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Anyone here knows how to say these words in Ashurian?

Relationship?  Sure?  Confidence?  Bet?  Normal?  Outside?  Dessert?  Million? 


I have no clue for the 1st one, but if I had to guess, I would say Zawaguta?.

For the 2nd one,  we use Khatirjam, but this sounds too Persian for me, and Akeet is Arabic.

The 3rd, no clue.

The 4rth, I've heard March, but this doesn't sound Ashurian.

The 5th, I hear people using Adee a lot, but maybe that's Arabic?.

The 6th, we usually say Qam Tarra, but we also use Waddar, which sounds kinda Arabic.  I know in Arabic though they say Barra, which sounds Ashurian :P

The 7th, We use Birza, but I hear Barriya a lot.  Which seems more logical?

The last, no clue, but can we say something like: "Alpalpeh" or "Alpa Alpeh"?  I mean we'd say Itchimma Alpeh for 900,000, so after Itchima (900) comes Alpa (1000), so "Alpa-Alpeh" kinda makes sense to me, and the shorter version would be "Alpalpeh".

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P.S.  How do we say Excuse me?


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I would use 'Pakhalta' for excuse me. 'Excuse me' is a phrase and wouldn't make sense if translated literally, imo.

'Akeed' and 'adee' (3adee) do come from Arabic.

Some Assyrians also use 'barrayeh' (same in Arabic, but not sure if it is an Arabic word) to say 'qam tarra'.

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Relationship - Yasoora

Sure - please use in context.  Like, "To be sure"?  or, "Sure, I can do that."

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Desert is Barriya. Birza just means dryness.
 
I use "makhleta" for "excuse me," but I hear people use "pakhalta" just as much.
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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Millio
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2009, 11:57:06 PM »
Well I know about "pakhalta" and "makhleta", but the 1st means forgiveness and the 2nd means to make something sweet, not exactly what I'm looking for but thanks for trying.

Regarding the word "Sure", I'm looking to say:  "Are you Sure?"  or "For sure!"

Regarding the word "Relationship", I know we can use "Yousoora", but can that also mean a love relationship between a Man and a Woman?  Would I be making sense if I said:  "Dun Gu/Ewin Gu Yousoora min daya Brata"?  Or would I have to specify it more like:  "Dun Gu Yousoora D' khoubba min daya Brata"?

For "Normal",  Can we use kyanaya (Natural)?

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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Million?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 11:55:32 AM »
I konw you certain ask for these words in the east dialect, but if you want here are some of them in the west dialect:

Relationship - asirutho
(to be) sure/certain - mHarqoyo
Confidence - tkholo
to bet - shr-at (imperative form)
Normal - m´aydo
Outside - larual
this adjective doesn´t end with an o but it´s from our language, we also say for
internal/inside - lauGel,
up/above - lal´el (or also ´eloyo),
down/under - laltaH (or also taHtoyo)
« Last Edit: September 01, 2009, 11:58:03 AM by John_86 »
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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Million?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 01:28:35 PM »
John, a few of those words are the same in Arabic too.
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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Million?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 04:37:55 PM »
John, a few of those words are the same in Arabic too.

which words of them, and how are they written in Arabic (in the Latin font) ?
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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Million?
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 01:23:43 AM »
I konw you certain ask for these words in the east dialect, but if you want here are some of them in the west dialect:

(to be) sure/certain - mHarqoyo
Confidence - tkholo
to bet - shr-at (imperative form)
Normal - m´aydo 
Outside - larual
this adjective doesn´t end with an o but it´s from our language, we also say for
internal/inside - lauGel,
up/above - lal´el (or also ´eloyo),
down/under - laltaH (or also taHtoyo)

Normal-  3adee (3 being pronounced as ain) عادي (Arb) 
Up/above- 3alee  عاليا(Arb)
Down/under- Taht تحت (Arb)

Those words jumped at me.  It is probably likely that some of these words were borrowed by the Arabic language.
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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Million?
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 01:44:59 PM »
Normal-  3adee (3 being pronounced as ain) عادي (Arb) 
Up/above- 3alee  عاليا(Arb)
Down/under- Taht تحت (Arb)

Those words jumped at me.  It is probably likely that some of these words were borrowed by the Arabic language.

It´s also possible that the Arabic language borrowed them from our language.
We know that Arabic is build by the help of our language. There are many many words in Arabic which have Assyrian roots.
E.g. Alaha ~ Alah, Hubo ~ Hub, Shlomo ~ Shalom (Hebrew) ~ Salam, etc. Not to mention the Arabic numbers. Once an Arab counted from one till ten, I understood everything.

I think it´s more possible that these words are Assyrian because of this and because of the o-rule for adjectives and nouns.
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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Millio
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 01:53:36 PM »
I konw you certain ask for these words in the east dialect, but if you want here are some of them in the west dialect:

Relationship - asirutho
(to be) sure/certain - mHarqoyo
Confidence - tkholo
to bet - shr-at (imperative form)
Normal - m´aydo
Outside - larual
this adjective doesn´t end with an o but it´s from our language, we also say for
internal/inside - lauGel,
up/above - lal´el (or also ´eloyo),
down/under - laltaH (or also taHtoyo)

Thanks John,  asirutho is the same as our Yousoora and I guess this word has the same meaning as in the Arabic "Elaqa".  In your dialect, can you say asirutho to mean "Love Relationship"?  

So you say "mHarqoyo" for certainty?  That's interesting.  I guess our version would be mHarqaya?  I must look this one up.

Tkholo for confidence should be Tkhala.  Gotta look this up too.

Shr-at kinda sounds like Shar-At, which means Law in our language.  Not sure which is the real Ashurian one for law, Shar-at or Qanoun.

LaRual reminds me of the word "Rural" which means "Country side" :)

LauGel seems close to ours: LaGawa-Gawaita

Above is similar to ours, we pronounce them "IL-LIL" or "OUL-LUL", and for highness we say ILAYA-ALAYA

Below/Under is Iltakh & Khouta


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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Millio
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2009, 04:13:30 PM »
Thanks John,  asirutho is the same as our Yousoora and I guess this word has the same meaning as in the Arabic "Elaqa".  In your dialect, can you say asirutho to mean "Love Relationship"? 

Your´re welcome, ahuni!
This means asirutho d-Hubo

So you say "mHarqoyo" for certainty?  That's interesting.  I guess our version would be mHarqaya?  I must look this one up.

Tkholo for confidence should be Tkhala.  Gotta look this up too.

Yes, I found these words if I look for them in my dictionary. But I found other translations too for these meanings.

Shr-at kinda sounds like Shar-At, which means Law in our language.  Not sure which is the real Ashurian one for law, Shar-at or Qanoun.

I bet - ko-msharat-no
You bet - ko-mshart-at
he bets - ko-mshar-et
she bets - ko-mshar-to

Shar-At means Law in our language, are you sure? It´s an noun in singular and it doesn´t end with an a.
We use for Law nomuzo and qonuno.

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Re: Relationship? Sure? Confidence? Bet? Normal? Outside? Dessert? Millio
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2009, 04:51:14 PM »
Your´re welcome, ahuni!
This means asirutho d-Hubo

Yes, I found these words if I look for them in my dictionary. But I found other translations too for these meanings.

I bet - ko-msharat-no
You bet - ko-mshart-at
he bets - ko-mshar-et
she bets - ko-mshar-to

Shar-At means Law in our language, are you sure? It´s an noun in singular and it doesn´t end with an a.
We use for Law nomuzo and qonuno.

shlome


Well I've heard of the word Namuz, and we say that without the A in the end.  Shar-At is in Oraham's Dictionary, published in 1925, and the word for Lawyer is "Shar-At-Kar".  I know in Arabic it's Muhami.  Oraham does note that not all the words in his dictionary are of Ashurian origin, but have become used regardless in everyday speech.  The problem is, he doesn't specify which words are questionable.

I don't doubt Shar-At for one reason:  It's a word that's similar to Sharru, the ancient Ashurian/Akkadian/Babylonian word for King, and who made the laws back then?, kings of course, so Shar-At can simply be borrowed from Sharru.  That's my theory, but it doesn't mean we didn't have another word for law.
Although most Ashurian words end with A (Eastern D.), there can be some exceptions.  They dropped the A from Ashurian to make it Surian, then Syrian, so it's not impossible or totally far fetched that our forefathers could have sometimes drop the A elsewhere in Ashurian words/speech.  I'm just saying it's not impossible to have Ashurian words without the A in the end, if they're nouns.

Actually, if you research it, the A is a new element in Ashurian.  The A was designed to replace the U, and sometimes even the U wasn't always present.  Examples of ancient Ashurian words with no vowel endings:
Ilum (Lord), Karum (Market/Port City), Sharrum (King) Qadishum (Holy Man/Saint), Lishanum (Language).  The M was used a lot by the Ashurians, but was dropped in the Akkadian Dialect, then dropped all together, so the dropping of end letters is nothing new, and very much practiced in ancient times.   

 
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