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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #455 on: January 18, 2010, 02:10:12 PM »
What means Khaima?
I heard it from this song:
Jermain Tamraz ( Khaima Gikhka Khaima Bikhya ) 1974
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #456 on: January 18, 2010, 03:31:15 PM »
John, i think "khaima" means Hayumo, but i am not sure.

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« Reply #457 on: January 18, 2010, 04:15:59 PM »
Its possible. But I miss the letter waw and than the title makes no sence, hot laugh hot weep.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #458 on: January 18, 2010, 04:29:52 PM »
What means Khaima?
I heard it from this song: Jermain Tamraz ( Khaima Gikhka Khaima Bikhya ) 1974


It means "one day".  "Khaima Gikhka, Khaima Bikhya" means Laughing in one day and crying in the other.  "Khaima" is a shortened way of saying "Khda Yoma".

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« Reply #459 on: January 19, 2010, 07:06:32 AM »
Thank you Isay for the explaination, but i think it is more of "Kha yoma". But anyway it is the same. Thanks.

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« Reply #460 on: January 19, 2010, 04:41:17 PM »
Thank you Isay for the explaination, but i think it is more of "Kha yoma". But anyway it is the same. Thanks.

Yeah, sure.  "kha" is more common in the spoken language than "khda".  I was just trying to show the full form of the word (in English transliteration) when it's spelled out and how it ultimately evolved to the spoken "khaima" form.  That's all.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #461 on: January 27, 2010, 11:34:26 AM »
I give - ko-be-no
I get a bike - qoyath-li tangiGlo (the G is a gomal with a dot)

What´s that in east?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #462 on: January 27, 2010, 07:37:16 PM »
I give - Yawin

I get a bike - Shqil-i Tangighla

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #463 on: January 28, 2010, 01:34:33 PM »
John's get was as in when you get something from somebody. How was your, David? Did you mean the same or did you mean buy? We say shqili when we buy something.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #464 on: January 28, 2010, 03:57:38 PM »
We have shqili in west too and it means to us buy and take. But it means more take.
The direct translation for buy is zwan.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #465 on: January 28, 2010, 08:08:20 PM »
Well Shqil-i Tangighla would translate to 'I got a bike'.

And yeah, if we wanted to say 'i bought a bike, you would say Zwin-i

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #466 on: January 29, 2010, 07:26:03 AM »
Well Shqil-i Tangighla would translate to 'I got a bike'.

And yeah, if we wanted to say 'i bought a bike, you would say Zwin-i

Really? Not zw-in-li ?

Btw, means manshin 'I forget' ?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #467 on: January 29, 2010, 08:06:41 PM »
Really? Not zw-in-li ?

Btw, means manshin 'I forget' ?

Oh i say Zwin-i, but yeah both can be used, again depending on the village.

I forget - Manshin
Forget it - Manshee
I forgot - Munsheli
Did you Forget? - Munshelokh

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #468 on: January 31, 2010, 01:06:57 PM »
year - shato
years - ishne

one year ago - meqm shato
two years ago - meqm tarte ishne

What´s that in east?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #469 on: February 01, 2010, 05:02:05 AM »
year - shato
years - ishne

one year ago - meqm shato
two years ago - meqm tre ishne

What´s that in east?
John please, before you write think first. You can not write "tre ishne" because "shato" is feminine not masculone. So it is "tarte ishne". Be carefull please with such things.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #470 on: February 01, 2010, 02:56:03 PM »
John please, before you write think first. You can not write "tre ishne" because "shato" is feminine not masculone. So it is "tarte ishne". Be carefull please with such things.

Thank You, I am often confused with the male and female 2 in Assyrian. I will change it now.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #471 on: February 04, 2010, 05:22:57 PM »
Does shuprani mean my nice (man) ?
And what means khlele ?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #472 on: February 08, 2010, 11:52:44 AM »
What means shmemun ?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #473 on: February 08, 2010, 11:58:14 PM »
Does shuprani mean my nice (man) ?

Not sure.  Did you hear it in a recording that you can post?  Or do you remember what context it was said in?


And what means khlele ?

It sounds like it could mean "It became sweet".  Or it could mean "Is he (or it) not?"



What means shmemun ?

It means "Listen, all of you".

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« Reply #474 on: February 10, 2010, 01:06:49 PM »
Not sure.  Did you hear it in a recording that you can post?  Or do you remember what context it was said in?

I hear it in this song:
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btw, and what means shetrani ?
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« Reply #475 on: February 10, 2010, 03:18:07 PM »

btw, and what means shetrani ?


Oh, OK.  Well, sheTraani means "my good-looking one (masc.)"
I still didn't hear "shuprani" though.  However, shappiir (shap-piir) means "good-looking" also.  You also have that word, pronounced a little differently, in your dialect, too, right?

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« Reply #476 on: February 11, 2010, 06:43:13 AM »
Oh, OK.  Well, sheTraani means "my good-looking one (masc.)"
I still didn't hear "shuprani" though.  However, shappiir (shap-piir) means "good-looking" also.  You also have that word, pronounced a little differently, in your dialect, too, right?


Yes, we have the word shafir/shafiro. But I asked because of the ending -ani. I didn´t know this ending for the 'my-form'.


And what means shimakh tibube ?
Evin Agassi - Shmakh ايوان اغاسي - شماخ
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #477 on: February 11, 2010, 11:36:06 AM »

And what means shimakh tibube ?


Actually, the singer is saying "shemakh ktiwuwen" meaning "I have written your (fem.) name".

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #478 on: February 13, 2010, 11:56:16 AM »
Actually, the singer is saying "shemakh ktiwuwen" meaning "I have written your (fem.) name".

Isn´t it shimakh kthw-li/ktw-li ?
Or does it mean 'I am writing your name' because of the ending wen in ktiwuwen?
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« Reply #479 on: February 13, 2010, 01:24:30 PM »
Isn´t it shimakh kthw-li/ktw-li ?


No, because he is not saying "I wrote your name".  "Wrote" and "Have written" have a slightly different meaning.  I don't want to get too technical in grammar but "Wrote" here is known as the Simple Preterite and "Have written" is known as the Present Perfect.



Or does it mean 'I am writing your name' because of the ending wen in ktiwuwen?
 

In that case it would be "kta-we-wen",  a slight change in the vowels.  An alternative to this word would be to just say "ktawen".  I don't see a discernable difference in meaning between the two.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #480 on: February 22, 2010, 07:35:41 AM »
What means talakh ya moghibta, shwiqali ?

And how do You say 'long time ago.' We say me zawno.
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« Reply #481 on: February 22, 2010, 07:41:43 AM »
What means talakh ya moghibta, shwiqali ?

And how do You say 'long time ago.' We say me zawno.

I believe "qatakh ya mokhibta, shwiqali" means "For you my dear, I left (elakh ya habibto, treli)".
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #482 on: February 23, 2010, 07:40:42 AM »
Common speech -

'I have not heard from you for a long time'  - Aneh Kma Len Shimya Minokh ..... literally - This how much i haven't heard from you 
'I did not here from you for a long time' - Kma La Shme-li minokh .... literally - How much i didn't hear from you
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #483 on: February 23, 2010, 11:37:39 AM »
So You don´t use 'long time' in this phrase?

Btw, how do You say 'do not be ashamed' ? We say lo minakfat (Shame - nekfutho).
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« Reply #484 on: March 03, 2010, 01:51:09 PM »
What do You say to something like 'You will not regret it' ?
We say le ghowat khaziro.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #485 on: March 08, 2010, 03:06:12 PM »
What do You say to something like 'You will not regret it' ?
We say le ghowat khaziro.

You mean "leg howat khaziro"?

In my accent we say "Lat-at khasoro" ܠܝܬ ܐܢܬ ܟܼܣܪܐ
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #486 on: March 08, 2010, 04:50:25 PM »
khdeh lee   b'Khzaytukh


Does that phrase mean there are 3 "deep throat" noises to be made  KH KH KH
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« Reply #487 on: March 08, 2010, 06:12:38 PM »
You mean "leg howat khaziro"?

In my accent we say "Lat-at khasoro" ܠܝܬ ܐܢܬ ܟܼܣܪܐ

I think there is no difference how You say it :)
... because my phrase means 'You will not regret it' and Yours 'You are not regreted/regretful'
If I would say 'You are not regreted/regretful' in Assyrian I would say it like You.
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« Reply #488 on: March 08, 2010, 06:13:50 PM »
khdeh lee   b'Khzaytukh

Does that phrase mean there are 3 "deep throat" noises to be made  KH KH KH

In Your dialect, yes :)
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« Reply #489 on: March 14, 2010, 07:21:20 AM »
What do You say to something like 'You will not regret it' ?
We say le ghowat khaziro.

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