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General & Fun => Chit Chat => Topic started by: ASHOOR on November 05, 2017, 01:22:40 PM

Title: New and creepy Assyrian funeral rituals
Post by: ASHOOR on November 05, 2017, 01:22:40 PM
Last two weeks, two young Assyrians died in Modesto and Sweden, both in similar fashion: a drunk driver hitting their car at high rates of speed.

Very tragic , especially given their young age (early to mid 20s for both)

By sheer coincidence, I came across videos from their funerals, and I must say I was a little disturbed. First of all, funerals are supposed to be private functions, but somehow these too have started to make it into social media too.

So what was weird about those funerals? Well the families, in an effort tand celebrate their sons' death, turned this into weddings! Ok, so it is not uncommon for Assyrians to do this: when a young unmarried person dies, they treat it as if it his wedding day. But in these two funerals, they went an extra step, bringing dola w zorna, yalekhyateh, some even wearing Joulet d'Khomala. In one of the two funerals, one of victim's female relatives was so overcome with grief, she was literally dancing Khiga and waving a yalikhta over his grave as his casket had been lowered. It was more creepy than sad.

Having said that, I feel like each has a different way of expressing grief. These people wanted to do it this way, and although I may find it strange, to them it may bring a bit more closure.

Of course, some other cultures have much much weirder funeral and grief rituals. But for us Assyrians, this seems a bit weird too.

May they both rest in piece and for their family to have the strength to come out of this extremely difficult grief period.


ASHOOR
Title: Re: New and creepy Assyrian funeral rituals
Post by: mrzurnaci on November 05, 2017, 03:41:53 PM
I don't believe what I'm reading, that sounds way too absurd to believe. It sounds like they were glad he was gone and decided to dance about it like the guy was a major burden in their life.
Title: Re: New and creepy Assyrian funeral rituals
Post by: Kelba on November 06, 2017, 01:38:37 AM
I agree, that's really strange. Can't say I have seen this behavior among Assyrian communities in America, thankfully

People will react to traumatic events in different ways, including actions that others would perceive as crazy or absurd.

Title: Re: New and creepy Assyrian funeral rituals
Post by: mrzurnaci on November 06, 2017, 02:03:44 PM
I agree, that's really strange. Can't say I have seen this behavior among Assyrian communities in America, thankfully

People will react to traumatic events in different ways, including actions that others would perceive as crazy or absurd.



that's what insane asylums are for LOL.
Title: Re: New and creepy Assyrian funeral rituals
Post by: Cascade on November 14, 2017, 03:23:45 AM
You pretty much said everything I had in mind. Assyrians are getting really disturbing and eccentric in funerals nowadays. I saw the videos. The zurna o dawola (which should have never been permitted for funerals), the ululating and the dancing were highly inappropriate. Honestly, it was just left for them to bring the "bridesmaids" and "groomsmen" (in garish black suits and dresses) who would also dance for the dead person in subject - And I wouldn't be surprised if they do that in the near future!

It's downright disgusting and a mockery of the deceased. In a recent funeral of a young Assyrian male in Germany (who died of some incurable disease), they too brought zurna and dawola. The poor mother was waving the handkerchief saying "yalla, yalla, turn up the music...keep playing", after the musician halted, whilst waving the cloth and making cheery sounds like you do in weddings. At the same time, she was getting teary eyed and breaking down. It's like they are half elated and half sorrowful. Really disturbing and creepy, man.

Please stop this. Also, let's refrain from filming funerals and burials. They should be private. We should just tell the attendees to turn off their phones.
Title: Re: New and creepy Assyrian funeral rituals
Post by: Cascade on November 14, 2017, 03:49:47 AM
I don't believe what I'm reading, that sounds way too absurd to believe. It sounds like they were glad he was gone and decided to dance about it like the guy was a major burden in their life.

The videos were all over Facebook. You don't know if you want to find it doleful or just downright funny. They were really over the top and ludicrous. They probably were way too stricken with grief that they went mad and 'malfunctioned'. So their grief came out as making dance moves. That helped them. I know this sounds really insensitive, but it does seem that way.

They reminded me of this:

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy7CPtQY0Vo#)

P.S. Ashoor, who is the Assyrian that died in Sweden by a drunk driver? Two Assyrians died this month in America in a car accident. The first, by a drunk driver hitting the rear end of his car (ultimately igniting and immolating him). The other, by ramming his car into a truck. Both of their funerals and burials had zurna and dawola. The one in Sweden (maybe it wasn't Germany, which I mentioned early) they say died from some disease. I don't know, but I never heard of a Swedish Assyrian dying in a drunk driving car accident this month? Anyway, it was the European one I was speaking of where it had the mother waving a handkerchief and dancing.

Turlock man (Naramsen Kelyana):

(http://www.modbee.com/news/local/crime/k6so7e/picture180932856/alternates/FREE_768/Kelyana%20Naramsen)
(http://www.modbee.com/news/local/crime/wk5ew1/picture180932881/alternates/FREE_768/RA%20Fatal%20Crash%201)

Michigan man (Doleer):