic people is being discussed? I'd be interested to know their detailed reasoning.

Thanks,
Emil

Sure - email me and I'll get you in contact with someone who could explain it to you much better than me - his field is exactly this.

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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2007, 12:14:04 PM »
I think this map can explain to you abit....



Assyrians are in a area, where around them are people of other Nations...non semetic nations....

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2007, 01:47:48 PM »
I think this map can explain to you abit....



Assyrians are in a area, where around them are people of other Nations...non semetic nations....


That is base off of biblical tales. But there is a single credible evidence that presents it as invalid. Native Americans existed during the time of Noah, not after.

And there were many Noahs or Noah like people. There is a Dravidian Noah, a Polynesian Noah, even an African Noah, and possibly even a European Noah as Indo-European people are not related to Noah. The only people related to Noah are the Bebers, Egyptians, Israelites or Hebrews, Mesopotamians (which includes the Assyrians), Arabs, and other people (possibly the Hittites).



Indo-European people originated around the area North of the Caspien Sea as highlighted in deep red.

The lighter red area is the expansion of purely Indo-European people. The blue shows the area of languages established by Indo-European interaction with non-Indo-European people also known as Proto-Indo-European. The Basque of Northern Spain are a proto-Indo-European people.



Afro-Asiatic is the descending line of people that came from Noah and his boys.

Under Afro-Asiatic you have the following:

Berbers, Chadics, Egyptians, Semitics, Cushiitics, Bejas, Omotics, and Ongotas. They are the descendents of Noah.




Semetic can be divided into the following:

Eastern Semetic (Akkadians and Eblaites)
Western Semetic (Arabic, Aramaic, Canaanite, Ugaritic)
Southern Semetic (Ethiopian)

Canaanite could be further divided into Phonecian, Philistine, Punic, Ammonite, Moabite, Edomite, and Hebrew.

In case you didn't realize, the Hebrew people did not originate in the Canaan. They originated in Mesopotamia and moved into the Canaan around 2000 B.C.E, which around the same time the Babylonians invaded Mesopotamia. They are actually a Eastern Semetic people, since they came from Mesopotamia, speaking a Western Semetic language.

This is no different than the present-day Egyptians being a non-semetic Afro-Asiatic people speaking a Western Semetic language known as Arabic. Or you could take yourselves for example speaking English, when you aren't English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_language

Sumerian is a language isolate likely to have evolved from people native to that region before Semetic people have arrived. Much like the Basque had existed in spain before the Indo-Europeans had arrived.
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2007, 02:37:40 PM »
You people take this semitic term a little too seriously, the bottom line is we all originated from the same apes that came out of Africa, end of story....

Having said that, in the recent history Assyrians based on their language are known as Semites and the same thing with the Akkadians (Akkadian is an eastern Semitic language), but as a race we are mixed and we are only Semites if you decide to base it on our language, other than that there's no pure nation and I truely believe that our background is a mixture of Caucasian-Middle Eastern-Asian-European...

Btw, this whole mumbo jumbo about us speaking a language that's half Aramaic and half Akkadian is nothing but an unproven theory, the real fact is all these Assyriologists don't even know what Akkadian sounds like, how are we going to prove that our language has the most mix of Akkadian in it? for all we know Arabic or Hebrew could be closer to Akkadian than our language, so please enough with the non-sense, we speak Syriac, and Syriac is an Aramaic dialect from northern Mesopotamia, that's our language.

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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2007, 02:54:26 PM »
You people take this semitic term a little too seriously, the bottom line is we all originated from the same apes that came out of Africa, end of story....

If you believe in evolution and like to disregard the possibility of unknown extraterrestrial intervention that turned Homo Erectus into Homo Sapiens.

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Having said that, in the recent history Assyrians based on their language are known as Semites and the same thing with the Akkadians (Akkadian is an eastern Semitic language), but as a race we are mixed.

As a race, you are human. Human in it self is the sole human race on Earth. Everything else from Arab to Native American is just breeds of humans like German Shepard is to a dog. In fact, you will find more similarity between a Greek and a Mongolian than you would between two terriers. That is because humans are so mixed up in the litter and can live for such a long period of time (like over a hundred years) that it is easy to see why the human race hasn't yet split into two.

Taking humans and defining them as races is fine if you are talking to an emotionally explosive individual that characterizes humans by race. But the truth of the matter is, we are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve.

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and we are only Semetics if you decide to base it on our language

Linguistics is the natural manner of tracking the inheritance of people.

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other than that there's no pure nation and I truely believe that our background is a mixture of Caucasian-Middle Eastern-Asian-European...

Almost everyone is a mix of something.

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Btw, this whole mumbo jumbo about us speaking a language that's half Aramaic and half Akkadian is nothing but an unproven theory, the real fact is all these Assyriologists don't even know what Akkadian sounds like, how are we going to prove that our language has the most mix of Akkadian in it? for all we know Arabic or Hebrew could be closer to Akkadian than our language, so please enough with the non-sense, we speak Syriac, and Syriac is an Aramaic dialect from northern Mesopotamia, that's our language.

Yeah that was the point I was trying to cross. Hebrews are Akkadians.
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2007, 03:35:06 PM »
Linguistics is the natural manner of tracking the inheritance of people.

Yeah that was the point I was trying to cross. Hebrews are Akkadians.

Hebrews are not Akkadians, and you cannot track a people's background everytime based on their language.

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2007, 11:40:29 PM »
Anyway’s getting back to the subject,

I think you people (like me earlier) are over reacting we have nothing to worry about guys we have this Assyrian guy in KRG he will help us out and fight for our rights in the Kurdish government. Nothing to fear at all.
"The World has no glory without the Assyrians"

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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2007, 06:14:49 AM »
Guys have Faith into God and into ASSYRIA only...no Younadam Kanna, Sargon Dadesho or Sarki Aghajan...and no Mar Denkha, Mar Delly or Mar Zakka Iwas....


Work for your Nation, work for Assyria....

In palkhet b shrara, khoba u khoyada i matekh l Nishan...mendi raba anaqaya ila SHARERUTHA mbelani....
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Re: Assyrians and the new executive Iraqi election board issue
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2007, 10:51:13 PM »
Hebrews are not Akkadians, and you cannot track a people's background everytime based on their language.


I didn't track down the Hebrews by language.

And by the way, how do you track down a group of people? What kind of crazy incorrect logic do you follow to track down a group of people?

Pottery? That can easily be re-invented.
Genetics? Who isn't part whatever and whatever period of time. Just look at the Hellenistic time period. Practically everyone from India to Egypt was Greek.


So what can you follow?

Historic documents? Only if they aren't falsified. Some work is falsified like some of Leonardo's works, because there weren't copywrite laws back then.

So what can you follow?

Really what is there left without genetics, scriptures, and pottery?

You can still follow language. But I didn't follow language to become certain about the Hebrews. I followed the truth of which you will never understand till you become true to yourself.
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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2007, 12:25:27 AM »
What kind of crazy incorrect logic do you follow to track down a group of people?

Since you actually quoted Tambur when asking the above question, I must remind you that mutual respect is a requirement within these forums. Now, I realize that you didn't directly insult him, but you are mocking him by insinuating his logic is "crazy" and "incorrect."

Disagreeing with his logic or rationale is perfectly fine and I'd encourage you to express your disagreement, but not in a sardonic or rueful manner.

I appreciate your future cooperation, thank you.

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