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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #140 on: September 24, 2008, 02:16:41 PM »
Nice - shafiro

i am nice- ono shafiro no / f = ono shafirto no
you are nice – hat shafiro hat / f = hat shafirto hat
he is nice – hie shafiro yo
she is nice - hia shafirto yo
we are nice – aHna shafire na
you are nice (pl) - hatu shafire hatu
they are nice – hinik shafire ne

i was nice – ono shafiro-way no / f = ono shafirto-way no
you was nice – hat shafiro way-t/ f = hat shafirto-way-t
he was nice – hie shafiro-wa
she was nice – hia shafirto-wa
we were nice – aHna shafire-way na
you was nice (pl) - hatu shafire way-tu
they were nice – hinik shafire-way ne

ged/gd/g comes in front of the verb if You want to say something in futur form.
i will be nice – ono goweno shafiro / f = ono gd-hiwiono shafirto
you will be nice – hat gd-howat shafiro / f = hat gd-howat shafirto
he will be nice – hie gd-howe shafiro
she will be nice – hia gd-hiwio shafirto
we will be nice – aHna gd-howina shafire
they will be nice – hinik gd-howen shafire


i play - ono meshta´eno / f = ono meshta´yo-no
you play - hat meshta´at
he plays - hie meshta´e
she plays - hia meshta´yo
we play - aHna meshta´ina
you play (pl) - hatu mishta´itu
they play - hinik meshta´en


i have played - ono meshta´eli
you have played - hat meshta´elukh
he has played - hie meshta´ele
she has played - hia meshta´ela
we have played - aHna meshta´e lan
you (pl) have played - hatu meshta´a lkhu
they have played - hinik meshta´len


book – kthowo  (words with the letters “th” speak like the english version “the”)
singular: u kthowo     plural: a kthowe

my book – u kthowaydi
your book – u kthowaydukh / w = u kthowaydakh
his book – u kthowayde
her book – u kthowayda
our book – u kthowaydan
their book – u kthowathe

for female words use the article “i”. For example: i tablitho – the table
the article in the male-form is a "u", for example: the book = u kthowo
the article in male- and female-form of the plural-form is “a”, for example:
the books = a kthowe or the tables = a tabliothe


this book –  u kthowano             
this books – a kthowani

the boy - u ´leymo                   
to the boy – lu ´laymo             
to the boys – la ´layme

the girl - i ´laymtho
to the girl – li ´laymtho           
to the girls – la ´leymothe


give me – hau li                         
give her – hau la
give him - hau le


please, can somebody give me the same exaples in the east-dialect?
I´d like to lern the east-dialect.

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« Last Edit: February 22, 2011, 09:56:50 AM by Zawoyo »
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
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The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #141 on: November 15, 2008, 01:00:33 PM »
Hi everyone! :)

Can someone translate this poem into suryoyo?

Thanks. :yourock:

In Tur Abdin, By Margaret Sangster Jr.

In a weary, frightened country,
Far across the moaning sea,
There's a sound of weeping, praying,
That has wrung the heart of me.
There's a sound of babies wailng;
There's a famished cry for bread,
There's a tortured scream of anguish
Over bodies, murdered, dead.
There are deserts, parched and breathless,
In this land across the foam,
There are tragic piles of ashes,
And each used to be a home.
There are shallow graves smoothed over,
Where a garden bloomed before,
There is fear, and hate, and anguish;
There is strife, and blood, and war!
War is not a sound of trumpets,
Or a trilling beat of drums,
Or a row of prancing chargers.
War is furtive; and it comes
Like a murderer at midnight,
With starvation in its train.
War is brutal force, not courage;
War is dirt, disease, and pain.
In the hopeless, helpless country;
They are calling us today;
They are pleading that we help them,
And we dare not turn away
For the Savior spake and speaking,
"To the least of these" said He,
"Every crust of bread ye give them
Ye have given unto me!"
"He who is good is wise not he who is wise is good."-J. Krishnamurti

"National unity if it is to mean anything in the deeply personal sense, must be founded on confidence in one's own individual identity; out of this can grow respect for that of others and a willingness to share ideas, attitudes and assumptions.  A vigorous policy of multiculturalism will help create this initial confidence. It can form the base of a society which is based on fair play for all."-Pierre Elliott Trudeau

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #142 on: January 02, 2009, 08:51:01 PM »
Is nobody here able to give me a complete answer for the translations which I ask for in my last comment? :(
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #142 on: January 02, 2009, 08:51:01 PM »

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #143 on: January 02, 2009, 09:10:18 PM »
i am nice- M = Ana Shapira win /  F = Ana Shapirta wan
you are nice – M = Ati Shapira wit / F = Ati Shapirta wat
he is nice – awen Shapir ile
she is nice - ayen shapirt ila
we are nice – akhnan shapir ewikh
you are nice (pl) - akhtokhun shapir etun
they are nice – ani shapir ila

i was nice – M = ana shapir inwa/ F = ana shapirt inwa
he was nice – awen shapir ewa
she was nice – ayen shapirt ewa
we were nice – akhnan shapir ekhwa
they were nice – ani shapir ewa

i will be nice – M = ana tawen shapira / F = ana toyen shapirta
you will be nice – M = ati tawet shapira / F = ati toyet shapirta
he will be nice – awen towe shapira
she will be nice – ayen toya shapirta
we will be nice – akhnan tawikh shapireh
they will be nice – ani tawi shapireh


i play - ana e taleh win
you play - ati e taleh wit
he plays - awen e taleh
she plays - ayen e talah
you play (pl) - akhtu e talee tun
they play - ani e talee


i have play - ana itli tawalta
you have play - ati itlokh tawalta
he has play - awen itleh tawalta
she has play - ayen itlah tawalta
they have play - ani itlah tawalteh


book – ktawa 

my book – ktawi
your book – M = ktawokh / F = Ktawakh
his book – ktaweh
her book – ktawah
our book – ktawin
their book – ktawey


this book –  owa ktawa           
this books – ana ktaweh

the boy - ow yala                  
to the boy – qa ow yala             
to the boys – qa an yaleh

the girl - ay yalta
to the girl – qa aya yalta        
to the girls – qa ana yalteh

give me – hali                       
give her – halah
give him - haleh


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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #144 on: January 02, 2009, 10:42:15 PM »
Thank you very very much davidb !! :)
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #145 on: February 24, 2009, 04:26:57 AM »
I think i'm going to end up going to Qamishli or Sodertalje looking for a wife just to learn the dialect.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #146 on: February 25, 2009, 05:00:21 PM »
I think i'm going to end up going to Qamishli or Sodertalje looking for a wife just to learn the dialect.

We have the problem that we West & East Assyrians don´t live often together. East Assyrians live mostly in East beth nahrin and in the North America and West Assyrians live in west beth nahrin and in Europe.
I live in Europe and I know no East Assyrian personal, sadly.
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #147 on: February 28, 2009, 07:17:52 PM »
We have the problem that we West & East Assyrians don´t live often together. East Assyrians live mostly in East beth nahrin and in the North America and West Assyrians live in west beth nahrin and in Europe.
I live in Europe and I know no East Assyrian personal, sadly.

It is a real shame. I'v never even heard of an West-Assyrian living in Australia.

Anyway i just found out that my uncle speaks fluent West-Assyrian.  :)

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #148 on: February 28, 2009, 07:18:34 PM »
How do you say 'what are you doing?'

East - Mowit Bewada?

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #149 on: February 28, 2009, 07:38:24 PM »
It is a real shame. I'v never even heard of an West-Assyrian living in Australia.

Anyway i just found out that my uncle speaks fluent West-Assyrian.  :)

Haha, really? :) Where did he learn West-Assyrian?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #150 on: February 28, 2009, 07:40:19 PM »
Haha, really? :) Where did he learn West-Assyrian?

Haven't asked him, i shall soon though..

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #151 on: March 01, 2009, 08:06:45 PM »
How do you say 'what are you doing?'

East - Mowit Bewada?

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #152 on: March 04, 2009, 11:10:09 AM »
How do you say 'what are you doing?'

East - Mowit Bewada?

West - min ko-saym-at

min (or men, mn or mune) = what
ko- - use for present time, bevor the verb, it´s similar like the English word "do"
saym - make (conjugated) (the making/doing - u syomo)
-at - you, in the end of the verb (2. person singular)
« Last Edit: March 04, 2009, 11:11:53 AM by John_86 »
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
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The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #153 on: March 08, 2009, 09:46:26 PM »
Tawdi John.

Also, what does 'Khothakh' mean?

When we say khothakh it usually means "under you" but when i hear it in songs it seems like it has a different meaning in maerwaya.

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #154 on: March 09, 2009, 05:37:13 AM »
It means "like you" (to a female). Khothokh is to a male.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #155 on: March 09, 2009, 05:42:52 AM »
Oh btw there are a lot West Assyrians living in Australia.   
I know this priest living there and his family. And there is an SO Church there so there must be some W-Assyrians there.   
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #156 on: March 09, 2009, 05:47:44 AM »
Oh, do you mean like "same as you"?

Well we say "Makhwathokh/Makhwathakh"

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #157 on: March 09, 2009, 05:49:42 AM »
Oh btw there are a lot West Assyrians living in Australia.   
I know this priest living there and his family. And there is an SO Church there so there must be some W-Assyrians there.   

There must be, we have about 50,000 Assyrians just in Sydney, but i haven't personally met one.

I only know of one Syriac Orthodox Church and only Indians go to it, i haven't heard of another..

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #158 on: March 09, 2009, 10:30:36 AM »
There must be, we have about 50,000 Assyrians just in Sydney, but i haven't personally met one.

I only know of one Syriac Orthodox Church and only Indians go to it, i haven't heard of another..


Have you heard of the St Malkeh Syriac Orthodox Church? :)
See this guys videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/Midyat01
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #159 on: March 09, 2009, 11:03:30 AM »
@david, there is a syriac orthodox bishop too. do you know "gregory" juwel? they are from our people too. There are a lot SO in australia, most of them in Sydney..
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #160 on: May 26, 2009, 11:21:48 PM »
Thanks eanna. :)

I'll try & translate your classes into Eastern Assyrian, for anyone who's interested in learning it.

Edyo = Today
Timmal = Yesterday
Qodmeh = Tomorrow

Ropapa = Second
??? = Minute (I say "daqeeqa", but that's not Assyrian)
Sa'at = Hour
Yawma = Day
Shapta/Shawoo'a = Week
Yarkha = Month
Sheita = Year



Minute is R'pata
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #161 on: May 27, 2009, 08:35:45 AM »
Minute - we say in Western Assyrian Qatinto - so it could be in Eastern Assyrian Qatinta

And I don´t think that Sa'at means Hour in Assyrian. I know it from the Turkish language.
Hour - we say Shu´tho - so it could be in Eastern Assyrian Shuhta

What do our Eastern Assyrians think about this two words ?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #162 on: June 05, 2009, 03:52:05 AM »
Yes Sa'at is in Arabic, Sha'ta is in Eastern Assyrian. Majority if not all of us use the Arabic word though.


What's the difference between Ghallabe & Saggi?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #163 on: June 05, 2009, 03:00:49 PM »
Sagi is written language ( kthobonoyo) and Ghallabe is spoken language ( turoyo)
I asked my dad and the meaning is the same.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #164 on: June 06, 2009, 08:52:59 AM »
What would you mostly use?

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« Reply #165 on: June 09, 2009, 12:00:29 PM »
What would you mostly use?

I prefer Taudi Sagi because it sounds better and ghallabe sounds a bit street language hehe.
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #166 on: June 09, 2009, 08:31:49 PM »
What would you mostly use?

Both words are known among the west dialect speaking Assyrians. So you can use both words.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2009, 11:08:40 AM by John_86 »
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #167 on: June 10, 2009, 08:14:33 AM »
How do you say "Where do you live?"

E - Eka e Khayet?

also..

Do you say Kmo or Miqqa, or are they both used in different context?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #168 on: June 10, 2009, 10:10:28 AM »
Kmo = how many
Meqqa = How much

Where do you live = Ejko kowat
Ayko = where
Kowat = you live
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #169 on: June 10, 2009, 11:19:34 AM »
This is the common speech and means literaly Where do you are
Where do you live means Hayko ko-hay-at
But mostly the west dialect speaking people say it like GodismyJudge said.
Or they say Hayko ko-´aysh-at The verb comes from the word u ´yosho (the living). But I am not shure whether this verb is from our language because I can´t find it in my dictionary.
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The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #170 on: June 10, 2009, 02:13:42 PM »
Is there really people saying "Ayko ko hayat?"? Haha, I've never heard that. "Ayko ko 'ayshat?" is common, but it's Arabic.
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« Reply #171 on: June 10, 2009, 02:33:39 PM »
Is there really people saying "Ayko ko hayat?"? Haha, I've never heard that. "Ayko ko 'ayshat?" is common, but it's Arabic.

Sadly the most say Ayko ko-´aysh-at and Ayko ko-w-at if they like to ask where somebody lives (yet).
But the righ way to say is Ayko ko-hay-at.
Because: life = haye or hayutho
But we use it mostly in our common speech if we say it in plural (haye).
I think because the life seems to be in our language or in our west dialect a collective term, e.g. like water.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2009, 02:36:27 PM by John_86 »
The Rights of Assyrians -UN Declaration
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDtB12aA8I

The existence of the Assyrian Nation & Nationality is a fact
http://www.assyrianvoice.net/forum/index.php?topic=36862.0

̈I´m not interested in helping our ppl because I´m nationalistic, I´m interested because our ppl NEED help!

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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #172 on: June 10, 2009, 06:10:06 PM »
Catholic Assyrians also say "Eka Esh-it?"
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #173 on: June 14, 2009, 07:53:02 AM »
Sadly the most say Ayko ko-´aysh-at and Ayko ko-w-at if they like to ask where somebody lives (yet).
But the righ way to say is Ayko ko-hay-at.
Because: life = haye or hayutho
But we use it mostly in our common speech if we say it in plural (haye).
I think because the life seems to be in our language or in our west dialect a collective term, e.g. like water.

Why do you say "Tihe" then?
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Re: East meets West …..
« Reply #174 on: June 19, 2009, 07:00:26 AM »
Why do you say "Tihe" then?

Tihe comes from Nihe. And I think that word also means live. Somebody else maybe can explain it better.
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Sub templates: 12: init, html_above, adsheaders_above, body_above, adsindex_above, simtopics_above, main, simtopics_below, adsindex_below, body_below, adsheaders_below, html_below.
Language files: 8: index+Modifications.english (default), index+Modifications.english-utf8 (default), markItUp.english (default), markItUp.english-utf8 (default), SimTopics.english (default), SimTopics.english-utf8 (default), Ads.english (default), Ads.english-utf8 (default).
Style sheets: 0: .
Files included: 28 - 912KB. (show)
Queries used: 24.

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