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Re: Assyrian: East meets West
« Reply #525 on: February 23, 2011, 06:52:44 AM »
But how would you use these words in a sentence in the -ing time ?

im used to say "hon bedhaya" but i think that formally it is "ewin bedhaya" .... wait for CARLO BOY :P
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Re: Assyrian: East meets West
« Reply #526 on: February 23, 2011, 06:32:49 PM »
    im used to say "hon bedhaya" but i think that formally it is "ewin bedhaya" .... wait for CARLO BOY :P

    Haha, I don't know anything about one being more formal than the other. In fact, I used to think "eewin" was past tense up until a month ago. :blink:

    • "I am seeing" = hon (be)xzaya or eewin bexzaya or (be)xzay-in
    • "I am saying" = hon (be)'mara or eewin be'mara or (be)'mar-in
    • "I am cooking" = hon (be?)bshala or eewin (be?)bshala or (be?)bshal-in (this is a little weird to say since it really means "I am being cooked" rather than "I am doing the cooking")
    • "I am tasting" = hon (be)T`ama or eewin beT`ama or (be)T`am-in

    I think you can stick the personal suffix to the end of the first word in the clause:

    • tam-in (be)'zala ("I am going there")
    • tam-it (be)'zala ("you are going there")
    • qa-mo-t (be)'zala? ("why are you going?")

    The "cooking" thing actually reminded me of something I forgot to mention: there are at least three other ways of saying "-ing" depending on what "conjugation" you use (though they all look similar):

    • a) mxaxoxe for mostly "intensive" verbs, transitive forms of originally intransitive verbs, verbs derived from nouns, and some foreign words that can fit into a three-letter root:

      • intensive: claya ("going down") -> mcaloye ("praying" [think of "going down" in the sense of "prostrating"])
      • transitive: bshala ("cooking [being cooked]") -> mbashole ("cooking [something]");
      • verb from noun: cawta ("voice," "speech") -> mcawothe ("speaking")
      • foreign words: mtamoze ("cleaning"), mparoke ("parking"), mcharoje ("charging")

    • b) maxxoxe for causatives:

      • claya ("going down") -> macloye ("making go down," "bringing down")
      • xzaya ("seeing") -> maxzoye ("making see," "showing")

    • c) xaxxoxe for words that have four root letters (xxxx) rather than the usual three (xxx), were the first root letter replaces the meem (can also have foreign words):

      • targome ("translating")
      • haymone ("believing")
      • hamzome ("speaking")
      • parmoye ("understanding," causative: maprome ["making understand," "explaining"])

    « Last Edit: February 25, 2011, 12:35:14 AM by Carlo »

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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #527 on: February 24, 2011, 12:14:03 AM »
    "hon" and "eewin" aren't informal or formal. Eewin is supposed to be correct, but some villages started using "hon" because it's shorter. Fir example "spy" is not supposed to be correct. "tawa" and "baseema" are the correct words, but sometimes languages evolve. It's supposed to be like this fir example: "ana eewin b'rkhasha al shooqa". Some say "hon b'rkhasha al shooqa". It's almost the same thing. I encourage people to say "eewin" and for the word good, you should say "tawa" mostly and "baseema" is also correct.
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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #527 on: February 24, 2011, 12:14:03 AM »

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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #528 on: February 26, 2011, 06:33:56 AM »
      Haha, I don't know anything about one being more formal than the other. In fact, I used to think
    "eewin" was past tense up until a month ago. :blink:

    • "I am seeing" = .... (be)xzay-in
    ...

    This would be, no this IS the directy translation of how we say that in western Assyrian: Hazoyo-no
    ( In the "hon" case (hon = holay?), we say: kaly Hazoyo )

    And in past tense: Hazoyo-way-no (I was seeing)
    And in an other past tense: Hoze-way-no or Hozen-no-wa (I saw)

    So it seems that the w marks the past tense, in both main dialects.[/list]
    « Last Edit: February 26, 2011, 06:40:58 AM by Zawoyo »
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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #529 on: January 06, 2015, 06:51:21 PM »
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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #530 on: January 07, 2015, 03:56:54 AM »
    I'm going through a phase right now, I want to learn suryoyo dialect... if someone has any recommendations!


    https://twitter.com/AssyrianWord <--- I recommend to follow this guy. He posts words in suret and suryoyo and the akkadian word they came from. Shows how much Akkadian is in our language  :clap:

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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #531 on: January 07, 2015, 04:05:11 AM »
    I'm going through a phase right now, I want to learn suryoyo dialect... if someone has any recommendations!


    https://twitter.com/AssyrianWord <--- I recommend to follow this guy. He posts words in suret and suryoyo and the akkadian word they came from. Shows how much Akkadian is in our language  :clap:
    i want to learn to wright in east assyrian
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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #532 on: January 07, 2015, 12:14:32 PM »
    i want to learn to wright in east assyrian
    Then use my chart u dork lol

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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #533 on: January 07, 2015, 12:25:12 PM »
    Then use my chart u dork lol
    but i dont understand your chart  :2hearts: :clap: :wavetowel:
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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #534 on: January 07, 2015, 01:05:07 PM »
    but i dont understand your chart  :2hearts: :clap: :wavetowel:


    how? You can clearly read english but you can't understand my chart? and if you can't understand it, why didn't u ask questions? By holding your questions, im assuming ur understanding it perfectly...

    http://assyrianic.deviantart.com/art/Syriac-Diagram-Chart-479930235

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    Re: Assyrian: East meets West
    « Reply #535 on: January 07, 2015, 01:46:02 PM »
    how? You can clearly read english but you can't understand my chart? and if you can't understand it, why didn't u ask questions? By holding your questions, im assuming ur understanding it perfectly...

    http://assyrianic.deviantart.com/art/Syriac-Diagram-Chart-479930235
    i dont know, i just dont understand the chart
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    « Reply #536 on: February 26, 2015, 06:42:45 PM »
    Hello!

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