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Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« on: July 17, 2011, 07:25:30 PM »
Assyrian lyrics- Most singers want a bigger audience for their music right? Well I don't think the younger generation appreciates words so old that not even their great grandparents from their mathwatha even use anymore. Most of these words have synonyms that are still Sureth.

Assyrian music- Sometimes people appreciate a good khigga song, but don't you guys think its time for our music to evolve? We listen to Arabic music for our Sharqy music. Why not have some Assyrian Sharqy? And we do have some siskani music that's kinda like American pop but I think we can do better. Don't get me wrong I like Assyrian traditional music but the younger generation (even some older generations) think that our music is kind of primitive and basic. Also they probably think that Assyrian music has only like 4 or 5 different beats.

Don't you guys think it should be time to improve our music? Why not try to make it the best middle eastern music? We should work on everything we don't have for example Sharqy music, r&b music, pop music...etc.

What's your opinion?


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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2011, 08:24:39 PM »
ya! and nick..have u also noticed that in weddings, they're always the same songs!!!!  something that everybody has heard and used to..something casual and fun!!!


but who would make the changes?? :/      we're not singers!! :blink: :blush2:
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2011, 11:48:58 PM »
Lol yeah I know Shekwanta. And idk the singers think that we don't wanna change and a lot of people here actually wouldn't want their precious music to change, but if we don't change it up then its never going to gain popularity among us or among other middle eastern people.
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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2011, 11:48:58 PM »

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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 02:41:19 PM »
Lol yeah I know Shekwanta. And idk the singers think that we don't wanna change and a lot of people here actually wouldn't want their precious music to change, but if we don't change it up then its never going to gain popularity among us or among other middle eastern people.


yaaa....but dont u think that the new singers are singing something different?? :blink:

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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 02:44:13 PM »
i think some are already evolving, with both English and Arabic flavors to their music. It is a natural process and as long as they don't lose track of the origin of the Assyrian music, they should be fine.

In fact, this could very well be what will help Assyrian music connect with the new generation. So you have a good point there Nick.

Having said that, I think and I do see many from the new generation who do listen to old/pure Assyrian music songs, and although they don't understand the lyrics, they still enjoy the music and the song overall.

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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 02:57:36 PM »
I do see many from the new generation who do listen to old/pure Assyrian music songs, and although they don't understand the lyrics

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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 04:53:45 PM »
Assyrian lyrics- Most singers want a bigger audience for their music right? Well I don't think the younger generation appreciates words so old that not even their great grandparents from their mathwatha even use anymore. Most of these words have synonyms that are still Sureth.

Assyrian music- Sometimes people appreciate a good khigga song, but don't you guys think its time for our music to evolve? We listen to Arabic music for our Sharqy music. Why not have some Assyrian Sharqy? And we do have some siskani music that's kinda like American pop but I think we can do better. Don't get me wrong I like Assyrian traditional music but the younger generation (even some older generations) think that our music is kind of primitive and basic. Also they probably think that Assyrian music has only like 4 or 5 different beats.

Don't you guys think it should be time to improve our music? Why not try to make it the best middle eastern music? We should work on everything we don't have for example Sharqy music, r&b music, pop music...etc.

What's your opinion?

I agree with you nick, I like assyrian music (not all the songs but we have a lot of good songs). However I think it's always the same songs like shekwanta said. But we see that the young generation try to do somenthing else and mix assyrian music with western music, I hope we'll see more R and B, pop and rap.

ps: Do you know an assyrian rock song??  :loool:
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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 01:42:38 AM »
ps: Do you know an assyrian rock song??  :loool:
melechesh is a "Mesopotamian" metal genre band

also, all the songs that I like; I upload them alll on upload
I even like our Church music that I uploaded an entire 1 hour and 29 minute session of Liturgical music
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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 05:39:13 AM »
Idk some artists do something different and yeah I listen to Assyrian music even though a lot of times I don't know what the words mean. When I ask my parents or people born in Iraq like cousins I have they say what the word means but that no one uses it anymore. Its kind of annoying sometimes.

As for music idk I like our music and it makes me wanna dance but some Assyrian Sharqi would be really cool. And idk if you saw my western Syriac link under the videos section here. The song is R&B but Suryoyo so I can't understand it. But I love the singers in it and the way the mix our language with new music.
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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 10:58:52 AM »
I think its all about the money…Folk songs insures singers are booked for wedding…wedding brings money…and so on…and on….

You don't see Shlimon Bet Shmuel singing in a wedding or David Esha...!

Many Assyrian singers over the years tried verity and very few are still trying from time to time. Many years ago we didn’t have Assyrian Chobia but now we have our own assyrian Chobia songs and dance to go with it...

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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 07:10:59 PM »
You don't see Shlimon Bet Shmuel singing in a wedding or David Esha...!

why!  :blink:

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 07:20:29 PM »
I think its all about the money…Folk songs insures singers are booked for wedding…wedding brings money…and so on…and on….

i totally agree with u if what u mean is --> new singers arent really "used" in weddings!              then yes! i totally agree with u!


i have actually heard people talking about this (my parents :mrgreen: )  and it is... one of the "good" old singers was supposed to come to my cousins wedding, only he wanted lots of money! so we suggested that one of the "new" singers to come and  sing!  but what happend is that we  were comparing ALOT about "good old traditional singer" and a "new one!"    ofcourse an old traditional one was better!          (he came btw. the old traditional one! :mrgreen: )


so ya...hmm...people DO stick to what they hear! (use to) i guess its easier and more "reliable"!  :sleep:                  :innocent:
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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2011, 07:25:14 PM »
When I ask my parents or people born in Iraq like cousins I have they say what the word means but that no one uses it anymore. Its kind of annoying sometimes.
then..ask me nick! :blink: :mrgreen: jk  ;)                   :bigarmhug:
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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2011, 07:28:11 PM »
i totally agree with u if what u mean is --> new singers arent really "used" in weddings!              then yes! i totally agree with u!


i have actually heard people talking about this (my parents :mrgreen: )  and it is... one of the "good" old singers was supposed to come to my cousins wedding, only he wanted lots of money! so we suggested that one of the "new" singers to come and  sing!  but what happend is that we  were comparing ALOT about "good old traditional singer" and a "new one!"    ofcourse an old traditional one was better!          (he came btw. the old traditional one! :mrgreen: )


so ya...hmm...people DO stick to what they hear! (use to) i guess its easier and more "reliable"!  :sleep:                  :innocent:

pffffffft we don't need singers anymore, just rent some huge ass speakers and play whatever assyrian song u find off youtube, qeenatha, or assyrianmp3 and bam u just saved 15% or more on Assyrian musicianal entertainment.

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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2011, 07:32:16 PM »
pffffffft we don't need singers anymore, just rent some huge ass speakers and play whatever assyrian song u find off youtube, qeenatha, or assyrianmp3 and bam u just saved 15% or more on Assyrian musicianal entertainment.
:lmao:    that IS easieeeeer!!!!!!  but....i dont know!  i agree with u!  i say..why use singers!!!! why not songs! LOUDDD songs! i actually prefer DJs  but some ppl just gotta have fantsy! so i donno!

i have always been to weddings that have DJs in!   ive never been to a wedding with a LIVE singer!! never! never seen any singer personally!  :/





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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2011, 07:33:24 PM »
:lmao:    that IS easieeeeer!!!!!!  but....i dont know!  i agree with u!  i say..why use singers!!!! why not songs! LOUDDD songs! i actually prefer DJs  but some ppl just gotta have fantsy! so i donno!

i have always been to weddings that have DJs in!   ive never been to a wedding with a LIVE singer!! never! never seen any singer personally!  :/


ehem......my cousin needed to PLEASE the bride!  :shades:                         although i think she paid for the singer!  :mrgreen:

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2011, 07:51:17 PM »
ehem......my cousin needed to PLEASE the bride!  :shades:                         although i think she paid for the singer!  :mrgreen:

I've seen Sargon Youkhanna live (for my cousin's sons baptism) lol yea they had a khloola for a baptism

and my sister's wedding we had Juliana Jendo and we booked her quickly cuz my dad said he would pay IN cash.

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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2011, 08:06:01 PM »
Assyrians don't accept change in anything and that is not a negative statement.
many singers tried to bring a change to Assyrian music and were criticized very bad here in the forum.
We accept when Arabs do changes but we dont like our singers to do. I know our singers are puzzled and dont know what to do.

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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2011, 08:06:32 PM »
I've seen Sargon Youkhanna live (for my cousin's sons baptism) lol yea they had a khloola for a baptismand my sister's wedding we had Juliana Jendo and we booked her quickly cuz my dad said he would pay IN cash.
:lmao: :lmao:  sounds a hell of a baptism!!  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:  :angelnot:


ya! thats great!...... but dont u think they order ALOT! :blink: i dont know is that just me!  i mean....we booked johny talia and he wanted 12000 i think!! i am NOT sure!!!!!!!!   but then i think the made a "discount" to 7000 or 8000       (thats what i heard from dad)  it was my uncle's wedding!  khoonat babi                                     (i repeat, am not sure if he wanted 12000 cause i forget alot)

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2011, 08:28:30 PM »
:lmao: :lmao:  sounds a hell of a baptism!!  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:  :angelnot:


ya! thats great!...... but dont u think they order ALOT! :blink: i dont know is that just me!  i mean....we booked johny talia and he wanted 12000 i think!! i am NOT sure!!!!!!!!   but then i think the made a "discount" to 7000 or 8000       (thats what i heard from dad)  it was my uncle's wedding!  khoonat babi                                     (i repeat, am not sure if he wanted 12000 cause i forget alot)

yea the baptism even had an ear-piercing zurna and dawoola band, made me feel bad about not bringing my zurna and playing along with them lol

well don't forget, we Assyrians are only 5 million spread worldwide compared to other singers who have larger audiences, that's why some Assyrian singers branch into Kurdish or Arabic songs so that they can get a good income.

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2011, 01:03:54 PM »
:lmao:    that IS easieeeeer!!!!!!  but....i dont know!  i agree with u!  i say..why use singers!!!! why not songs! LOUDDD songs! i actually prefer DJs  but some ppl just gotta have fantsy! so i donno!

i have always been to weddings that have DJs in!   ive never been to a wedding with a LIVE singer!! never! never seen any singer personally!  :/



It's not the same, with a singer it's better, he puts more ambiance  :) (personal opinion)
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2011, 02:25:17 PM »
Yeah idk its because many people complain about the new singers and like the old ones better for the weddings. (We say hafla d'gwara not khloola). But when it comes to buying albums and songs we complain that our music is too traditional and not as new and exciting as Arabic or Western music.

I think an album should have new styles and surprises, but the weddings have to be traditional.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2011, 08:24:07 PM »
yea the baptism even had an ear-piercing zurna and dawoola band, made me feel bad about not bringing my zurna and playing along with them lol
well don't forget, we Assyrians are only 5 million spread worldwide compared to other singers who have larger audiences, that's why some Assyrian singers branch into Kurdish or Arabic songs so that they can get a good income.
:lmao:         ...wait!!!  what do u mean "earrr piercing"??  :shades:  :blink:




ya u are right! u know,, in a while i wanted to be a singer!!!!! anddd.. i used to say that am gonna sing in EVERY langauge! so that everybody knows who we r!    : )

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2011, 08:27:12 PM »
It's not the same, with a singer it's better, he puts more ambiance  :) (personal opinion)
r u sure! :/ hmm...ive never met any singer before! i live far away from assyrians!

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2011, 08:29:53 PM »
Yeah idk its because many people complain about the new singers and like the old ones better for the weddings. (We say hafla d'gwara not khloola). But when it comes to buying albums and songs we complain that our music is too traditional and not as new and exciting as Arabic or Western music.

I think an album should have new styles and surprises, but the weddings have to be traditional.
i thik new singers are kinda "AFRAID"  of making new style in music! cause it wont be bought!!      dont u think!!!!  :)


althought it wont be bad trying something NEW!  :wavetowel:
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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2011, 09:16:02 PM »
i thik new singers are kinda "AFRAID"  of making new style in music! cause it wont be bought!!      dont u think!!!!  :)


althought it wont be bad trying something NEW!  :wavetowel:
its not just buying, some people will buy the songs, THEN upload em on youtube or somewhere else, like me. People like me are slowly killing Assyrian music.
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2011, 02:01:39 AM »
our new singers sing like their granparents  :loool:

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2011, 05:38:25 AM »
Lol yeah its not good to put em on YouTube obviously they wont make money.

Idk new styles = bigger audience because people who like pop or r&b or sharqi can listen to it in Assyrian instead of Tamer hosny or Nancy Abram, or Faris Karam.
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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2011, 09:39:49 AM »
its not just buying, some people will buy the songs, THEN upload em on youtube or somewhere else, like me. People like me are slowly killing Assyrian music.
u should stop doing that! LOL ;)  :mrgreen:



but..i also put songs on u-tube!  :blink:    i just think (hmmm...people are not gonna find these songs anywhere else, and youtube is most used..so i do it , that everybody can find them easily! )  so i kinda think am doing something "good" for society!  :blush2:  :blink:

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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2011, 09:42:03 AM »
Lol yeah its not good to put em on YouTube obviously they wont make money.

Idk new styles = bigger audience because people who like pop or r&b or sharqi can listen to it in Assyrian instead of Tamer hosny or Nancy Abram, or Faris Karam.
but if we dont put them on youtube, then nobody would find them!  :blink:




LOL.....i LOVEEEEEEEEEEE nancy and faris (dont get me started about faris!) i LOVE him!  all of his songs!  (and tamer <3 ) sharqi is beautiful!!!!!! : )

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2011, 01:26:15 PM »
u should stop doing that! LOL ;)  :mrgreen:



but..i also put songs on u-tube!  :blink:    i just think (hmmm...people are not gonna find these songs anywhere else, and youtube is most used..so i do it , that everybody can find them easily! )  so i kinda think am doing something "good" for society!  :blush2:  :blink:


u mean songs like this ?

Mkhi Zurna - Athir Khoshaba | ܡܚܝ ܙܘܪܢܐ - ܐܬ݂ܘܪ ܚܒ݂ܫܒܐ


I just started adding these in HD 720p format, im not gonna do 1080p because that's a bit too much lol

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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2011, 09:18:59 PM »
u mean songs like this ?

Mkhi Zurna - Athir Khoshaba | ܡܚܝ ܙܘܪܢܐ - ܐܬ݂ܘܪ ܚܒ݂ܫܒܐ

I just started adding these in HD 720p format, im not gonna do 1080p because that's a bit too much lol

eh eh eh eh kilililililililiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :wavetowel:           LOLLLLLL ;)  :mrgreen:



i didnt get the whole last line  (the one in dark black!  :blink: )

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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2011, 11:50:34 PM »
eh eh eh eh kilililililililiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :wavetowel:           LOLLLLLL ;)  :mrgreen:



i didnt get the whole last line  (the one in dark black!  :blink: )
i started adding music in high definition cuz youtube allows it now, but its been allowing it for some time so yea.

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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2011, 06:33:28 PM »
i started adding music in high definition cuz youtube allows it now, but its been allowing it for some time so yea.
hmm..i didnt know that!!        :blink:

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Re: Assyrian music (is it time to move on?)
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2011, 06:09:42 PM »
Yeah Shekwanta I love the music of Nancy Ajram, Tamer Hosny, and Faris Karam but I don't understand Arabic. Why can't we make new styles of Assyrian music? We already love it with Arabic lyrics so why not our own language?
ܦܪܕܝܣܐ ܗ݇ܘܝܢ ܗ݇ܘܐ ܡܝܘܡܐ ܩܕ݇ܡܝܐ, ܘܦܪܕܣܐ ܒܦܝܫܝܢ ܠܕܪܐ ܐ݇ܚܪܝܐ

ܦܹܪܕܹܣܵܐ ܗ݇ܘܲܢ ܗ݇ܘܵܐ ܡܝܘܿܡܵܐ ܩܲܕ݇ܡܵܝܵܐ, ܘܦܹܪܕܹܣܵܐ ܒܦܲܝܫܝܼܢ ܠܕܵܪܵܐ ܐ݇ܚܵܪܵܝܵܐ

 

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