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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by nejepnerast on August 21, 2017, 11:11:00 AM »
Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

History is written as we speak. You'd better concentrate on now and not delude yourself with history too much because very soon you'd go down history as fools.

I don't give a darn if my ancestor was a Median king or his shoe maker. What matters is what I do with my life. I am not entitled to anything my ancestors achieved.

Monsieur , Je vous tire mon chapeau .


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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by mrzurnaci on August 20, 2017, 06:59:35 PM »
That's not true, Islam advanced the Middle East. Credit is given when it's deserved,

Sorry but I laughed so hard that I had to spit the tea in my mouth and I spilled my tea from the cup but I'll "humor" you.

Baghdad was at her peak under Islamic rule when all ethnic groups of the region united. Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. The mongols destroyed the Middle East not Islam. Also Northen Europe was exposed through Muslim rule of Iberia. It was Jewish and Muslim scholars that exposed them to science. Baghdad and Mesopotamia was centuries ahead of everyone else through the combined export of all of the different components of the ME. I don't take pride in that, rather, see it as an opportunity one that can happen again.

Ok, what about the other cities that were at their peak before Baghdad? Why should I care whether Baghdad is useful as a city or not? What was wrong with the Sassanid capital of Tesfon? Tesfon was so developed that we Assyrians had a church province with Tesfon as its synod.

Well firstly, Persians were already educated (as far as standards were back then). Kurds and Arabs went and learned from these works but here's the most important thing: What did Islamic civilization actually discover or invent? Discoveries lead to inventions, Europeans have proven this. Lens and light magnify view -> Microscope -> Cell -> DNA.

Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. Not to burst your bubble but do you mean that they grouped math into specific categories? Because how would that advance a civilization? Math has been developing since the Sumerians, even they had algebra just without that name.

Then there's Pythagoras who created geometry by grouping together what the Sumerians, Akkadians, Egyptians, and Greeks themselves got down. No, the Mongols destroyed Islam. They destroyed the Khwarizmid Empire which ruled Persia and Central Asian (plus Afghanistan). After taking Persia and Cent. Asia, the Mongols moved into the Middle East until they were stopped by Turkish slave-soldiers called Mamluks in Egypt. The Mamluks simply used the Mongol's tactics against them since the Turks were similarly nomadic.


Let's face it, by the time the Mongolians were done with the Middle East they only left peasants and that's whom we are descendants off. The mongols didn't just kill the scholars, they destroyed their institutions and any record they left behind them. If you want to blame anyone blame the mongols. The Europeans were next, but history is funny like that, the Mongolian leader died and they all went home. Family feuds followed and Europe was spared.

The mongols didn't kill scholars, they recruited them into their military and deported them into their cities. What you're saying is the forced brain drain of the region. Thing is, if Islam made the Middle East better, how is it the Middle East just couldn't have recovered since then? The Mongol and Timurid destruction occurred 1200s and 1300s. Middle East couldn't recover by 700 years? 700 years is 23 generations (each generation is 30 years). The Middle East couldn't recover in 23 Generations? Cmon man, now you're just making excuses on the fact that Islam is a retarding force on the Middle East and you know it.

Also, Europe was not spared, just ask the Russians, Hungarians, and other parts of Eastern Europe. Also ask them about dealing with the Ottoman empire...

It's ok to be proud of history, but not to the extend where it consumes you, makes you feel superior and simply arrogant.

Look at how history consumes people, look at Ezidi for example, he is an arrogant brat, to put it politely. I don't feel superior to an Assyrian, Arab or anyone else, nor do I give Iranic people favour other Semites or any other type of people. I judge people by their character and know many non Kurds that I get on better with than Kurds.

So everything in moderation? Gotcha! Unfortunately, Ezidi is afflicted with Historabetes :)

The Middle East will never have peace before we separate from each other, only then can we slowest start to unite. I have come to this conclusion and for that reason I support a free Assyria as much as a free Kurdistan.

And where is Assyria in your mind?
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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by alan1 on August 20, 2017, 06:05:21 PM »
That's not true, Islam advanced the Middle East. Credit is given when it's deserved, Baghdad was at her peak under Islamic rule when all ethnic groups of the region united. Persian, Kurdish and Arab scholars developed the basis of mathematics. The mongols destroyed the Middle East not Islam. Also Northen Europe was exposed through Muslim rule of Iberia. It was Jewish and Muslim scholars that exposed them to science. Baghdad and Mesopotamia was centuries ahead of everyone else through the combined export of all of the different components of the ME. I don't take pride in that, rather, see it as an opportunity one that can happen again.

Let's face it, by the time the Mongolians were done with the Middle East they only left peasants and that's whom we are descendants off. The mongols didn't just kill the scholars, they destroyed their institutions and any record they left behind them. If you want to blame anyone blame the mongols. The Europeans were next, but history is funny like that, the Mongolian leader died and they all went home. Family feuds followed and Europe was spared.

It's ok to be proud of history, but not to the extend where it consumes you, makes you feel superior and simply arrogant.

Look at how history consumes people, look at Ezidi for example, he is an arrogant brat, to put it politely. I don't feel superior to an Assyrian, Arab or anyone else, nor do I give Iranic people favour other Semites or any other type of people. I judge people by their character and know many non Kurds that I get on better with than Kurds.

The Middle East will never have peace before we separate from each other, only then can we slowest start to unite. I have come to this conclusion and for that reason I support a free Assyria as much as a free Kurdistan.
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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by mrzurnaci on August 20, 2017, 02:27:46 PM »
Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

How does it show weak character? You're showing respect to those who advanced or helped to advance the society/civilization. You think Europeans aren't proud of their history from Romans, Roman influence, to becoming the world powers?

Europe became the world power because of circumstance, Chinese civilization and Middle East was devastated by the Mongols. Islam retardded the Middle East to the point where knowledge couldn't advance past the middle ages.

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

So Islamic influence then? Islam teaches an entitled mentality ("Muslims have the strength of 10 non-Muslims!") [10]

[10] - "If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve" Qur'an 8:65

We Assyrians have lived under Islam and its bull-s*** for 1400 years, It'd be impossible if none of its influence got to us at all. Like I've said hundreds of times, you gotta shake off Islam and it'll take many many generations to remove Islam's influence.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

Like I said before, we Assyrians lived with Muslims, like Kurds, for 1400 years. Again, It'd be impossible for Islam to not influence us at all.
Also, I'll remember this statement next time your Kurdish leaders drop off their kids at our Assyrian schools... lel.
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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by Ezidi Kurd on August 20, 2017, 11:15:02 AM »
Again, the Medes were an empire wth many "houses" and tribes, not a ethnic group by today's standards. It would be wrong for us to say that only Kurds have claim to the Medes, in actual fact so the the Azeris and Baluchis. Had the azeris not been turkified they would have spoken a dialect similar to Kurmanji today. Azeribaijani in proto-Iranic language means fire guardian, while Kurmanji means "son of magi". The Magis were the spiritual leaders of the Median empire.
Nothing is true here and everything is wrong.


First of all, Baloch people migrated into what we know as Balochistan from the modern day Kurdish areas. In the beginning Baloch people were like Kurds, but later they mixed with different people. That means that Baloch people lost little by little their 'Median' identity, since they were out rooted from their Median/Kurdish homeland.

Before Aryan Parthians defeated the Hellenic invaders (Alexander the Great), the native land of the Medes was divided into 2 states. After Alexander the Great (who found an Macedonian Empire) parts of the Median Empire remained independent, therefore the division of the native lands of the Medes/Kurdistan occurred. So, some parts of the native Median homeland got their own dynasties/rulers.

Media was divided in Media Magna and Media Atropatene. Antropatene has been a sub-satrapy of the greater Median homeland called 'Matiene'. Antropatene (Azerbaijan) was just a province of Matiene (Media).

But the heart of Matiene was Media Magna. Media Magna was the true Media and it was located in Kurdistan.


After Alexander the Great Matiene/Media/Kurdistan was divided into: Media Magna & Media Atropatene.

Matiene (Media) = Media Magna + Media Atropatene


Media Atropatene became known as Azerbaijan.

Atropatene was an Hellenic version for the Aryan name Aturpatekan


Azerbaijan is the ARABIZED version of Aturpatekan


Azerbaijan = Aturpatekan = Media Atropatene



But, we don't know for sure if native people of Aturpatekan were the Medes at all, since Aturpatekan was only a northern province (sub-satrapy) of Matiene. The HEART of Matiene (Media) was still Media Magna.
Media Magna was located in Kurdistan and in Media Magna lived 'real' Medes.


(Kurmanji) Kurds evolved from people who lived in Media Magna. Therefore Kurds are the real and only descendants of the 'real' Medes. Descendants of the Medes from Media Magna.


Kurdistan = Media Magna
Azerbaijan = Media Atropatene = Aturpatekan



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropatene


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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by alan1 on August 20, 2017, 09:05:05 AM »


We have some of the biggest assholes and nicest people ,dumpest individuals and smartest individuals.ugliest women and prettiest women . Our hand full with the blood of others as their hand is full with our blood .

I'm honestly yet to see anything special with any nation . We are all the same **** .

Exactly. Besides, being so proud of history just demonstrates weak character. As if we have the right to be proud of the achievements of people that lives thousands of years ago simply because we carry the same name. What difference is that to nepotism?

The Middle East as a whole has a very rich history, one that advanced society, today, it is a **** hole and a burden on the world. Why are we so proud? Of what? Instead of striving to achieve something in our life in our own name these people ar fixated of something some people did thousands of years ago. Loser mentality and pretty much sums up the Middle Easten mentality today.

It's funny how Assyrians think they're different to the rest of the ME but they're exactly the same entitled bunch of people that think they can ride on the achievements made by people thousands of years ago. No different to Barzanis sons claiming people based on their grandfathers achievements.

History is written as we speak. You'd better concentrate on now and not delude yourself with history too much because very soon you'd go down history as fools.

I don't give a darn if my ancestor was a Median king or his shoe maker. What matters is what I do with my life. I am not entitled to anything my ancestors achieved.
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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by alan1 on August 20, 2017, 07:31:23 AM »
It's true that there isn't much written scripts to prove Kurdish links to the Medes, but, there is more evidence to suggest that Kurds are derived, at some level from Medes. The Medes weren't a purely Iranic entity, they just had an Iranic elite ruling local populations, like wise, Kurds aren't genetically purely Iranic.

Again, the Medes were an empire wth many "houses" and tribes, not a ethnic group by today's standards. It would be wrong for us to say that only Kurds have claim to the Medes, in actual fact so the the Azeris and Baluchis. Had the azeris not been turkified they would have spoken a dialect similar to Kurmanji today. Azeribaijani in proto-Iranic language means fire guardian, while Kurmanji means "son of magi". The Magis were the spiritual leaders of the Median empire.

P.S the word Aryan in Iranic history means noble, the ruling elite referred to themselves as Aryan. This word  was used by Iranic people way before th Germans even knew the word existed. In fact, in Sorani Kurdish the name Aryan is very common for boys.

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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by Ezidi Kurd on August 19, 2017, 04:12:17 PM »
It is all about science and not about emotional feelings and getting emotional. I have true science behind my claims.

Kurds are SCIENTIFICALLY claimed to belong to West Iranian group of people who belong to a West Iranian/Aryan (Caspian-Iranid) race. Our racial relatives live in the Caucasus and other parts of the Iranian Plateau.
Our Semitic neighbours to the south belong to a different Semitic race. Turks belong to a Mongoloid race. These are FACTS!


Stick to the SCIENCE and not to your emotion. Your emotion has nothing to do with science.




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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Kurds claim to be descendants of the medes
« Last post by Ezidi Kurd on August 19, 2017, 03:54:12 PM »
If you want to label people by using language families, then call yourself Indo-Iranian (as you just called us Afro-Asiatic). "Aryan" seems out of place.

Be consistent a little?

Ancient Aryans have more to do with Indians, since the word is Sanskrit (whether you like it or not). But now we affiliate the term with Nordic people with blonde hair and blue eyes, not western Asians. Deal with it.

P.S. You only use Aryan because you want to mimic your Nordic masters.  :giggle:
WTH??? Since when Kurds had 'Nordic masters'???

Kurds are West Iranian and speak a West Iranian language. Indians are INDO-Aryans, Kurds are simply Aryans, without anything.

Who are 'we'?? Western Asian Western Iranians have always been associated with Aryans. Be it today, be it 100 years ago, be it 1000 years ago, be it 7000 years ago.

Kurds are who they are and nobody can do anything about it. Kurds are ARYANS. And that is a plain scientific FACT!


I love science, anthropology and I love history. History, anthropology and science are telling us that Kurds are Aryans who belong to an Aryan/West Iranid race. This is a FACT!



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Serious Topics and Discussions / Re: Gays defending Islam
« Last post by mrzurnaci on August 19, 2017, 02:38:59 PM »
What's the deal with gays defending Islam and Muslim countries? Sad thing is, Assyrian gays are falling into this trap too. Lmao.
Leftist indoctrination. If you don't follow what everyone is following, you're a bigot/islamophobe/etc.

Here's some helpful links...
https://www.girlsaskguys.com/social-relationships/q1965710-why-do-gays-women-defend-islam
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20160607042136AARO2Ul
https://www.reddit.com/r/askgaybros/comments/6cw1qj/why_do_western_gays_defend_islam/

As you can see, most or alot of these Leftists consider religion all the same so they treat Islamic terrorism as just "extremism" and non-violent Muslims as "normal" when it's actually the other way around.

As you can see from the girlsaskguys link, one person equates Islamic doctrinal hate against Gays with how American Christians oppress gays...

"Just because people warp a religion for their own use doesn't mean the religion is bad.
Americans are using Christianity to oppress queer people and women, but the religion itself isn't bad. The people pushing through those laws and coming up with them are. "

So the primary reason is they just treat Christianity and Islam the same. Probably because a good portion of Islam is just plagiarized from Christianity.

I can also assert the lack of reading the Qur'an :)

Also the girlsaskguys website gave me an awesome jpeg


In a nutshell, they're hypocrites: They'll attack and harass people who think it's ok to be proud to be white BUT they'll defend people who think a pedohphilic bandit was a prophet of god.
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